Do you have a Perma Pre character? If so, you MUST read this thread posted over in Sardelac Sanitarium!! I'm linking it here in Riverside because I think more folks will see it here and Arena Net absolutely must do something to stop this exploit.
For those of you who don't feel like linking over and reading the thread here's the gist of it in a nutshell:
Some lowlife scumbags think it's a funny joke to drag Perma Pre characters out of Pre-Searing against their will thus ruining hours upon hours of hard work towards building a high level Pre character and LDoA candidate. This is accomplished by partnering up with the victim under the pretense of needing help with the Adventure with an Ally quest or the Northlands quest. Once the victim groups with the scumbag, he immediately talks to Tydus and activates the mission thus dragging along the victim before they can react.
Arenanet needs to stop this exploit pronto!!!! They can add a longer mission countdown timer or make it so both party members must confirm the mission start or some other fix.
In the meantime, here are a few ideas for protecting your perma-pre.
1. Never partner with anyone. (Hey, abstinence is always the best protection)
2. Don't take a 2nd profession. You can't start the mission without one.
3. If you do need to partner with someone. Make sure they are standing near the Ascalon gate exit when you join them and warp outta town quickly. If they make any moves towards Tydus, leave and start warning others in town!!!
I sincerely hope Gaile or Andrew reads this and acts quickly to close this exploit. Personally, I don't have a pre character, but I feel for the victims of this nasty joke.
New scam/vandalism for Perma Pre Characters
TheRaven
Mordakai
Thanks for the heads up.
For people who are working on "Legendary Defender" (probably the most likely victims of this, as they need a partner to get beyond the gate and hunt charr), should not take a secondary profession.
But from now on I'll keep an eye out of where my "partner" is.
Bastards!
For people who are working on "Legendary Defender" (probably the most likely victims of this, as they need a partner to get beyond the gate and hunt charr), should not take a secondary profession.
But from now on I'll keep an eye out of where my "partner" is.
Bastards!
CyberMesh0
This must be fixed. Now.
And I thought the heartless idiots of this game couldn't be any more stupid.
And I thought the heartless idiots of this game couldn't be any more stupid.
Kendar Muert
Thats.... *rated R content*
Seriously, that has got to be the worst thing I have ever heard of on any online game. I may not like WoW, but if something like that happened in the WoW community, that idiot would be blacklisted from every guild, event, ect. Hed have to make another character.
I know I dont have any real say, but that should be a banning offense. That is a direct attack against a player who has put in alot of time and effort (anywhere from 50-150 hours) to get what they wanted. If you see someone do this, report em'. Anet can't afford to have some of their most dedicated players driven off by idiots.
Seriously, that has got to be the worst thing I have ever heard of on any online game. I may not like WoW, but if something like that happened in the WoW community, that idiot would be blacklisted from every guild, event, ect. Hed have to make another character.
I know I dont have any real say, but that should be a banning offense. That is a direct attack against a player who has put in alot of time and effort (anywhere from 50-150 hours) to get what they wanted. If you see someone do this, report em'. Anet can't afford to have some of their most dedicated players driven off by idiots.
Thom The Brawler
This is old news, long before the LDoA title ever got thought up. All you have to do is log off or change districts to stop the timer.
amish lifeguard
or, when you add someone to your party, simply see where they are on the map. If they're close to Tydus, leave
Kendar Muert
Maybe, but before LDoA, it wouldn't be a big deal. Just level up in ascalon, post. But if you have dedicated a ton of hours to do something, then you need to have a better way to fix it.
TheRaven
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This is old news, long before the LDoA title ever got thought up. All you have to do is log off or change districts to stop the timer.
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VanDamselx
Despite if the timers long enough or not, it's still ridiculous and rude that people would even try to attempt this. A lot of time and work goes into an LDoA character and I would be disappointed if I left having not completed it because some arsehole decides to pull a prank.
