Tales of te rudest or worst player you've played with.

We all have at least one story of a player that really annoyed us. I'd like to hear those stories. Plz no IGNs. Just a story and please, no "nooby build" bashing either.

For me, it was a nasty little monk. We were in the FoW and this monk decided he didn't like the group leader. He claimed the leader was a bossy loud mouth and didn't know what he was doing. Obviously it was the monk that didn't know as our leader was going a fine job leading the team. But this monk wouldn't let it go, anything and everything that the leader did that the monk deemed "wrong" was a five minute rant. He just wouldn't stop complaining. Then he said that we all better do what he wants or he will aggro kill us all. People started leaving and he still kept going. In the end, he did aggro kill us but he ran and stayed alive. When I left, we was still ranting to the few people left. It may not sound like much, but it was my single most annoying moment in the game so far.

Argh, too many stories to even remember! But a good one would have to in the final phrop mission. I got a gold drop, and this kid kept hitting up chat: "Can i have it? can i haves it?" it was a pretty crappy gold, too. Total merch food. I dunno why it bugged me, it just did.

I also remember bad FoW pugs. Boyo; starting to the right instead of clearing left first. Some times indeed clearing left, and also then going after the shadow rangers, and abyysals behind the castle thing there. Then rastigin, obviously, runs up to the middle and dies a very fiery death. *sigh* i love silly people. :P

Many moons ago when I was just starting out in FOW I was with a group and we were doing fine.

Then we came to a death chest and many of us got wiped but unlucky me, I managed to actually open a chest and a gold chaos axe popped out.

Since I was new to FOW this was one of the first chaos axes I had drop for me and I was really excited (but currently dead).

Guess what - the sole survior (because he didn't fight) waited the 10mins without rezzing anyone for the drop to become unclaimed and then stole it.

Just mean....

I did pve.
I did pvp.
I bought Prophecies.
I bought Factions.
I bought Nightfall.
I entered RA.
I entered HA.
Im going to buy EotN.

Going to Doa 1 minute
Making a group for city 1hr
Getting builds set up- 1/30 hrs
Goingin-1 minute
Getting half way done-1hr
Having a tank say wtf are the minions you necro noob and rag quitting-priceless

These topics never lead to anything good, but I'll play anyway for venting purposes.

The first:
I remember way back in beta, my friend got in as well. We were just standing in town trying out emotes, checking options, all that newbie stuff. We figured we should start trying to kill stuff, and some guy wanted to join our team so hey why not. Exactly 2 seconds after he joined, he exits the zone. We go "hey, give us a sec, we weren't ready" and zone back. This is where he just flies off the wall and goes completely bonkers about how "noobs like us ruin it for people like him" and how we need to "get a life". Naturally I just booted him out, and he promptly took it to pm's how I would "regret" kicking him and so on. Fun stuff.

The worst:
Probably when another friend of mine had just gotten the game, and we were doing the second or third seared ascalon mission. We were having some problems finishing it, so we figured we could try joining a couple other players. Upon merging teams, one of the other guys asked her if she had this certain monk skill (healing breeze I think, can't remember), and she said no. Instead of asking us to leave, apparently he thought it would be a better idea to act like the biggest possible jackass concievable so that we would leave ourselves. Some of the words used were "b**ch", "noob f**ker", and "c***sucker". It's easier than hitting the kick button I guess. Said friend hasn't played since.
She was Me/E, by the way.

The most frequent:
People who call me a "toucher" (with additional random deragatory terms) because I use wearying strike/plague touch.
People who call me a "bonder" because I use essence bond on my mystic twister/mystic healing dervish.
People with a "You only won because.." mentality. Such as "runner", "lucky interrupts", "lol it took 2 of you to kill me". Yeah, it's much cleverer to stand still on my ranger when I've crippled a warrior. I'm awfully sorry for being so lucky with interrupting your half-hour cast elite. I forgot this was a 1v1 game.

Not so much played with but I came across a complete jackass when I was trying to sell a Crystalline sword, he was telling me it's not worth more than 10k and his "Sskai's Sword" is worth more because of the stats (My Crystalline was 14^50 I believe). He obviously didn't buy it, but then proceeded to call me a scammer in local chat...Then eventually when I did sell it, I got the buyer to PM him and tell him to shut up etc.

Since then the buyer and myself had to block him because he kept annoying us for days. Incredible how some people get their jolly's off of winding people up over the internet, he must have slept so well that night...

