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Fighterdoken

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2007

15 Aug 2007 at 01:38 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowstring Badass

You have the LDOA death level and you res him repeatedly. Same way you death lvl a pet.

In theory sounds possible, but if you stop to think a little...

It would take maybe 10 seconds between one death and another (i average 15 secs with traditional death leveling)
It would take between 6-8 hours to level a charr group high enough for 120xp each (i guess they work better, because you can place the rezzer out of agro-attack range leaving it at the hill right over the rez shrine)
The rezzer would need to stay online, playing those 6-8 hours, pressing rez over and over... <- i would make a check for bot'ing against those players XD
The rezzer would need to be able to manage his energy and rez timmers really well, or could end with 30+ secs between deaths (and thus increasing the dl'ing time needed, and thus making peolpe even more suspicious about how he managed to keep doing the same over and over for so long...)

And by the way, it doesn't work spell-rez'ing a pet as far as i know.

TheRaven

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Virginia

Spirit of Elisha

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15 Aug 2007 at 02:13 - 42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fighterdoken

In theory sounds possible, but if you stop to think a little...

And you need to stop and think a little bit more as well...... Which spell would you use to rez your partner?

Wait a second! There are no hard rezzes in Pre! And according to most of the recent posters, there are no tomes either. So much for that theory.

...or perhaps there are tomes after all.

Drop of Fear claims to know a tomeless method of obtaining both titles. I'm curious to find out what that is. If it does indeed involve heading to the GH then there is a much easier way to level than bringing back tomes. Just scrimmage against a guildie. But this would involve access to the guild hall which at the moment requires a hack.

pingu666

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

guildhall

[DETH]

15 Aug 2007 at 02:18 - 43

think they changed it so u dont get xp from scrimage...

Shadowspawn X

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

Fellowship of Champions

R/E

15 Aug 2007 at 02:23 - 44

Dumbest thing about this post is it fails to take into account that if this is achieved the two titles itself evidence of you cheating and at the least lose your toon if not get banned from GW.

Drop of Fear

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

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15 Aug 2007 at 06:00 - 45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowstring Badass

You have the LDOA death level and you res him repeatedly. Same way you death lvl a pet.

N-O

without any kind of tome. even tho i'm kinda pissed because ppl with tomes can do both titles in faster and safer way

tho they canno afk it, thing that i'm doing atm.
gimme evidence of a regular monk tome in pre and i'll abort my surv+ldoa and sending pm to ppl interested about how to do it without one.

higaru

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2007

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15 Aug 2007 at 06:11 - 46

Quote:

Originally Posted by divinechancellor

Your pet only gives monsters exp after its first death. Any subsequent deaths yield no gain.

Weird, cause i take my pet with me and i res him all the time, i.e. i die once my pet die twice, and each time they kill it i c a +8 over the charr groups, that is xp i believe.
I also timed my death lvling without my pet it takes 30% more time to get them to lvl 18 then when we r toghether....

And for the title i don't think its possible even if u have the tomes u can't go afk and ANET will disconnect u after a certain amout of time, and having someone sitting even on distance resurecting u for 14 hours is something i wouldn't do!!! i wish there was another way....

Could they consider a new bonus? a new cave in pre with lvl 20+ monster?

Drop of Fear

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

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15 Aug 2007 at 06:19 - 47

yep. a new cave in presearing with lvl 16 foes would be perfect. people would be allowed to get both titles just playing the game and without deathleveling or finding archane tricks. if someone brought tomes in presearing he will play with more skills or be banned.

vote for a new lvl16 boss to solve the situation

Estic

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mongoose United

15 Aug 2007 at 06:21 - 48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grenths Ire

couldn't you map out before the arena expires? sorry, never tried it, so I don't know the answer.

No, I do it everytime have a char going for survivor leaving pre. If you abort,you get to the mini mission with Rurik.

Higaru, is that +8 in purple? And are you a necro? Then it's probably a Charr necro getting his soulreaping, no xp.

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

15 Aug 2007 at 06:43 - 49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drop of Fear

without any kind of tome. even tho i'm kinda pissed because ppl with tomes can do both titles in faster and safer way

tho they canno afk it, thing that i'm doing atm.
gimme evidence of a regular monk tome in pre and i'll abort my surv+ldoa and sending pm to ppl interested about how to do it without one.