1 up and 2 down
This really isnt anything old because just recently I talked to the guy and he said his goal was 100 presearing characters pulled. So yeah Anet needs to hurry up and perma ban this guy or change the way people go to post.
fRag_Doll
I agree, this is a new low. The lengths that some people will go to in order to cause grief to other players is astounding.
I think the easiest way to stop this would be just to make the Academy quest require solo entry.
I think the easiest way to stop this would be just to make the Academy quest require solo entry.
KANE OG
Just don't party up with someone you don't know who's NEAR Tydus. Duh. This doesn't need to be "fixed"..... it needs to be acknowledged that all scams are performed on people that aren't paying attention. If you're not near the guy then you can leave if the "scammer" heads toward him. Think people. Don't be suckers.
KANE
KANE
1 up and 2 down
Kane if you checked the thread about this in the sardelac you would know this guy *was* spoofing names of well known community members. Which means he probably tricked a few people that way.
Archer_Of_Vulpes
HAHAHA wow ppl are just now doing it? i did this multiple times like 4 months ago and ppl are JUST now doing it, little late >.> i did it b4 it was cool >.> but i was a bit better than them in that i gave them 10K after it was over.
King Kong
I read that thread last night, then when i logged on a mate told me it had happened to him! He joined a party then turned to talk to his wife, looked back and he was out of pre! He was lv10 
l u b i
Thanks for the heads up.
sure iw ill be very carful now.
sure iw ill be very carful now.
Bryant Again
This is not something that can be "fixed". But it is greatly concerning, and thanks for bringing it to our attention.
This is probably the worst thing in the game griefers could ruin, and that it's so simple is scary, if you don't know what to look out for.
This is probably the worst thing in the game griefers could ruin, and that it's so simple is scary, if you don't know what to look out for.
ca_aok
A simple fix would be to make the timer have a minimum of 10-15seconds countdown, leaving plenty of time to log out/switch districts.
Griff Mon
This has become a major issue in pre as there are a number of very well known players in there that are highly respected for their helpfulness and the in-game staus they have obtained. People are spoofing their names, changing a letter here or there for the simple devious joy of wrecking someones efforts.
Yes, you can avoid it by not taking a secondary profession or standing by the portal and insisting that the person be standing next to you before you team up with them. But many people going for the LDOA title chose to pick up a secondary profession for the extra skills you can get and are therefore at risk to falling prey to this scam. From level 11-16 you need to go through the portal to kill charr. And from level 16-20 you need to death level if you want that title.
I am avoiding it by death leveling spiders and striders (slow I know) but it is much safer and as my character is lvl 18 I am not even going to risk Charr death leveling because of these clowns. Some in the community have a code they use for legitimate gate openers, but this has probably been exploited as well.
Anet could simply change the timer to 30 seconds or so or possibly make it so both parties confirm that they want to go to post-searing.
Yes, you can avoid it by not taking a secondary profession or standing by the portal and insisting that the person be standing next to you before you team up with them. But many people going for the LDOA title chose to pick up a secondary profession for the extra skills you can get and are therefore at risk to falling prey to this scam. From level 11-16 you need to go through the portal to kill charr. And from level 16-20 you need to death level if you want that title.
I am avoiding it by death leveling spiders and striders (slow I know) but it is much safer and as my character is lvl 18 I am not even going to risk Charr death leveling because of these clowns. Some in the community have a code they use for legitimate gate openers, but this has probably been exploited as well.
Anet could simply change the timer to 30 seconds or so or possibly make it so both parties confirm that they want to go to post-searing.
divinechancellor
It's happened to my ele in pre (lvl 13, second profession)
Edit: Clarify: I was invited but didn't fall for it. Lucky for the warning on presearing.com
I remember one guy that was at it for a whole night. Spending hours to make new characters, complete primary quests and drag people out of pre for fun? Someone needs a life. Even more than the LDoA guys (soon to be me
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Edit: Clarify: I was invited but didn't fall for it. Lucky for the warning on presearing.com
I remember one guy that was at it for a whole night. Spending hours to make new characters, complete primary quests and drag people out of pre for fun? Someone needs a life. Even more than the LDoA guys (soon to be me
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Zinger314
The best way to fix it is to flat-out remove the point-of-no-return. That is, you will always be able to get back to Ascalon Pre-Searing even while doing the PvP/Rurik mission (and obviously stay post-Searing after the mission). Why is that point-of-no-return system in anyways?