Utter noobs that don't understand the concept or rarities etc. annoy me A LOT.

Back in the day when I used to do 5man Fow runs. I decided to drag my gf with me and we got healer, nuker and tank. The tank had absolutely no idea what to do, (first time in FoW, so he definitely never done the 5man thing, just ascended etc etc) but that was okay, cause we gave him some builds and let him pick whichever he was most comfortable with. When we got in we explain what he was supposed to do and he followed perfectly. We cleared a good bit with no deaths until it was time for some of us to go. We (me and gf) put the tank and healer on friends list. My faith in the pug was restored a little bit.

Get a pm the next day saying they want to go again so me and my gf get and guildie to fill in as nuker. This time, the second we load in the tank decides he's the absolute pro at doing this. I point out to him that they rest of us have been doing FoW for at least a year and a half, so we know how it goes. From the time we load in to getting armor at the Forge he constantly pinged the compass, kept telling people when they should heal, nuke or curse, running around and double sometimes triple aggroing, and calling for BR. (I'm not even sure about that last one cause he only had maybe two energy skills, but w/e).
The healer whispers me and asks what happened. He was such a good guy yesterday. My guildie is just this side of cursing him out and my gf is trying to get him to stop. I wait until the next time he decides to run off when we say stop and drop his bonds. Now he's spamming rez rez rez rez rez over and over while we clear the rest of the groups, sell our stuff, have some idle chat and then leave.

I informed him that he was coming off our friends list in onto ignore. Haven't seen him since.

When I run my invinci assassin build, and people complain because they can't kill me.

Or getting called a runner when I have the entire opposite team in AB chasing me...

Rudest, I don't know.

One thing that aggravates me to hell though is the people in AB. They are alone. They see a bunch of red dots. They charge these red dots. They die in 0.564 seconds. They spam in all chat "Naab luxons takes 8 of you to kill me, all you ever do is mob noobs"

Grouped with a pug (I know, I was asking for it) to do The Eternal Grove mission. The group consisted of a ranger, ele, and myself (channel rit), and then a warrior requested to join so we add him. I added a monk hero, which the warrior asks me to ping the build. I do and he proceeds to tear it apart calling me noob and whatnot. Told him I really didn't care what he thought, and we enter the mission.

As soon as we start he starts ordering us around, saying he'd gotten masters on every mission with heroes/henchies so we better do what he says. He decides to take the right side with his monk and a couple of other heros. The ranger, ele, my monk, and I take the left side. We kill a few groups pretty quickly, and we see that the warrior is starting to get overwhelmed so we rush over to help. He yells at us to get back to our side unless he tells us to come over. His side wiped about 4 times so I tell him "good job over there." He spent the rest of the mission cussing me out and saying I was going to die too because I was worthless. Ironically, I was the only one who didn't die, and I ended up rezing the entire team (except for the warrior) so we could complete the mission.

LOL, I like the FOW Tank story. I suspect you ran into 2 brothers sharing an account. It sounds like 2 different people playing.

Hmmm, so many stories, so little time. Here's a few....

Wanted to do one of the beginner quests in Ascalon. (The one where you have to find 2 deserters/looters and bring them to justice.) It's an easy quest, but boring so it's always more fun to team up with others. I saw a Level 8 Warrior advertising to do random quests in the area, so I joined up. We grabbed a Level 6 Ele and a hench monk and left. As soon as we warped out, the Ele stripped off all her armor and said "Quests are boring, lets just have sex instead". We had a good laugh before warping back in, dumping her off and restarting.

I was in RA, playing a Warrior/Ele. I had the misfortune of getting matched with 3 Assassins. 3 very bad Assassins. They died almost immediately. I used my rez sig to rez 1 of them and he died again. One of the sins then decided it was time to start cussing me out since I was the only one left alive.
"REZ ME!!!!"
"REZ!!"
"REZ, YOU STUPID %#&$% a**HOLE!!!!!"
"ARE YOU A &*#$ MORON?! REZ!!!! "
"WE'RE LOSING CUZ UR TOO STUPID TO REZ!"

I would have explained that rez signets only have 1 use, but I dont' think they had the intellectual capacity to understand that. Then of course once we got back to the beach, he proceeds to spam all chat with "LEAVE IF RAVEN IS ON YOUR TEAM, HE'S A TOTAL %^#$$ MORON!!!!!"

