Thank You Anet !

Well for starters I'm not only sick of it I'm a bit disappointed in the community as a whole here. Constant complaints about I can't use my BOT, OMFG Guild Wars is dying and the never ending posts of what do I do now I'm bored ? I've been playing Guild Wars as a P vs E player since it's release and I've yet to become bored. I'm also one of those people who have logged not hundreds of hours on their account but thousands instead. Guild Wars offers so much to do over the 3 chapters that are out, I honestly can't see how people have gotten bored. I guess if all I did was gold farm, or endless FOW and UW runs I would be bored as well.

1.) Gaile Grey stops in here and checks on the community to ask for ideas and informs folks about the game, updates to the game, ect. and as a representative for Anet she does her best to convey our ( the community ) requests back to Anet. Half the time she is greeted with more insults and complaining then anything else This company has done a great job in my eyes to actually get good ideas from the community to make the game better and I for one wouldn't want the job of sorting through the insults, and snide remarks of many of the community members here. How many companys take this stance of communicating with their fan base ?

2.) They constantly battle the botters and have taken steps to diminish the use of these things. They havn't stopped it completely and probably never will but no matter what your stance on BOTS is they detract from the game for the average player and yes they contribute to server lagg. You add thousands of ppl using those things and things get nasty for everyone. Take Diablo II as an example - server full of constant cheats and bots and although that is considered an old game now the servers still run but the use of the BOTS KILLED that game. You want to see GW die allow the rampant use of BOTS and cheats. Log on to battle.net and see just how many times you experience lagg or get kicked offline ! Blizzard has a track record of letting their games go to hell. What I see from Anet is showing me the exact oppisite.

3.) A few weeks back lagg was a HUGE issue and not just in Europe but also on the American side as well. The problem was addressed, taken care of, and now they are allowing people who had problems to experience the event. Thank you Anet, although not playing on the European servers it was also an issue for me. They could have easily just said sorry about your luck, try again next year but in caring for their customers they give us the chance to attend and play the event.

4.) As the game moves on and grows they have added fixes, updates, and mini events for us players. With GWEN they are adding the ability for many of us to carry over some of our accomplishments from GW 1 to GW2. Instead of just saying sorry that's the end they are giving players a chance to continue to enjoy a story line instead of simply killing the game. Most of your other gaming companies would not have even taken the effort to do anything like that. I can see the huge amount of posts already complaining about what the HOM will offer. Be thankful you got it !

5.) No fee..... there will be many arguments over this but you have to admit the game model for GW is well supported and taken care of for a non-subscription game.

There are also things I dis-like about the game and of course I could also draw up a list of rants about this and that but for the most part Anet has done a good job in this customers eyes of supporting its fans. Nothing is perfect, there are things to be fixed, but so far GREAT JOB to the folks at Anet for doing what they have done so far.

I agree with you but be prepared for a flame fest here. Most people are not happy unless they have something to complain about and then it grows to see who can whine the loudest. ANet is not perfect, no one is but I do appreciate their efforts to stay in touch with the community. It cannot be easy to fix something because one person whines only to have someone else come along and scream "OMG you ruined my entire life!" There are many here that will agree with you but my guess is that the vast majority of the replys will be to slam you, your post and ANet.

in before the flamefest and closing.

thank you for a positive thread because i was expecting yet another sarcastic slam at Anet.

since early beta before GW came out and still having fun.

watch me get called fanboi yet again

I pretty much expect that from this community any more and wonder myself why I even bother to comment on things. It's honestly starting to turn into an exact image of Blizzards Clan Hall forums in here before they started to clean up their forums. Just so many negative posts you would wonder why they even bother to play the game. I felt something positive needed to be said instead of the constant whining and complaining. If I quit anything it will be coming to these boards and certainly not Guild Wars.

People are entitled to their opinion. I've no problem with negative posts as long as they are well constructed and have a decent point to discuss.

The change in the GWG community from early 2005 to present has been shocking. I joined this forum becasue it had the most information on a game I'd only just started playing. I could ask an obvious silly question and get a reasonable polite answer.

The changes in the game only have a small amount of blame for this. Some people's egos and greed have overtaken their ability to have fun. It is a real shame because as I said early 2005 the forum was a great place to chat.

Before anyone asks "well why don't you just leave then?", I stay for the continued good supply of information from the Admins and for the Sell and Buy forum. I occaisionally take part in a "heated debate" but more often than not it turns ugly.