Hyper.nl
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The best way to fix it is to flat-out remove the point-of-no-return. That is, you will always be able to get back to Ascalon Pre-Searing even while doing the PvP/Rurik mission (and obviously stay post-Searing after the mission). Why is that point-of-no-return system in anyways?
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vaxmor
welcome to the Guild Wars community, serving you scams and botters since BWE.
arcanemacabre
Eh, they should just allow people to go through the gate solo.
Muspellsheimr
What should be done is:
1) Set a minimum of 10-15 seconds on the timer.
2) Add a cancel button to the timer, usable by both players.
3) Allow a return to Ascalon any time BEFORE the completion of the Ascalon Academy mission. This may cause problems with those going for Survivor, as they would need to stay through the PvP match, but this can be easily fixed by not counting deaths during the match.
I doubt this problem would pop up anymore.
1) Set a minimum of 10-15 seconds on the timer.
2) Add a cancel button to the timer, usable by both players.
3) Allow a return to Ascalon any time BEFORE the completion of the Ascalon Academy mission. This may cause problems with those going for Survivor, as they would need to stay through the PvP match, but this can be easily fixed by not counting deaths during the match.
I doubt this problem would pop up anymore.
Fighterdoken
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3) Allow a return to Ascalon any time BEFORE the completion of the Ascalon Academy mission. This may cause problems with those going for Survivor, as they would need to stay through the PvP match, but this can be easily fixed by not counting deaths during the match.
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Easiest way i think would be not allowing the academy mission to be started if you are in a group.
fRag_Doll
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Easiest way i think would be not allowing the academy mission to be started if you are in a group.
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Adding time to the countdown would be pointless, as it runs on a cyclic counter. For example, if the max time for the count is 30 seconds, then the gate opens every 30 seconds and resets, regardless of whether or not anyone enters. What the 'Perma Pre Assasin' is doing is tracking the cycle, and entering the mission when there are only a few seconds remaining.
The counter mechanism would have to be changed entirely, so that it starts from 30 seconds every time, but that would complicate the syncronisity of people entering the Academy for their PvP match.
Muspellsheimr
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The counter mechanism would have to be changed entirely, so that it starts from 30 seconds every time, but that would complicate the syncronisity of people entering the Academy for their PvP match.
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Although I can see a few problems with the idea of returning after the match, only entering by yourself is a terrible idea. I am sure many people, myself for one, enjoy entering with a friend.
Perhaps the best solution (if this is still a problem after extended timer/cancel) would be to require conformation from both players before the timer began.
6am3 Fana71c
Report the scum and perma-ban 'em. Anet needs to stop beeing so "nice" to 12 yr old idiots who ruin this game.
EPO Bot
*sigh*
This kinda reminds me of Diablo2 in it's current condition. Try to enter a public hardcore game there.You never survive it. Literally.
The griefing in D2 has become such routine, everyone takes it for granted. Hell, they don't even take their time to shout "owned!!!" anymore.
This kinda reminds me of Diablo2 in it's current condition. Try to enter a public hardcore game there.You never survive it. Literally.
The griefing in D2 has become such routine, everyone takes it for granted. Hell, they don't even take their time to shout "owned!!!" anymore.
Matfei
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Timer? What timer? From what I'm hearing from the Pre people, the timer is 1 or 2 seconds. Think you can change districts or log off before it hits zero? If the timer is longer, then please post the time it actually is.
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Very unfortunate that this is happening though.
Well99
Always had time before entering so just shut your game off.
Kas
Bleh.
The Timer is on a global Heartbeat. Every 60 Seconds for example it arranges a match with those that signed up during those 60 Seconds. If you're lucky you've got 59 Seconds. If you've got bad luck you've got 2 seconds left.