People don't respawn while their partner is alive, but do they respawn while their partner is disconnected? If so, I can see this being done by repeatedly doing dirty exits/reconnects.

Drop of Fear

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

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15 Aug 2007 at 06:53 - 50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gli

People don't respawn while their partner is alive, but do they respawn while their partner is disconnected? If so, I can see this being done by repeatedly doing dirty exits/reconnects.

1 reconnects are out of the game.
2 if reconnects were back in: when u lose connection u're still in explorable area while u reconnect. if partner dies he doesnt rez at the shrine because u're still there, alive and not moving. tho nope this doesnt work

neeext

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

15 Aug 2007 at 06:56 - 51

The idea is for him to die while you're not there, or for you to disconnect while he's dead. And reconnects will be back, eventually.

Drop of Fear

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

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15 Aug 2007 at 07:00 - 52

dude u're always there... even if u loose connection u're still in the map alive

it's a dead end i tried it

Ajantis

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

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15 Aug 2007 at 09:56 - 53

any hints?

Ghost Recon

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Mo/

15 Aug 2007 at 10:49 - 54

If i remember correctly in pre-searing after a certain amount of time you would auto res (at the shrine) even of the other person in the team was still alive. So in theory one person could death level while the other is well out off the way wait till the char has leveled up to the required level then both of you kill it, it would take twice as long to get the title but one of you would be able to get survivor at the same time.

mr_groovy

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Netherlands

No Inherent Effect [NiE]

15 Aug 2007 at 11:11 - 55

Any ldoa title holders here? Is it possible to do hm in pre-sear after getting to lvl 20? If so tomes could drop ^^

Dev121

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

15 Aug 2007 at 11:25 - 56

Another title that needs to be updated so that people dont have to spend hundreds of hours , doing nothing.... to get a max title.

TheRaven

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Virginia

Spirit of Elisha

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15 Aug 2007 at 11:42 - 57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drop of Fear

N-O

without any kind of tome. even tho i'm kinda pissed because ppl with tomes can do both titles in faster and safer way

tho they canno afk it, thing that i'm doing atm.
gimme evidence of a regular monk tome in pre and i'll abort my surv+ldoa and sending pm to ppl interested about how to do it without one.

Well there are tomes in Pre definitely. I've seen screenshots over on PreSearing.com of a ranger tome and several well respected members of the community there have said they've seen them and even held them. Most of them feel the same way you do however, it's cheating to use one.

Personally, I wouldn't have a problem using a tome in Pre if there were a legit way to get one in Pre. Right now the only way to obtain a tome is thru using the hack.

Drop, if you are not using a tome, continue on your efforts to get the titles. As long as you know you didn't have a tome and if your method can be duplicated (YES! I'm curious!) then you have nothing to worry about.

Hmm, I'm still trying to think about how you've done it. You've said no reconnect tricks, no tomes, yet this does require 2 accounts, 1 with the LDoA title already. So, is the LDoA necessary on the other character, or could you use a Level 19 as well?

TheRaven

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Virginia

Spirit of Elisha

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15 Aug 2007 at 11:56 - 58

Ooooh, I have an idea! This might actually work too.

Go out with a Level 20 mm. If the mm has been able to obtain a Superior Death Magic Rune (possible with charr salvage kit?) they can create a level 14 bone horror. The mm then dies leaving a very wild and angry bone horror behind for you to kill.

So, am I close?

BenjZee

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

The Overacheivers [Club]

Mo/

15 Aug 2007 at 12:14 - 59

i'm guessing during the guild hall incident someone coulda just power lvled aswell as you could powerlvl in scimmage back then.

even though the title wasnt out then you coulda left your character and theres a chance there is a LDOA and legendary survivor in pre searing

hyro yamaguchi

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

The Netherlands

Mo/Me

15 Aug 2007 at 13:46 - 60

Be a ranger, or ranger secondary, and have the char deathlevel on your pet.