Only problem is, no game of this sort of magnitude can be perfect. Of course there will always be complaints. Take storage for example. People will always want more. Take zones for example. People will always want better loot and harder (or easier) material. Take skills for example. People will always want better balance since there's always an overpowered build. Other little things can always be added in, like auction houses, hairdressers, face lifters, etc. that people will desire and keep asking to add.

[QUOTE]i had the top 20 of those on my desktop for quick copy/paste answers

the exact same question could have been asked and answered a short time earlier but there was almost a race between us to be the first to answer it.

there might even be two posts answering it with the same time stamp

not now

The forums did change with the news/release of Factions. The amount of users practically doubled within a month, the server got slower (it was pretty good back in 2005)

They do okay.

All things considered, I think that ANet has done a pretty good job with GW. I can't say that I agree with everything that they've done with the game, but for every change that I haven't liked there have been many more changes that I have liked. And even the things that I didn't like at first have grown on me over time.

All the negative press is a bad thing, Anet themselves push these complaints here (the old "post it on the forums where we can see it" thingy" sure there are some issues that dont get resolved - but the fact is even if the issue isnt resolved it comes to the attention of Anet

At the end of the day you say it sucks that all this forum has is complaints...but id be bored as hell with a forum that was constant "Good job" "this is perfect" "I love this"..meh

we get a good balance of complaints and compliments, problem is every tome, dick and harry decide to start there own thread to complain - so the good threads get pushed down..i think im starting the stop making sense here so ill shut up now...

Let me be the first to point the bad things about the things you said.
I'm not one of those people that are doom sayers , I complain about bad stuff and I am thankful for the good stuff and complain about the bad stuff that affect me the most or i think are really bad, just like the next person.( ok fine, sometimes a bit more )


Don't forget the people that post praising Anet and ignoring all the bad things,just because you like how things are and nothing that you do has been affected in the negative way doesn't mean everyone should shut up and think like you.

Pvpers will complain about pvp stuff cause it affects them the most, farmers will complain about farming stuff because it affects them to most,its really not that hard to understand,again just because you haven't had anything bad happen to the part of the game you love doesn't mean everything is fine.

Maybe you play really slow?Or maybe other players play faster then you,maybe it's because you have 15 characters and other people only 2/3?
Maybe it's because we had expected GW:EotN to come out after 6 months,because that is what has happened before and we played the game in a pace that by the 6 month we would want something new.
Maybe pvpers are bored of the same build being run by everyone cause thats is the only viable option,so they want Anet to give them multiple options to choose from. (I know im bored of BA ranger )
Theres way too many reason to think of.

The Gold farmer and FoW/UW Farmers don't complain about the content, they complain about drops being nerfed,skills they use being nerfed, mobs given new skills,areas changed.

Some people think that she doesn't deliver our message good enough , or sometimes doesn't deliver part of it.I don't see Insults towards Gaile,the mods of this server don't like pure insults so you might be exagarating a bit

I believe they have done a good job , of course not everyone agrees with you and they are allowed to disagree, some people believe that Anet doesn't add/fix things that are so simple that we don't get why they are not added, or fixes.Thats why you don't have the job gaile has believe me she doesn't think its all happy people in the community, she knows people will complain , of course like anyone she doesn't like insults and stuff.


What steps have they taken?They might have taken steps , but not that we know about.Bots ( or other people) don't really contribute to your lag , not unless theres like 200 people in one town and you are one of those people.

They did say , sorry bad luck for you , try again next time for other events.
Maybe they are simply using this as a test and will do it more often ( not very often).Just something they can think about doing in the future when things are bad during a event.


Don't forget they broke some stuff, or unbalanced stuff , just saying not everything they added was good.
Yes true they allow us to keep going , but you gotta think about it from their sire too, if you buy GW:EotN and add stuff to your HoM , you are more likely to buy GW2 to see what rewards they give so for them its win win, its just means more costumers are likely to buy their next product.If they didn't give us this great option,some people might think about why go to GW2 where i have to start all over again, ill just stay in GW1 and enjoy everything i have.

Not really anything to say here,just that your right.

People get bored.
You didn't.
Your point?
Or better yet - I am vegetarian. Does that mean YOU should be too?

Aren't we dealing with a new player on the market?
I mean - it's not like they are stopping by because of us. They want to know what will help THEM SELL the game!

Bots are against the EULA they wrote.
They aren't my problem. How they deal with them is their decision.