Some people just need to take out their frustations by throwing their PCs out the window and stomping on them. At least then we won't have to see them ingame for awhile.

Ahh...The joys of the later Prophecies missions and all the drama associated with the incredibly complicated concept of Infused Armour vs Mursaat.

So many times I've ended up in an Ice Caves of Sorrow group with that W/Mo who doesn't quite appreciate the concept of Infusion (despite our attempts to explain it to him) and proceeds to Leeroy the nearest mob of Mursaat he can find. Cue inevitable wipe, and predictable ensuing drama.

The worst though is when you manage to somehow end up in a Ring of Fire mission with a bunch of un-infused players. Happens more often than not in my experience.

Good times...

Spend some time in AB and RA. If you still have any faith in humanity, you must have had your chat channels turned off.

Lmao that happened to be once. I tried to explain to him what "Spiteful Spirit" does and he said I was a noob necro and I should learn the game... Now, I don't remember Jade Warriors having exploitable corpses.

OMG, do I have a few horror stories from DoA.

Was in a PUG on TS doing the foundry during an afternoon I had off from work. As soon as I logged on to TS, I realized that I had played with this person before. He's a foul mouthed, know it all, I'm too leet for any of you 30 something from New York City. His entire guild is filled with teenagers that worship him like he's some sort of GW GOD. While his groups do tend to have better than average players in it, the verbal abuse that this guy serves out makes for a very miserable experience. As soon as a person makes a mistake... oh boy, forget about it. He goes off on you calling you a f**king a**hole, idiot noob and screaming at the top of his lungs. Every other word out of his mouth is MF, MF, MF. He tells you that you're on his very long list of the players that he will never party with again, blah, blah, blah. Without a doubt this guy has to be the #1 scumbag that I've ever played with.

Story #2:

We're 7/8 looking for a tank to do the Citadel. Now, most of us in the group have done several missions with each other in DoA before, so we're familiar and comfortable with each other. One guys says, I have a tank coming. Since we've been waiting for over an hour to do this mission, we're like great. Well, he logs onto TS and proceeds to introduce himself saying that many of you probably heard of him before because he's one of the most leet players in the game. He says that he can get us through this with no problems if we just listen to him and follow his directions. I'm like uh oh, another GW GOD. But, since we've been waiting all of this time I figure it cant hurt to try.

Well, he asks for everyone to ping their bars. He then proceeds to change the skills on everyone's bar. I was the BiP, so when he gets to my bar, he says ... oh no, no, no. ABSOLUTELY NO RANGER SPIRITS. Get rid of the ranger spirits and the ranger secondary or I'm out. He says if you guys wanna be leet, then you don't need gimmicks like ranger spirits on a necro. So, as he is telling me what skills he wants me to bring, we hear a baby crying in the background. We ask, who's baby and he says it's his. Next thing we hear is him screaming for his wife to get the baby cuz it's crying and he's trying to do DoA and cant concentrate with the baby crying. At that point I said to myself.. "now I"ve seen everything". Here's a guy thinks GW is more important than taking care of his newborn baby.

Anyhow, long story short... we finally change all of our skills around to accommodate Mr. Leet and we wind up wiping 20 minutes into the mission cuz he cant hold aggro.

Touche'!

Wow, the baby thing, It's just irritating to hear about parents like that.

Guildies and me we're farming LB points during the double pts weekend a while back. Anyway, we have one spot open and a necro asks to join. As soon as we enter he saccs himself to death, tells us he is a "pro 1hp BiP". No problem until we aggro the first group... He immediately starts cussing at the monks and the eles.. "f****** stay close to me if you want energy!!!"

So, we clear 3/4 of the area with him cussing at us at every single battle. Eventually the warrior accidentally over aggroes and the BiP dies. Wow... he starts calling us n00bs, etc etc. After maybe 2-3 mins of listening to him whine, (he's still dead) we starts saying how he is so pro because he has won in Hoh...
Anyway, he absolutely wants us to rez him so the monks start using rebirth, which instantly kills him. Once again he starts ranting so we leave.

One day later he is pm'ing us telling us how he joined another group that was 100x more pro than us. lol

Anyway, he was just the biggest jack*** I have ever played with.

I remember a little incident that happened about 2 days after Nightfall came out...

