i can understand anets reasons for wanting to rid their game of bots but why do regular players even care? other then conjecture, there really is no definitive proof that bots either negatively or positively impact the game.
its against the eula, sure, but what about leeching, rage quitting etc? i can almost guarantee that leechers and rage quitters have negatively effected players more then any bot.
BOTS... Who Cares
korcan
Gimme Money Plzkthx
Ebay? That's why people care. Although I'm sick of anet making stupid changes like loot scaling to try and stop bots, and all they do is hurt real players while the bots just adapt.
Bryant Again
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i can understand anets reasons for wanting to rid their game of bots but why do regular players even care? other then conjecture, there really is no definitive proof that bots either negatively or positively impact the game.
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its against the eula, sure, but what about leeching, rage quitting etc? i can almost guarantee that leechers and rage quitters have negatively effected players more then any bot.
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Good point...
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Ebay? That's why people care. Although I'm sick of anet making stupid changes like loot scaling to try and stop bots, and all they do is hurt real players while the bots just adapt.
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Dougal Kronik
I don't buy gold or trade crap with other players so I could care less about bots.
Diddy bow
Part of the reason is a-net tries to fix it and ends up screwing the normal player.
garethporlest18
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I think the biggest reason is that it's not fair, mainly because the botter doesn't have to do anything while the real person has to work harder for his loots, money, etc.
So, why are we going after bots and not these guys? Good point... The only way bots can be stopped is by removing drops completely. Until then, as long as they get even 500gp out of a two-hour run, they will exist. |
They don't go after leechers and such, because it's not against the EULA. But since it can and does ruin others gameplay, I don't see how they figure it's not.
Retribution X
Because Botters can play 150+ hours a week, getting millions of gold, while I can only play, maybe 40 hours a week max, getting a few thousand gold.
That's what pisses me off.
And what makes botting look better and better.
That's what pisses me off.
And what makes botting look better and better.
Iuris
The problem with bots is that they disrupt the economy by creating inflation, which makes the game less enjoyable for everyone.
They create masses of gold. This gold is sold to the end users. The end users end up with more gold than regular players and are thus willing to pay higher prices. Gradually, the prices rise to a level where they are beyond the reach of the players that do not buy gold. Similar applies to solo farming.
That's the reason why Anet combats bots - because inflation cuts those players that do not specifically adapt to it by buying gold or solo farming themselves away from all meaningful trade.
They create masses of gold. This gold is sold to the end users. The end users end up with more gold than regular players and are thus willing to pay higher prices. Gradually, the prices rise to a level where they are beyond the reach of the players that do not buy gold. Similar applies to solo farming.
That's the reason why Anet combats bots - because inflation cuts those players that do not specifically adapt to it by buying gold or solo farming themselves away from all meaningful trade.
prism2525
I had posted an idea but it seems it either got drained or whatever....
I had suggested that the games scans and compares the your movements every X times you enter an area to see if the paths are identical (meaning a bot is being used).
Seemed a realistic test from my point of view and wouldn't hinder ligitimate players.
I had suggested that the games scans and compares the your movements every X times you enter an area to see if the paths are identical (meaning a bot is being used).
Seemed a realistic test from my point of view and wouldn't hinder ligitimate players.
Iuris
The problem with bots is that they disrupt the economy by creating inflation, which makes the game less enjoyable for everyone.
They create masses of gold. This gold is sold to the end users. The end users end up with more gold than regular players and are thus willing to pay higher prices. Gradually, the prices rise to a level where they are beyond the reach of the players that do not buy gold. Similar applies to solo farming.
That's the reason why Anet combats bots - because inflation cuts those players that do not specifically adapt to it by buying gold or solo farming themselves away from all meaningful trade.
They create masses of gold. This gold is sold to the end users. The end users end up with more gold than regular players and are thus willing to pay higher prices. Gradually, the prices rise to a level where they are beyond the reach of the players that do not buy gold. Similar applies to solo farming.
That's the reason why Anet combats bots - because inflation cuts those players that do not specifically adapt to it by buying gold or solo farming themselves away from all meaningful trade.