Thank them for making the game playable?
Fine by me! But then again - I DON'T need to play games that don't work or work badly.
Fixing the lag wasn't a favour for the users - it was part of their service. At least the service that we came to expect AND the service which makes us buy more GW games.
If that service changes - then one should reconsider if one should support it any further.

Once again - why should I leave my beloved characters and move to GW2 when I can continue to play with them in GW1?
Do you really think that this was done out of the goodness of their heart and wasn't just part of their strategy to encourage us to BUY GW2?

Their business model.
If it wasn't working for ME - I wouldn't be here.
I really don't care if it is or isn't working for THEM!

Of course!
A.net did many things right!
And they did many things wrong!
The fact that you fail to see is simple - by saying that something is shit, that doesn't diminish the OTHER good they did. It's just saying that THAT particular part IS SHIT!

I applaud you for making this thank you thread, as it was obvious this flamefest would be coming. But actually, TBH, it's getting a bit old. For everyone 3 "Guild Wars is dying, Guild Wars fails, Guild Wars is getting old" thread, there is one thank you thread.

I guess I could start a thread about flame fests as well but to what point ? I fully expected some of these replys as the majority of the forums content here anymore is exactly that. The point was there have been positive things done and I also wanted to point out what the majority of these posts turn into. Without saying anything else I have already proven that point.

I'm totally with you here Loviatar... hell, I love ANet, even enough to do a dedicated show for it on my station 2and a half years after its release and I'm getting loads of help from NCSoft to do it... Love it and i'm really looking forward to GW2 to carry on the love

The people that were responsible for battlenet stuff are the same people who founded arenanet, if I recall. The current blizzard is far better than old blizzard/battlenet and arenanet put together in terms of keeping bots and cheats off of MMOs. compared to guild wars, WoW is completely free of bots and cheats. just thought that should be pointed out, since you brought the comparison.

If you can find an mmo where people dont complain all the time about things, then the company that makes it is probably controlling their minds

And that's where the problem starts, 90% of all whines I see are not decent discussion points, merely flames at Anet, and they are not well constructed.

Well-formed complaints are always more constructive than compliments.

No, complaints aren't, criticism is. There is a difference.

Complaints is just saying what they are doing wrong, criticism is saying how they should do it right.
Well-formed complaining isn't going to help, because Anet only takes action when the entire pvp/pve community is complaining over a single problem. Quantity matters, quality doesn't.

One small complaint isn't going to make Anet do something, and they're completely right on that subject, since everything gets complained about.

Criticism however, might help Anet fix a problem.

For some reason...this thread looks very familiar...

From what I've heard, it probably rears its head every few weeks or so, long enough for the mods to have forgotten it.

As for the whining, there was an old Navy saying. "A bitching sailor is a happy sailor." People complain a lot because they like the game enough to want to fix it. If they didn't give a rat's ass, they would just switch games. The fact that this forum gets so many posts is evidence of that.

For example, the bots flames. Fighting bots will always be a losing battle when you don't have the staff that comes with subscribers' fees. Great, Wow has no bot problem. They have 8 MILLION monthly subscribers! A lot of money to reinforce your server firewalls(that's what they get for using Microsoft servers, but that's another story). They know they need to do something when they see on the forums a bot thread getting a lot more hits and responses than normal.

People from pvp complained about skills being too overpowered, so they hit it with the nerf bat. When p-v-e'ers complained about that, they created p-v-e only skills. That was from listening to the critiques and complaints. For the most part, they got good reviews about these.

Yes, there will always be those who complain constantly, but, as in real life, people get a sense of just whining and ignore it. If it is legitimate, it will strike a chord and get many different people responding with detailed complaints and/or possible solutions. If not, it will get a two-three person flame-fest equivalent of "Yo Mama!" and die.

Complaints and critiques are fine. The time to worry is when you don't hear anything at all. That's the silence of people playing WoW or LOTRO.

While I think A-net is doing a good overall job on PvE side of the game, I'm not sure about the PvP side.
However, they seem to listen to the community and act upon that (not always). The recent 'removed heroes from HA' is an example.
I think A-net is in a difficult position, where their main source of income is from PvE player experience and not from PvP player experience (anymore).

Just want to comment on one specific line in the OP:
I can see it, but bored would not be the right word.

Let me explain:
- I have finished all story lines and a lot of side quests. Multiple times.
- I have beaten most of HM missions combined on my two main characters and while it's still fun, it's just doing the same thing over and over till perfection (static mobs).
- I have little interest in end-game areas like FoW/UW, Deep/Urgoz and DoA, and don't like playing in cookie cutter builds all the time.