TheRaven

Desert Nomad

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Virginia

Spirit of Elisha

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15 Aug 2007 at 13:58 - 61

Quote:

Originally Posted by hyro yamaguchi

Be a ranger, or ranger secondary, and have the char deathlevel on your pet.

Have you read this thread at all? Have you read any deathleveling guides? For the gazillionth time, PET DEATHS DO NOT DEATHLEVEL!

Tom Swift

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2007

15 Aug 2007 at 14:03 - 62

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheRaven

Ooooh, I have an idea! This might actually work too.

Go out with a Level 20 mm. If the mm has been able to obtain a Superior Death Magic Rune (possible with charr salvage kit?) they can create a level 14 bone horror. The mm then dies leaving a very wild and angry bone horror behind for you to kill.

So, am I close?

Interesting - can anyone verify if you get xp from wild minions a member of your party created? If so, this would be possible as a lvl 20 necromancer can create a lvl 14 bone horror without needing a superior rune. And this would not be an exploit since you are using a legitimate skill and not a bug in the program.

TheRaven

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Virginia

Spirit of Elisha

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15 Aug 2007 at 14:19 - 63

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Swift

Interesting - can anyone verify if you get xp from wild minions a member of your party created? If so, this would be possible as a lvl 20 necromancer can create a lvl 14 bone horror without needing a superior rune. And this would not be an exploit since you are using a legitimate skill and not a bug in the program.

I think you can get exp from anything you kill. Spirits, minions, enemies, anything. I'm at work currently with no access to the game. I'll verify once I get home.

I think the tricky part would be killing the Level 20 MM before the minion died. Are Vamp weapons available in pre legitimately? What about the Necro skills? Any health saccing skills like Blood of the Master in Pre?

I admit, I'm not too familiar with Pre-searing yet. I made a Pre character this week after reading (and starting a few) all these Pre threads. I've always wanted to try for survivor and ldoa on the same character, but until recently I've always assumed it was impossible. Now I'm actively researching the issue.

So, I now have a level 6 Elementalist in Pre. She's completed only 2 quests and I'll continue to level her as far as possible without dying. If I run into a brick wall, I'll keep her survivor title intact and wait for possible game updates that will make these titles possible thru legit means.

emoxcore

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2006

No Guild

N/

15 Aug 2007 at 14:29 - 64

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheRaven

I think you can get exp from anything you kill. Spirits, minions, enemies, anything. I'm at work currently with no access to the game. I'll verify once I get home.

I think the tricky part would be killing the Level 20 MM before the minion died. Are Vamp weapons available in pre legitimately? What about the Necro skills? Any health saccing skills like Blood of the Master in Pre?

I admit, I'm not too familiar with Pre-searing yet. I made a Pre character this week after reading (and starting a few) all these Pre threads. I've always wanted to try for survivor and ldoa on the same character, but until recently I've always assumed it was impossible. Now I'm actively researching the issue.

So, I now have a level 6 Elementalist in Pre. She's completed only 2 quests and I'll continue to level her as far as possible without dying. If I run into a brick wall, I'll keep her survivor title intact and wait for possible game updates that will make these titles possible thru legit means.

You cant get exp from minions..i allready tried this with my MM in pre..shes lvl 20

TheRaven

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Virginia

Spirit of Elisha

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15 Aug 2007 at 14:52 - 65

Quote:

Originally Posted by emoxcore

You cant get exp from minions..i allready tried this with my MM in pre..shes lvl 20

Awww, well it was a good idea while it lasted. I guess if it was that easy, someone else would have already thought up the idea.

Ok, I'll just have to keep thinking. If Drop of Fear isn't just bluffing and she really has a method then it's out there somewhere. From her posts, here is what I know....

- You go with a Level 20 friend (or 2nd account)
- This method is done while AFK which strongly implies deathleveling.
- No hard rezzes in Pre and Drop of Fear has stated that she is not using a tome to obtain a hard rez. (But since this is an AFK method, she isn't standing there rezzing her level 20 friend anyways)

So, somehow her friend is getting rezzed by other means? I can't think of anything there. Are there any NPC characters with a hard rez in Pre? I know that you do team up with others for certain quests (Gwen, Devona, Egg stealer dude, etc). I seriously seriously doubt that any of them have hard rezzes, but like I said there is alot about pre that I don't know yet.