I was sitting in Iron Mines of Moladune, waiting politely for a runner to take my dervish to Marhan's Grotto. People were surprised to see a dervish in such a remote place, some acting with awe and others giving me the usual "hey u have no lyfe" comments. After a few minutes of waiting, a runner comes up with a run and I hop aboard.

In the team, there was this warrior who was downright hostile. He started off with a inquisitive "what class r u???!!!!" I answered, and I immediately get this in reply, "omfg hacker." I asked why, and he said that no NF character is supposed to be this far out in Prophecies or something, citing the fact that he had spent several weeks getting to iron mines the "long way." Another person chimes in and says that it isn't all that hard to get this far into prophecies and the said warrior shuts up.

We warp outside, and they take notice of my Pre-Order scythe. Again, people were intrigued and asked questions, then the hostile warrior chimes in again. "omfg I new u r hacker." Again, I ask why and he intelligently states, "u got out this far in 2 days and u got a godly weapon too thats proof ur a hacker." Everyone else in the team was laughing at this stupidity, but it really seemed like he was serious.

We warp into Ice Floe and all of a sudden this guy starts running off in his own direction. "im mapping!" he screams as he's bombarded with Mursaat curses and melted away in a gorey display of uninfused glory. Needless to say, he lay there cursing at us and he left the map. My team and I were stunned. Shortly after arriving in Grotto and paying for the run, I get a whisper saying that I've been reported for hacking and that he has proof of it all.

What a fun day that was. Unfortunately, I was the second dervish to arrive at Grotto. Flow Drive's dervish, Unne, beat me to it by about 3 and a half hours by going through the ascension process.

lol Melajo.. that reminds me of an RA game I was on once..

All members of both teams we're dead except a ranger and me (ele)

Anyway, after I kill him he pm's me.. "what energy hack we're you using?"
I answer "dual attunement"... shortly after he pm's me again saying he reported me and that he had a screenshot.

As expected, nothing ever happened.

Getting kicked for telling the group to get a monk.

He thought a N/mo was good enough for a mission.*cough-.-

I'm going to vote for the monk who tried to lifebond Zen Daijun hardmode. Our ebay friend here with his fow armor, with his crystaline sword and torment shield didn't understand that OoA was about to make him it's jail-cell best friend a number of times.

Oh, hey, Order of Apostasy dropped your bonds again? Go figure. He called us noobs for telling him to run something other than lifebond, LAWL.

We dropped him and herohenched the mission in 13 minutes :P

Ah, heroes and hench... You may make the game silent but you sure as hell get the job done first time.

There was a thread like this a while back.

Hmmm the worst player I've seen? Gee, just too many. This one's gotta be the best I can remember so far:

I started a Rit a few days ago. Got up to Zen Daijun. We got a party consisting of something like 2 sins a Rt (me) and ele + monk hench + others. So we started the mission. Half way into the mission, I noticed a sin has his health dropped steadily fast, but not been healed. I was stunned, as AI usually have more reflexes than human players in responding to heal and interrupts. Taking a look on the mini map: OHHH that's why... the sin is 1 aggro bubble away from the main group, hitting a mob of 4-5 afflicted.

No doubt he died, and rage quitted (without saying anything, so I can only assume he's from a different language group).

Some days later, my rit is doing unwelcomed guest. We got a 20 Necro incredibly. But a similiar level Ele keep on dying, despite 2 level 18 hero monks and me, who's running a pseudo communing / resto build. He yelled WHY DO I KEEP ON DYING. I ran up a little to take a look what was going on: he charges infront of everyone and casts spells. No wonder he's the first to be aggroed.

The last incidence is not entirely their fault. But I will include it in here any way: we were doing Vizunah Sq (Local). We met up with Menhloh. Got to the broken temple to defend the first wave of afflicted. Suddenly the warr starts to die. Then he died. Then the sin start to die. the the sin died. I was perplexed. The shelder and union spirit didn't even die. How did they die? Then the monk start to die. I look in mini map, the monk was running away from a mob of 10 afflicted from the stairs. Apparently, the warr and sin ran off to fight afflicted 1 aggro bubble away, when most afflicted were neutralised around the temple, not knowing more will spawn. The monk ran after them, trying to rez them ...

No doubt we wiped =/

PRetty much anyone Ive played with who acted like a dumbass and tried to justify their stupidity with "Im rank 5 n00b!" or "Ive been playing since beta n00b"

Its sad when people dont realize that the fact they have experience and still suck is worse then if they had no experience at all.