Miral
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i can understand anets reasons for wanting to rid their game of bots but why do regular players even care? other then conjecture, there really is no definitive proof that bots either negatively or positively impact the game.
its against the eula, sure, but what about leeching, rage quitting etc? i can almost guarantee that leechers and rage quitters have negatively effected players more then any bot. |
Bryant Again
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Because Botters can play 150+ hours a week, getting millions of gold, while I can only play, maybe 40 hours a week max, getting a few thousand gold.
That's what pisses me off. And what makes botting look better and better. |
Gimme Money Plzkthx
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The problem with bots is that they disrupt the economy by creating inflation, which makes the game less enjoyable for everyone.
They create masses of gold. This gold is sold to the end users. The end users end up with more gold than regular players and are thus willing to pay higher prices. Gradually, the prices rise to a level where they are beyond the reach of the players that do not buy gold. Similar applies to solo farming. That's the reason why Anet combats bots - because inflation cuts those players that do not specifically adapt to it by buying gold or solo farming themselves away from all meaningful trade. |
korcan
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The problem with bots is that they disrupt the economy by creating inflation, which makes the game less enjoyable for everyone.
They create masses of gold. This gold is sold to the end users. The end users end up with more gold than regular players and are thus willing to pay higher prices. Gradually, the prices rise to a level where they are beyond the reach of the players that do not buy gold. Similar applies to solo farming. That's the reason why Anet combats bots - because inflation cuts those players that do not specifically adapt to it by buying gold or solo farming themselves away from all meaningful trade. |
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leeching and rage quitting are temporary setbacks. botting causes lasting damage to the community and its economy even long after they are banned.
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Pkest
I agree with the op. This is totally an anet issue. The only time real players (other than the insignificant minority that deal in rare skins) are ever hurt by bots is when anet does something stupid that they think will hurt bots but doesn't and just ends up making the game a lot less fun for real players. Nobody was ever hurt in d2 by people selling items on ebay and anet totally took their take on "intellectual property" from how THEY perceived that with no regard to how players saw that.
FeroxC
Korcan if you want evidence that bots cause inflation you should look at other games with heavy botting e.g. Diablo 2. Diablo 2 the inflation got so high with botters(not just proffesionals but players) gold stopped becoming the currency and people purchased items with incredibly rare runes(comparable with superior vigors). Or had to go farm everything themselves.
There were even public bot games where people would team up with a players bot and follow it to get a share of the loot.
Loot scaling was a multi fronted attack against botters.
It greatly reduces the income from a single botter.
It will be incredibly difficult to write a bot that can work in a team.
Costs the botter more money as they need to buy multiple accounts and maybe multiple computers.
Guildwars is inherently much more difficult to bot due to it being 3D and team based but if they dont keep up the fight against botters it will probably spiral out of control, you should be praising Anet.
There were even public bot games where people would team up with a players bot and follow it to get a share of the loot.
Loot scaling was a multi fronted attack against botters.
It greatly reduces the income from a single botter.
It will be incredibly difficult to write a bot that can work in a team.
Costs the botter more money as they need to buy multiple accounts and maybe multiple computers.
Guildwars is inherently much more difficult to bot due to it being 3D and team based but if they dont keep up the fight against botters it will probably spiral out of control, you should be praising Anet.
Pkest
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Loot scaling was a multi fronted attack against botters.
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Racthoh
If wealth actually gave a player an advantage over others, I could see the point in pouring resources into stopping the bots. But really what is more important:
1) Gameplay issues
2) Balance issues
3) Players eBaying to make their virtual barbie pretty
1) Gameplay issues
2) Balance issues
3) Players eBaying to make their virtual barbie pretty
Dr Strangelove
Ebay gold botters are a problem. They cause minor inflation for average players in the extreme long run. Other than that, not too much. I don't remotely understand why people get so worked up about them and try to play video game vigilante over them. On a day to day basis, they don't effect you, even a little bit. Go play the game and stop trying to play hall monitor.