Tom Swift

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2007

15 Aug 2007 at 16:50 - 66

Ok

Well if it is an npc then maybe we can narrow the search a litte

It would have to be a monk type, wouldn't it? I think in prophecies only the monks have any kind of hard res.

However, it would not have to be someone you allied with as the monks at the shrines heal you even though you were not partied with them - so it could be an npc that you just have to die near but who would not attack the foe.

There is probably a charmable animal in the area because many npcs like academy monks attack "enemies" and some animals but not most antagonized charmable animals. (or rather - they will attack wolves and spiders but not striders)

bobrath

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Texas

Scouts of Tyria

15 Aug 2007 at 17:25 - 67

I know there's a healer by rez shrine near the apple chasing spiders. I know that cause I've used her to allow my low level to tank a massive army of baddies without dying.... Operative problem being the not dying part.

Tom Swift

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2007

15 Aug 2007 at 17:40 - 68

I doubt it would be an academy monk since that would have been noticed by now.

Other monks that I know of

Lina the healer and Sarah at Ascalon village (both of these would have been noticed before)

Mehnlo is visible inside the abbey fence from outside but I think he is too far from the fence to use any res if he has it. (Although, why is he there - he is not in the same place he is when you are in the Abbey so it had to be intentional and not just an accident that you would be able to see him - why not be able to interact with him? Hmmm sometimes enemies can come over to one explorable are from another - Avicarra coming into Tasc's Demise from Mineral Springs, for instance. Is there some way to lure him into Lakeside, perhaps? And, if so, does he have a res? He does have restore life when he is a henchmen in prophecies - does he have it here? Hmmmmm)

Paulus the Abbot during monk's mission but i think he is a smiting monk would kill anything that came near him.

Grazden the Protector during the quest protection prayers (tried him out - he doesn't seem to have any rez)

Ciglo the Monk during the monk test (tried to lure a bad guy close enough to kill me in rez range but couldn't get them to follow me that far)

And, of course, Gwen.

Also tried dying near Melandru's shrine and the healing spring - thought maybe one them had an auto rez - no go

??Ripskin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

Mo/

15 Aug 2007 at 21:01 - 69

Yes, but gwen is a noob, and should not be trusted with a hard rez.

And I made a Ldoa character, I'm really bored with her right now. Mainly because I know, eventually, that it will take thousands of exp to level, and those 4 charr that are level 19 only give about 100-200 a piece. Which makes me think that I do NOT want to afk about 40-50 times just to get a stupid title.

There's better titles then that imo, explorer, skill hunter, drunkard, etc etc. My casual playing self is going to finish doing titles like that.

Captain Jordan

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Dec 2006

Vancouver

R/

15 Aug 2007 at 21:32 - 70

Quote:

Originally Posted by «Ripskin

There's better titles then that imo, explorer, skill hunter, drunkard, etc etc.

You're not fooling anyone, you only say that because you can't get the title.

One problem that arises from getting both titles is the fact that the person going for the title will have to be very careful when ressurecting their partner so as to not aggro the Charr and die. I think anyone going for the title will eventually die accidentally.

My Sweet Revenga

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

R/

15 Aug 2007 at 22:24 - 71

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheRaven

If that's the case, then Drop of Fear is using the exact method that I outlined in my original post.

- Remove all the tomes and other items that entered pre thru the hack.
- Remove the skills learned by the tome users.
- Close the PermaPre kidnapping exploit (other thread)

Drop of Fear seemed to imply in his post that he was using an entirely different method to achieve both titles. I hope that is the case and if so, I wish him well. If he's just using the hack or bought a tome from a hacker then I have no respect for his accomplishment.

Heh. Wouldn't it be funny if he's actually exploiting the reconnect feature. Prepare with 1 account char already with ldoa, and the other account char which will be aiming to get both titles. Intentionally disconnect/lagout the char getting both titles, that way if the ldoa char dies, he should be able to respawn. From some user accounts, the reconnect feature can be used up to at least 10 minutes after the initial lag out. Use the ldoa char to death level the charr (or whatever enemy mob). As soon as the creatures are high enough level, reconnect the 2nd char and kill the levelled creatures to split the XP. This certainly does sound like a slow as hell method to do it.