If you know how the heartbeat of the mechanism ticks, you can wait for the timer to get close to just a few seconds and THEN party up.
It's not as easy as "just" shutting your game off because quite frankly, by then it might allready be too late.
The Timer is on a global Heartbeat. Every 60 Seconds for example it arranges a match with those that signed up during those 60 Seconds. If you're lucky you've got 59 Seconds. If you've got bad luck you've got 2 seconds left.
If you know how the heartbeat of the mechanism ticks, you can wait for the timer to get close to just a few seconds and THEN party up.
It's not as easy as "just" shutting your game off because quite frankly, by then it might allready be too late.
Antithesis
Shit of a thing to happen.
The most annoying pratt i've come across in 26 months of playing was some wanker who thought it was funny to run in and out of Ascalon City...as soon as we zoned, he'd run back in, then back out, then back in...
He thought it was hilarious to annoy us 'noobs', being completely unaware some of us Pre veterans have been there for two years.
The most annoying pratt i've come across in 26 months of playing was some wanker who thought it was funny to run in and out of Ascalon City...as soon as we zoned, he'd run back in, then back out, then back in...
He thought it was hilarious to annoy us 'noobs', being completely unaware some of us Pre veterans have been there for two years.
Antithesis
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From personal experience, whenever I've initiated Tydus' mission I've had up to 60 seconds countdown. Most often it starts around 45 seconds.
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Astral Wraithguard
I think the big problem is that when you start the timer you are free to move where ever you want to so the invite can come from anywhere in ascalon. I have had up to a 54 second countdown when going post so I think that the perpurtrator is letting the count down get to less that 5 or 10 seconds the inviting as many as they can in the hope someone acceptd
TheRaven
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I think the big problem is that when you start the timer you are free to move where ever you want to so the invite can come from anywhere in ascalon. I have had up to a 54 second countdown when going post so I think that the perpurtrator is letting the count down get to less that 5 or 10 seconds the inviting as many as they can in the hope someone acceptd
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I don't know about that. Isn't it impossible to leave or invite others once the timer has started?
I think a lot of you have missed the point. Yes it's possible to protect yourself and if you are aware of this trick it's fairly easy to avoid, but how many guild wars players actually visit the forums? I'm sure there are a lot of Perma-Pre players that are still unaware that scumbags are pulling this trick and if you group with someone without knowing they can do this, it can be difficult to react in time to stop it.
Arenanet really needs to close this exploit for that reason alone.
Edit: You know, this same thing happened to me last night. However in my case, no harm was done, just a slight inconvenience and no malicious intent.
I was in Kaineng Center selling some goods. I had a party search ad set up and was advertising various items in trade chat. One person PM'd me that they'd like to buy and we grouped up to finish the transaction. I sold my item to him and immediately, I see "traveling to Lion's Arch in :10...:09....:08....:07....."
I yelled STOP! several times, but it fell on deaf ears. Once I arrived in LA, I quickly booked passage back to Kaineng. My fleet-footed trading partner later apologized.
I would really be nice to have the option to leave the group once a travelling timer or Mission timer starts if you don't want to travel. This has happened to me a few times and I'm sure it's happened to you too.
Elbereth_Tiniquetil
When on my high lv Dollz Avatar or my Goddess Anti Avatar I never take a partner. if people do need help I am happy to change to my lv1 dolls character. This is not a new issue has been happening for over a year.
Shaq_gw
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Just don't party up with someone you don't know who's NEAR Tydus. Duh. This doesn't need to be "fixed"..... it needs to be acknowledged that all scams are performed on people that aren't paying attention. If you're not near the guy then you can leave if the "scammer" heads toward him. Think people. Don't be suckers.
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Who, in their right mind, would expect something like this?
And you are griefed because you try to help someone, that must be the worst of them all.
=HT=Ingram
if your arranging for parties tell them you will meet them in Abby instead and start the over the wall stuff from there. its only an extra minute really. Don't party up in Ascalon if your at risk... Problem solved.