Prowlinger
1. Bots Cause Severe Server Lag.
2. Bots Cause Depreciation In The Economy.
3. Bots Are Considered Cheating And Unfair To Honest Players.
4. Bots Clutter Up Towns And Make Visiting Them Frustrating.
5. Bots Ruin Moral For The Length Of Gameplay.
2. Bots Cause Depreciation In The Economy.
3. Bots Are Considered Cheating And Unfair To Honest Players.
4. Bots Clutter Up Towns And Make Visiting Them Frustrating.
5. Bots Ruin Moral For The Length Of Gameplay.
Lafayette
Anet has to be seen to do something and therefore not implicitly condoning activities that do not comply with the EULA.
Leeching and rage-quitting are more annoying, for me personally at least, but are apparently harder to deal with.
I never noticed any lag while in Bergen or Elona or Altrumm etc. when scores of bots were there. And, uh, my moral (morale?) has never been ruined by bots. 
Leeching and rage-quitting are more annoying, for me personally at least, but are apparently harder to deal with.
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Mordakai
Easy solution: Anet sells Gold directly (or items) and Bots will diminish (they'll never go away completely).
aaje vhanli
aNet's war against bots is just like America's war against drugs (or terror). America wastes money trying to get rid of drugs (or "terrorists") instead of investing that time and effort in occupational opportunities, education and balancing our economy for those who go without. In allusion to the war on terror, the country is trying to police something that is uncontrollable instead of concerning themselves with helping their own people.
The only problem that I see with bots is that aNet finds battling bots more important than balancing PvE for players. aNet claims that bot activity makes casual players have to farm to make gold every casual player whom I know had no problem making honest gold but, after loot-scaling, have to resort to farming to make gold. Isn't this contradictory? In fact, I have also seen MORE bots since loot-scaling than prior to; doesn't that say something as well?
I would like to see aNet's "resources" of such information; presuming they have any.
I agree with everyone with similar opinions: aNet's attack against bots "loot-scaling" has hurt casual players more than bots. Sure, like the bots, I have learned to adapt; but I have to admit that I found the game more enjoyable before all the attention was focused on bots.
The only problem that I see with bots is that aNet finds battling bots more important than balancing PvE for players. aNet claims that bot activity makes casual players have to farm to make gold every casual player whom I know had no problem making honest gold but, after loot-scaling, have to resort to farming to make gold. Isn't this contradictory? In fact, I have also seen MORE bots since loot-scaling than prior to; doesn't that say something as well?
I would like to see aNet's "resources" of such information; presuming they have any.
I agree with everyone with similar opinions: aNet's attack against bots "loot-scaling" has hurt casual players more than bots. Sure, like the bots, I have learned to adapt; but I have to admit that I found the game more enjoyable before all the attention was focused on bots.
Bryant Again
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Easy solution: Anet sells Gold directly (or items) and Bots will diminish (they'll never go away completely).
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Kinn
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Easy solution: Anet sells Gold directly (or items) and Bots will diminish (they'll never go away completely).
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Age
I said it before and will again put more gold in the game so that players will make 100K in 2 weeks or a month and won't need to buy gold.Those botters will find their business going down this is the same as if you made all contraband drug legal.Law Enforcement Agencies are losing the War on Drugs why because it is easy to get it in a Country or home grow it.The only way to do this is to stop trade indefinitely but they can't do that as they need overseas goods.
This doesn't stop Anet from stopping trading all they have to do is remove the trade window where you put your gold and just give things away or barter for it.Yeap who cares about bots I don't.
This doesn't stop Anet from stopping trading all they have to do is remove the trade window where you put your gold and just give things away or barter for it.Yeap who cares about bots I don't.
garethporlest18
What is with you people and thinking there's an economy in Guild Wars, there was a time ago, it's dead now.
Anet will not stop bots till Guild Wars is deserted, so they'll just keep banning and bots will just keep coming. They'll try to nerf things, more real folks will leave. Basically bots are like AIDS and eventually they always win! Don't take action and the game will last longer, not comparing that with AIDS because if you don't take action against that, you'll die sooner. However since GW's economy was ruined by the creators, we don't have to worry about bots doing it.
Anet will not stop bots till Guild Wars is deserted, so they'll just keep banning and bots will just keep coming. They'll try to nerf things, more real folks will leave. Basically bots are like AIDS and eventually they always win! Don't take action and the game will last longer, not comparing that with AIDS because if you don't take action against that, you'll die sooner. However since GW's economy was ruined by the creators, we don't have to worry about bots doing it.
Shuuda
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Which completely failed and only hurt casual players imho.
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Mordakai's Idea about selling gold would help solve the bot issue, but it's still not very good as people will still be able to buy gold. And all the FoW Ebayers will become Aneters.
@guy above me: Anet introduced the measures that "Killed the economy" in order to stop bots, so it's still in a way the cause of bots (And solo farmers as a whole)
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korcan
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Korcan if you want evidence that bots cause inflation you should look at other games with heavy botting e.g. Diablo 2. Diablo 2 the inflation got so high with botters(not just proffesionals but players) gold stopped becoming the currency and people purchased items with incredibly rare runes(comparable with superior vigors). Or had to go farm everything themselves.
There were even public bot games where people would team up with a players bot and follow it to get a share of the loot. Loot scaling was a multi fronted attack against botters. It greatly reduces the income from a single botter. It will be incredibly difficult to write a bot that can work in a team. Costs the botter more money as they need to buy multiple accounts and maybe multiple computers. Guildwars is inherently much more difficult to bot due to it being 3D and team based but if they dont keep up the fight against botters it will probably spiral out of control, you should be praising Anet. |
the only perk for being rich in guildwars is strictly cosmetic. unless you consider that an advantage, i dont understand what all the fuss is about.
Shuuda
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ive never played d1 or d2 but guildwars isnt a game that gives you any inherent advantage if you are rich. max armor and weapons are all available for fixed prices via traders so no amount of extra gold will change that.
the only perk for being rich in guildwars is strictly cosmetic. unless you consider that an advantage, i dont understand what all the fuss is about. |
Dawgboy
I don't care about bots.
I DO care about ANet's ham-handed attempts to combat them.
Sure, the price of a few items like dyes and sup. runes were a little inflated before, but other stuff has a fixed price, like the 5k weapons and 1k for skills. Now that solo farming is in the crapper and gold is harder to come by it makes the stuff I ACTUALLY USE harder to afford. Why should I care if an "uber sword of leetness" costs 100k or 30k?
I'm just glad they didn't wait until after GW;EN came out before they rolled out this loot-scaling "improvement". That makes my decision to buy or not to buy the expansion so much easier.
I DO care about ANet's ham-handed attempts to combat them.
Sure, the price of a few items like dyes and sup. runes were a little inflated before, but other stuff has a fixed price, like the 5k weapons and 1k for skills. Now that solo farming is in the crapper and gold is harder to come by it makes the stuff I ACTUALLY USE harder to afford. Why should I care if an "uber sword of leetness" costs 100k or 30k?
I'm just glad they didn't wait until after GW;EN came out before they rolled out this loot-scaling "improvement". That makes my decision to buy or not to buy the expansion so much easier.
Sir Green Aluminum
Bots increase prices by putting more gold into the market and causing inflation. They also increase the number of players going around saying I'm so powerfuls I've got all the armor sets, you sucks you only have regulars. And this is an mmo, who wants to see other people cheat and get what you worked so hard for. If you want to cheat play single player games.
ryanryanryan0310
Bots aren't the problem it's leechers, leavers, and the whole balance issue. Please spend more time on fixing the game. kthx
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Yeah I forgot, fix Mallyx too.....
Bryant Again
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Diablo???
Some of us don't ebay gold... but some people do
"The Righteous heart will be tempted when sinners go unpunished."
"The Righteous heart will be tempted when sinners go unpunished."
cellardweller
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I don't buy gold or trade crap with other players so I could care less about bots.
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Envious
Bots don't bother me at all. As long as I'm not the one botting, I have nothing to be afraid of.
Lord Feathers
Bots are for the greedy, lazy, and selfish. They take away and detract from the game period. What would really fix a lot of botting is for one of these companies to finally SUE one of these bastages that sell the gold / items on ebay. They have an account and they have broken an agreement and they are profitting from something that isn't theirs. Eventually this will happen and I'm going to laugh my ass off !
ainkami
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Bots & farmers generally decrease price of common items that can be farmed and increase the price of rare items that can't be farmed. Simple laws of economics.