Too bad the reconnect feature has been disabled for now, otherwise it could be tested

??Ripskin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

Mo/

15 Aug 2007 at 23:15 - 72

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Jordan

You're not fooling anyone, you only say that because you can't get the title.

Damn

And actually I think that all the others are just better then GRINDGRINDGRINDGRINDAFKAFKAFKGRINDAFKAFKAFKGRIND etc etc.

Meat Axe

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

Brisbane, Australia

R/

16 Aug 2007 at 00:19 - 73

Quote:

Originally Posted by My Sweet Revenga

Heh. Wouldn't it be funny if he's actually exploiting the reconnect feature. Prepare with 1 account char already with ldoa, and the other account char which will be aiming to get both titles. Intentionally disconnect/lagout the char getting both titles, that way if the ldoa char dies, he should be able to respawn. From some user accounts, the reconnect feature can be used up to at least 10 minutes after the initial lag out. Use the ldoa char to death level the charr (or whatever enemy mob). As soon as the creatures are high enough level, reconnect the 2nd char and kill the levelled creatures to split the XP. This certainly does sound like a slow as hell method to do it.

Too bad the reconnect feature has been disabled for now, otherwise it could be tested

That's not possible. When disconnected, your character is still in the game, it just isn't doing anything. Someone with a disconnected partner won't resurrect, since a res shrine requires everybody to be dead.

I am quite interested to find out how Drop of Fear would be doing this. However, I would never actually try it. I got my LDoA, and I'm getting Legendary Survivor on another char, and I'm hoping that the Hall of Monuments is account based (since in the screenshot of the armour monument, it shows armours of different classes as well as different genders, I'm thinking that this is a possibility).

Linksys

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

09 Oct 2007 at 21:19 - 74

Tomes i pre-searing? One way to fix that. Anet can make only skills available in pre-searing work in pre-searing.

October Jade

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

drifting between Indiana and NorCal

09 Oct 2007 at 21:31 - 75

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linksys

Tomes i pre-searing? One way to fix that. Anet can make only skills available in pre-searing work in pre-searing.

"I'm casting Banish on Linksys!"

Seriously...this thread has been inactive for almost two months. Why bring it back now? It's not like having tomes in presearing is going to ruin all of GW. I'd place this issue somewhere around #812 on the list of things that require ANet's attention.

Linksys

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

09 Oct 2007 at 21:32 - 76

I didn't know the last reply was from August. I saw this thread linked in another thread and thought it was still active too. I'd appreciate if I don't get banned because Jade called for it since it was an accident on my part.

TheRaven

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Virginia

Spirit of Elisha

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09 Oct 2007 at 21:36 - 77

lol, I'd forgotten about this thread. Hey Drop of Fear, are you out there reading this? How's the title hunt coming?

Regarding tomes, A-net already fixed this about a month or 2 ago. There was a loophole in which tomes (and other high-end non-pre items) were smuggled into pre somehow. I'm not sure of the exact method used, only that it involved mapping to the battle isles somehow.

A-net closed the loophole and banished all characters in pre with the contraband items. I think they sent all the characters to post.

Drop of Fear

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

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09 Oct 2007 at 21:44 - 78

not going good. i pushed it hard trying to afk it and miserably died at level 17 1/2. then eotn came i saw that HoM is character based, sadly.
gonna try again after eotn hard mode, to kill time till guild wars 2.

October Jade

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

drifting between Indiana and NorCal

09 Oct 2007 at 21:44 - 79

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linksys

I'd appreciate if I don't get banned because Jade called for it since it was an accident on my part.

I was just being sardonic. No need to worry; I do not have those sorts of powers anyway. I'm simply another Joe Forumgoer like most everyone else here.

*ponders schemingly*

Though if I did, I'd probably save my harshest castigations for offenses much more egregious than this.

Linksys

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

09 Oct 2007 at 21:47 - 80

Okay I didn't see that at first. I just read in the other thread concerning presearing that the original poster actually got banned in Guild Wars because someone else said he had tomes in there. If I checked to see the date of the last post, I wouldn't have replied to this one. I never intentionally bring up old threads.