I've done THK over 100 times, NM &HM (mad I know, but I like it ) so I reckon I've seen just about every ridiculous behaviour out there. For non-mission savvy PuGs, I try to instill a few simple rules e.g. monk or other backline char talks to king at start, don't over aggro, take bonus and camp king etc.

Lost count of the number of times the (generally) uninfused W/Mo goes Leeeerooooy.....and dies

I would never Pug A wammo, Ever. Koss is a thousand times better.

Koss Vs Wammo:

Me: "Get back here !"
Koss: *unclick flag, set to flee* Returns immediatly.
Wammo: Ur A n00b I konw wut im doing ive been plying since beta n00b lol n00*dies*.

Me: "Why the hell are you using a sword instead of a hammer and trying to use hammer skills ?"
Koss: *would never happen*
Wammo: SO WUT ! *Has sword, axe, and hammer skills on his bar equipped* DPS = 5.

Me: "Aggro that"
Koss: Insta-reply.
Wammo: Aggros everything in sight except what the group wanted to aggro, then bring them back to the group so all the aggrod monsters can now re-aggro...the monk. His excuse ? They shattered mending.

"hi"
"EAT SHIT AND DIE FAG"
""

AB, Ancestral Lands... I'm on the luxon side, so we have to fight rather hard to win. This guy, standing still, doing nothing except yelling in 'all chat': Pls don't kill me Kurzick, I'll open the gates for you if you don't hurt me... etc etc

He kept going on about that the whole battle, very annoying

The worst player I have ever been with was actually a Monk. We were doing the Gate of Madness, which I had done many times before and was trying to help a friend through, and this monk would just not listen to anything I would tell him, and would continually run off in opposite directions from the rest of the group, bringing unnecessary enemies on us. He was actually weilding a sword and a shield and trying to fight them off. I did eventually tell him he's not a tank and should just hang back and keep everyone cured. To say the least, we never managed to beat the boss at the end. I actually recieved PM's from the rest of the group asking "who is this guy?"

Also, one time when I was attempting to do the Ring of Fire, we were going to storm in through the main entrance, when I tell this whammo on our team to slow down and wait for the two monks with us to regain their energy. He responds with "I'm monk, I cure myself" and then continues to charge in, followed quickly by "rez plz".

I have nothing against new players, and I don't mind helping them understand how to play better, but when they think they're the best there ever was, and refuse to do anything others say, it causes a serious problem.

Let's talk about our own 'rude/worse' behaviour, since that is always better than complaining about others.

I recently 'ragequit' when my guild team failed big time at THK HM (I already have the mission, was helping several others to get it).
In mission I was already typing ' /cry' in team chat several times because things were going bad from the start.
When we got back after a whipe at THK outpost I just typed ' /ragequit' and shut down my guildwars.
Got back online later and said sorry 'bout that

Guess I'm not that rude (if you can even consider it rude) most of the time, but I know I won't play any missions with others (except a few guildies) after such an event.
When I do, I'd probably be upset about every person over-extending or taking wrong aggro and rage about it the whole mission.
That's no fun for me and also not for others.

Can't remember any 'worsed' play, but that can also be because I don't even know I'm bad
Probably a lot of people in the last HA event would have something to comment on my LoD/Infuse monk.
From Infusing the wrong person to being in the wrong spot.

Things I do remember is not paying attention and Ctrl + cast: "I am using Backfire on <PvE warrior>" as mesmer. .... Several times in the same mission.
Or being in the wrong spot where you just know enemies will spawn.

I once played with this unsavoury Demonophobic Demon character, and he was terrible! He'd find some way to (badly) insult your race, religion or character!

He'd also run straight into huge groups and manage to get himself totally owned by frenzy, and yell at the group for not moving fast enough! He also yelled ALL THE TIME.

OH! That reminds me. FRENZY MONK! Yes, that's right. A frenzy monk. With mending. I wanted to grab him by his ankles and swing him down the stairs. Thankfully, it was only the Ascalon missions and my elementalist, who was helping a friend at the time, could solo the area and one hit kill. Still, stupidity just keeps coming.