This means I have little or no ingame goals anymore.
I still have titles to max, but that's not that important for me.

Now, there are some other things I can do:
- GvG: My guild is PvE focussed
- HA: Same problem, and getting into unranked pugs is not always easy
- AB: Fun to kill some time, but not in the long run
- RA/TA: also fun, but also not in the long run

The thing that keeps me going is guild activity.
I like the people and try to play together with them whenever they need help and I'm available.
Since I'm also guild leader, I have to take care of some guild issues, also keeping me busy.
I think without guild activity, Guild Wars would have 'died' for me some time ago.

It's easier to complain than to give ackoledgement I guess...
If you see something you think is 'wrong' with GW, you want it to get fixed and you 'start some noise' about it. If everything is fine, you simply... go and have fun playing. I think thats the nature of community...

But I guess threads like this mobilize people to express their gratitude They do motivate me ^^ I'm usually complaining, but keeping my mouth shut about the things I love in GW. And I really like this game, it's pretty, well coded (doesn't require a super machine for me to play), well designed and well planned... Doesn't need grind(1) to be sucessful, on a contrary to other popular games that steal one's life...

Thank you ANet for GW!

1. Well, it didn't until Nightfall... Yeah, I know, complaining again =.=

That is very true. The game has a lot of potential that goes unused, wasted. its like watching a really smart kid get drunk and drop out of school...

Meh, $150 for 1400+ hours of game play seems like a fair deal to me. You'll see no real complaint from me. As things change for better or worse I still got my monies worth. With games being released now that have 12-15 hours of game play for the same $50 as one of the guild wars games, I don't really see the problem. Yes the lagg was a real issue, but beyond that as long as the game is playable I'm content. I adapt to the changes and keep on trucking.

While I agree with the sentiment of Haggus and your posts, the reality is different. A sizeable number of people who complain on this forum;

a) do so without fully knowing what it is they're complaining about

b) come up with fixes without completely understanding the implications of those fixes

c) use abusive language and/or belittle someone who doesn't share their view

d) are just generally unhelpfull

I don't mind criticism (as someone already pointed out that's criticism not complaining), in fact ANet have always asked for feedback. The way people go about it though is the real issue.

QFT.

People think that when they pay for the game it has to last forever. I dont get it with people complaining about boredom after so much playing time, i mean, every game become boring after some time, but Anet has been able to push it long enough for most people.I know i would have got tired way before with level-grinding games.

As for thinking what Anet did right or wrong, its nothing more than personall opinion really, what pleases some, displeases others. No matter what they do, there will always have people that liked the changes and people that didnt. So, there is no point in complaining about it without thinking about all the people affected and how the changes could be improved.

Do you guys remember the second birthday? Even with the vast majority voting for new minipets, we still had people complaining and bashing that anet didnt listen to anyone.

a, c, and d sound like gaile gray :\ and b sounds like izzy and other update-related peoples who change things without looking at all sides of what they're changing...

actually in a direct poll between minipets or something other than minipets, the vast majority did say no minipets... the problem was no one could agree on a specific something else... of course arenanet could have tried another new thing of their own accord i suppose, to keep people guessing...

ArenaNet FTW!

Two things of great import...

1. If there weren't guilds, the game would just be called Wars, and that would be boring.

2. These guys have a helluva product and do a great job to maintain and expand on it. Regardless of the imperfections everyone will see from their own perspective, they keep most of the people happy most of the time, and that alone speaks wonders.

Well done all.

Side thought... has anyone ever seen Gaile with a level 20 character online? I think she needs to get busy playing...

I think its important to reinforce the fact that ANet has delivered a game in which a single person can play for thousands of hours with an unfathomable amount of content and spend at most $200. You can't get that anywhere else. Not even WoW can deliver like that.

FABLE:THE LOST CHAPTERS

according to the reviews which were very positive you got the following for your 50 DOLLARS

1. the original full game

2. a crudely tacked on addition

3. replay value zero

TOTAL PLAY TIME 14 TO 16 HOURS FOR 50 BUCKS

and you bitch about hundreds/thousands of fun hours playtime

i am assuming fun or the person hating but still playing is a moron at best

Lord Feathers, I echo your sentiments

GG overall Anet, and thank you for an excellent game.

Why am I such a huge issue?







(It's "lag", not "lagg")