And just today. A paragon agreed to run Zen Daijun for newbies for free. I decided to hitch a ride. A warrior (always seems to be warrior related with me) decided he wanted to help. Fine. That's nice of him. However, his methods were so painful to watch and ESPECIALLY when I'm going for Survivor. He ran ahead, lured 6 afflicted back to an AFK assassin and myself. Thankfully I knew things would go wrong so set up spirits to bombard any one who dared to approach. The afflicted eventually died. Safe? Not quite. He THEN decided to run around and swim in miasma and draw it back to US! If I wasn't so quick witted, that would have went horribly.

Umm, MONKS. Yes.

Everytime I play PvE with PUG-monks,
they always think they're the best.
Ragequit, dont heal and stupid stuff like that.

~Prof.

I had a good one the other night. I was doing Minister Cho's Estate HM. I was an Ele and we had another Ele, a Warrior and a hench monk. The other ele was dying at almost every mob. About halfway thru the mission I asked him what Elite was on his bar.

His answer? "Flare!"

Me: Huh? "Flare isn't an elite!!"
Ele: "So! it's the bestest most awesome Ele skill ever!!! It's better than most elites"
Warrior: "Yeah, he's right. Flare rocks!!"
Me: "Actually it's not that good."

I lost that argument. The Ele and Warrior decided they both knew better than the poor little noob ele who refused to add Flare to her bar (me). I quickly found a different pug.

When I head a PuG I often get, not natsy, but surprised comments from most people when I put on Dunkoro instead of a human monk, even if there is one spamming "Monk LFG" in local. I explain my reasoning (being that human monks tend to leave missions half way through) to the rest of the group and they often agree and have no problem with me using a hero monk.

Monks seem to be clinging desperately to the days when they were the only healers and they could demand whatever they wanted in PuGs since they were "required"...it annoys me a great deal.

The worst players in Guild Wars, however, are those who appear to have been referred to time and time again in this thread. It is those people who have a terrible build but think it's "leet"...but refuse to take any advice on how to make it better. I've lost count of the number of fire eles I've grouped with who think no attunements, glyphs or elite skills are the way forwards and refuse to believe otherwise. I like to make a point of commenting when they spam "My energy is 4 of 102" in missions.

I actually remember a long time ago when monks would charge people gold. Such as "Monk LFG only 500g". That was also when nobody would ever accept a Necro too.

One time... At band camp.

Just kidding.

To the point; I once tried to complete Jennur's horde with two arrogant nihilistic monks; same guild, one with Fissure armour, and she thought she was the shit.

Of course; when I went to lure the enemies with my flatbow she accuses me of aggro via heroes... even though they are 100+ feet away on passive. Furthermore she runs right off with her buddy, leaving the still living party (the other 6 of us) alone to fight a mob and a demon. She then found herself in the middle of a number of mobs (i was dead at this time; with my camera tracking her character) and promptly dies. At this point she flys right off the hook at the rest of the party - at least 4 minimaps away, for not offering backup and support.


I hate monks. Sadly they're too important and vital to a team. Some are nice and I've met quite a few, but then you get alot of self-important idiots who think they know everything and have the right to blame left right and centre... because they trained a monk into mid-game or further.

Slightly off-topic:
Well, that's exactly the reason why I only play Monk in teams that are at least part guild teams (I hardly ever play NM anymore, HM most of the time).
I know my performance depends a lot on the total team.
And since many PuGs are not coordinated enough and many times not willing to take advice, I am not really willing to monk them (since that would mean getting blamed).
When I see that a decent PuG is forming, I'm always willing to switch my character for my monk when they need one.

This has nothing to do with leet behaviour, but all with getting things done.
I want to play for fun, not frustration.
In a non-coordinated team, I'm better of playing Mesmer, Ranger or Necro.
I know how to make things easier for the rest of the team.
In a coordinated team, I won't get frustrated as monk and therefore play it when I like to.

Problem with monks is that they do not get criticized, ever, when mission is in progress as people fear they would ragequit (and very bad monk is still better than no monk).

People also dont dare to question their skillbars (healing breeze in hardmode, yeah) in case they would leve team.

But worst thing is that they can do very bad job and still get 'awesome healing' from group.

All this makes them confident, evne if there is no objective reason for it.

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And frankly, hero monk bars are not that good either, 90% I pug and someone brings their hero monk it is like this:
* Mo with no secodnary, not even attemt at bringing energy mamagement.
* Healing Breeze, Remove Hex, Heal Party and Divine Healing is staple on their skillbars.
* Prot sucks, mkkay?

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i knwo that this should not be build-bash-fest, but i think this is worth it: