ritualist skill changes...
careyt
a good thing or a bad thing? with the recent skills changes they have now added exhaustion to certain ritualist skills. I personally believe this isn't good, it leaves builds unbalanced and seriously ganks any real energy management that the ritualist had to begin with. I don't see how this is a good thing, but we'll see. Maybe I'll just get frustrated and stop using a rit as much...
Omniclasm
I say the skills are overpowered now. Look at Dissonance for instance. Can be kept up constantly and constantly interrupts. For 10 energy + a little exhaustion.
Edit: Removed Redundancy.
The exhaustion will most likely not even effect you if you only have one of these skills on your bar, which normally you couldn't afford to have two of them on your bar at once due to them using ALL of your energy, now you can use them and hardly feel it. Atleast that is how I see it. People can cry about the Wielder's Strike exhaustion, but come on, that is a lot of damage.
Edit: Removed Redundancy.
The exhaustion will most likely not even effect you if you only have one of these skills on your bar, which normally you couldn't afford to have two of them on your bar at once due to them using ALL of your energy, now you can use them and hardly feel it. Atleast that is how I see it. People can cry about the Wielder's Strike exhaustion, but come on, that is a lot of damage.
lacasner
Idk, to me setting spirits was never fun so I'm indifferent to it.
the Puppeteer
ahhh - the fun of spamming spirits... - one fire storm and they are OUT! No one complained...
But those touchers! "Live on" anet says
If you really have to nerf spirits - add health degeneration like the minions have...
But those touchers! "Live on" anet says
If you really have to nerf spirits - add health degeneration like the minions have...
GloryFox
The amount of exhaustion additions is a bit too much IMO. Furthermore they did not return Blood Song to Communing and move AWL to channeling.
Splinter Weapon NERF made it undesirable by most PvE groups now. NOT unusable just undesirable.
Splinter Weapon NERF made it undesirable by most PvE groups now. NOT unusable just undesirable.
Ultra Mega
Splinter Weapon was incorrect. The duration got decreased to 20s, not the recharge increasing.
There was a typo and everyone assumed it was one thing when it is another.
There was a typo and everyone assumed it was one thing when it is another.
street peddler
well this sucks...........................too many exhaustion skills now..
ShadowsRequiem
I dont really like it at all..... I mean the spirits were at 25 e each thats why no one ever used them, 25e for a spirit to go up and die in a few seconds from aoe...
I understand eles exhaustion, meteor shower makes sense, a 5e weapon spell doesnt at all.
I understand eles exhaustion, meteor shower makes sense, a 5e weapon spell doesnt at all.
natuxatu
Yeah the exhaustion in my mind really only counters the fact that ele have energy storage as well... for ritualist it just seems silly... I mean we'll see how plays out I guess.. i wasn't really effected by it but suddenly i had exhaustion and was like "what the..??" but that's about it.
Dallcingi
Bye bye ritpsike *sniff sniff*
sindex
It’s like A-net knew that spirit spamming was one of the key figures to a Rit. Then after some careful deliberation (not really), they wanted to force people to play new ways with the Rit.
A-net Programmer 1: I hate to say it, but these spirit spammers are redundant in my opinion; even though they are easier to take out then minions. I say we nerf them to hell, just like we did to some other skills in the past.
A-net Programmer 2: What about the community and PvE’ers?
A-net Programmer 1: Well EotN is coming out soon, so this will force those PvE’ers to buy the game. So they can have the new PvE skills as a fix. Second the true GW community will shun all those appose to the idea, and root out the true non-believers. I mean it’s a win-win situation if you ask me.
A-net Programmer 1: I hate to say it, but these spirit spammers are redundant in my opinion; even though they are easier to take out then minions. I say we nerf them to hell, just like we did to some other skills in the past.
A-net Programmer 2: What about the community and PvE’ers?
A-net Programmer 1: Well EotN is coming out soon, so this will force those PvE’ers to buy the game. So they can have the new PvE skills as a fix. Second the true GW community will shun all those appose to the idea, and root out the true non-believers. I mean it’s a win-win situation if you ask me.
Phantom Gun
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Originally Posted by sindex
It’s like A-net knew that spirit spamming was one of the key figures to a Rit. Then after some careful deliberation (not really), they wanted to force people to play new ways with the Rit.
A-net Programmer 1: I hate to say it, but these spirit spammers are redundant in my opinion; even though they are easier to take out then minions. I say we nerf them to hell, just like we did to some other skills in the past. A-net Programmer 2: What about the community and PvE’ers? A-net Programmer 1: Well EotN is coming out soon, so this will force those PvE’ers to buy the game. So they can have the new PvE skills as a fix. Second the true GW community will shun all those appose to the idea, and root out the true non-believers. I mean it’s a win-win situation if you ask me. |
Calen The Civl
Exhaustion does not seem to be a very well thought out solution to the ritualist. Although I will with hold my final opinion until after I test things.
I would have preferred to see the spirits completely reworked with charges associated with them instead of health; spawning power would be adjusted to increases charges per attribute level. After all, it makes little sense to be able to physically attack something that is spiritual. Counter skills could be devised with the charge system that could cause damage (with a minimum damage amount to make the skills generically usable) while costing spirits their charges to increase the damage upon the target.
Perhaps something like this:
Spiritual Pain : Target foe and nearby foes takes 15...63 damage. For each spirit within earshot of the foe, each spirit loses 1 - 3 charges and foes take an additional 5 damage for each charge lost on each spirit.
The offensive spirits would have a certain amount of charges as well before they disappear. Charges would replace health and duration times for each spirit.
Spirits would become immune all types of damage except non elemental damage. A few more skills would have to be tweaked to remove charges from spirits in order to allow more balance. Perhaps even a ranger spirit could be tweaked to place limitations on charge amounts.
It is just a rather undeveloped idea some other posters have suggested.
At least some of the skills can be usable with the energy decreases.
I would have preferred to see the spirits completely reworked with charges associated with them instead of health; spawning power would be adjusted to increases charges per attribute level. After all, it makes little sense to be able to physically attack something that is spiritual. Counter skills could be devised with the charge system that could cause damage (with a minimum damage amount to make the skills generically usable) while costing spirits their charges to increase the damage upon the target.
Perhaps something like this:
Spiritual Pain : Target foe and nearby foes takes 15...63 damage. For each spirit within earshot of the foe, each spirit loses 1 - 3 charges and foes take an additional 5 damage for each charge lost on each spirit.
The offensive spirits would have a certain amount of charges as well before they disappear. Charges would replace health and duration times for each spirit.
Spirits would become immune all types of damage except non elemental damage. A few more skills would have to be tweaked to remove charges from spirits in order to allow more balance. Perhaps even a ranger spirit could be tweaked to place limitations on charge amounts.
It is just a rather undeveloped idea some other posters have suggested.
At least some of the skills can be usable with the energy decreases.
seraphite86
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Originally Posted by sindex
A-net Programmer 1: Well EotN is coming out soon, so this will force those PvE’ers to buy the game. So they can have the new PvE skills as a fix. Second the true GW community will shun all those appose to the idea, and root out the true non-believers. I mean it’s a win-win situation if you ask me.
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So back on track: Does that Izzy fellow still do the skill balances?
TGgold
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So back on track: Does that Izzy fellow still do the skill balances? |
Rogue2468
This exchaustion is rediculas for PvE I even looked at the Glyphs they will not work they only work on spells and spirits are Binding Rituals so there are really no skills that can help with this energy loss casue of the exchaustion great job anet het why dont you just make the weapon spells have exchaustion then at least the glyphs would work.
seraphite86
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Who else could have created this?
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My Green Storage
I play Rit in PVE which I usually have Wanderlust and Dissonance equipt, but for both to have Exhaust, when I read the update notes.
WTF?
WTF?
fenix
So many people bash Izzy, because they have no understanding of PvP. These changes are because of PvP. That is what Izzy bases his changes on. PvP. Not PvE. There are a few instances of PvE changes, but the majority arent.
If changes were left up to you guys, we would see Protective Bond back in the game, and monsters not running from AOE.
If changes were left up to you guys, we would see Protective Bond back in the game, and monsters not running from AOE.
LumpOfCole
I don't think Elite Spirits should have Exhaust slapped on them. However, I do appreciate Anet trying to make Rits think more creatively.
I say that for every 4 points in Spawning Power, one additional energy from exhaust is recovered per tick. This achieves what Anet is trying to do while making it not-so-ridiculous on Rits who have smaller mana pools than eles.
Exhaustion reduces the character's maximum energy. When exhaustion occurs, the caster loses 10 maximum energy. Maximum energy is recovered at a rate of 1 point of energy every 3 seconds as default. I propose this:
Spawning Power <4: 1 point of maximum energy every 3 seconds
Spawning Power 4-7: 2 points of maximum energy every 3 seconds
Spawning Power 8-11: 3 points of maximum energy every 3 seconds
Spawning Power 12-15: 4 points of maximum energy every 3 seconds
Spawning Power 16+: 5 points of maximum energy every 3 seconds
I think everyone wins with that scenario.
I say that for every 4 points in Spawning Power, one additional energy from exhaust is recovered per tick. This achieves what Anet is trying to do while making it not-so-ridiculous on Rits who have smaller mana pools than eles.
Exhaustion reduces the character's maximum energy. When exhaustion occurs, the caster loses 10 maximum energy. Maximum energy is recovered at a rate of 1 point of energy every 3 seconds as default. I propose this:
Spawning Power <4: 1 point of maximum energy every 3 seconds
Spawning Power 4-7: 2 points of maximum energy every 3 seconds
Spawning Power 8-11: 3 points of maximum energy every 3 seconds
Spawning Power 12-15: 4 points of maximum energy every 3 seconds
Spawning Power 16+: 5 points of maximum energy every 3 seconds
I think everyone wins with that scenario.
Shadis
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Originally Posted by fenix
So many people bash Izzy, because they have no understanding of PvP. These changes are because of PvP. That is what Izzy bases his changes on. PvP. Not PvE. There are a few instances of PvE changes, but the majority arent.
If changes were left up to you guys, we would see Protective Bond back in the game, and monsters not running from AOE. |
Believe it or not, a lot of PvE Players care about balance in their preferred game type, they're just sick and tired of having their characters KILLED because of PvP Changes. That's another discussion entirely though.
Evilsod
I can understand the addition of exhaustion to some of the skills... but adding it to the spirits was completely RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing retarded. Especially as some of these spirits will all exist within the same build! Getting 90 seconds worth of exhaustion for casting 3 spirits, 1 of which lasts *25* seconds is completely ott.
LifeInfusion
the exhaustion bit was a bit over the top. Some skills like ancestor's rage aren't that bad with it given the similarity to chain lightning
A skill like wielder's strike does not need exhaustion...
Spirits on the other hand...you cannot use glyph of energy so they are basically relegated to 30 second pseudo recharges
The two elites that were hardly used before will probably not get used now, mainly because they rely on the opponent(s) targetting even when the spells are active sort of like Vengeful was Khanhei:
"Defiant Was Xinrae: decreased Energy cost to 5; decreased recharge time to 5 seconds; increased duration to 5..15 seconds; this Skill now causes Exhaustion."
"Xinrae's Weapon: decreased Energy cost to 10; decreased recharge time to 10 seconds; this skill now causes Exhaustion."
A skill like wielder's strike does not need exhaustion...
Spirits on the other hand...you cannot use glyph of energy so they are basically relegated to 30 second pseudo recharges
The two elites that were hardly used before will probably not get used now, mainly because they rely on the opponent(s) targetting even when the spells are active sort of like Vengeful was Khanhei:
"Defiant Was Xinrae: decreased Energy cost to 5; decreased recharge time to 5 seconds; increased duration to 5..15 seconds; this Skill now causes Exhaustion."
"Xinrae's Weapon: decreased Energy cost to 10; decreased recharge time to 10 seconds; this skill now causes Exhaustion."
sindex
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Originally Posted by fenix
So many people bash Izzy, because they have no understanding of PvP. These changes are because of PvP. That is what Izzy bases his changes on. PvP. Not PvE. There are a few instances of PvE changes, but the majority arent.
If changes were left up to you guys, we would see Protective Bond back in the game, and monsters not running from AOE. |
It come full circle you know, and it’s not always just about the PvP’ers opinion.
Kasumi Mizushima
I for one welcome the changes, for the most part. Some of the skills really needed the nerf (Vital Weapon, anyone?). Some weren't badly hurt anyway (Splinter Weapon). The spirits especially add an interesting choice (I can keep up Anguish, or Disenchantment, or Dissonance on a Painful Bond build now). Some I disagree with (Wanderlust didn't need Exhaustion unless they remove the damage it takes when it works). All in all, I think it was a good thing, and I'm certainly not passing out pitchforks like some people are suggesting.
For what it's worth, I've been playing a ritualist since there have been ritualists to play, so weigh my opinions as you will.
For what it's worth, I've been playing a ritualist since there have been ritualists to play, so weigh my opinions as you will.
HyperLimited
This update for rits seems rather silly. I just look at every updated skill with "This skill now causes exhaustion." at the end of it, and I just laugh.
I guess I'll spend some time tomorrow trying to work around it. My favorite channeling build I use in PvE is now crap, so that has me upset. I always thought exhaustion was good staying as a side-effect for eles only, but now it seems all spellcasters are susceptible to it now. Everyone I've talked to so far seems to be in an uproar about this update.
I guess I'll spend some time tomorrow trying to work around it. My favorite channeling build I use in PvE is now crap, so that has me upset. I always thought exhaustion was good staying as a side-effect for eles only, but now it seems all spellcasters are susceptible to it now. Everyone I've talked to so far seems to be in an uproar about this update.
Evilsod
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Originally Posted by LifeInfusion
The two elites that were hardly used before will probably not get used now, mainly because they rely on the opponent(s) targetting even when the spells are active sort of like Vengeful was Khanhei:
"Defiant Was Xinrae: decreased Energy cost to 5; decreased recharge time to 5 seconds; increased duration to 5..15 seconds; this Skill now causes Exhaustion." "Xinrae's Weapon: decreased Energy cost to 10; decreased recharge time to 10 seconds; this skill now causes Exhaustion." |
Marth Reynolds
Don't liek this part either, exhaustion is lousy for rits for 2 reasons:
)rits don't have as high mana as eles and will be hit hard with exhaustion
)Some spirits now cause exhaustion and glyph of energy can't even prevent that :/
)rits don't have as high mana as eles and will be hit hard with exhaustion
)Some spirits now cause exhaustion and glyph of energy can't even prevent that :/
Henchman
In every online game I ever played (America's Army, Soldat..), people always hated campers (those who sit in one place and don't move at all). When Factions came out, Guild Wars was introduced to its type of campers: Spirit Campers (I cal them Spirit Campers, not Spirit Spammers). Having to play against someone who just likes to spam Spirits and camp in one place is about as much fun as playing against someone who packs nothing but running skills.
I hated them from day 1, and although it took them a long while, Anet finally did something about them.
The only thing I could argue about is how Anet decided to stop them. Instead of adding exhaustion, I would have thought to limit the number of spirits a player can have active, or perhaps after casting a spirit, all other spirit spells are disabled for 15 seconds..
None the less, I'm so glad they're gone- back to the arenas for me..
I hated them from day 1, and although it took them a long while, Anet finally did something about them.
The only thing I could argue about is how Anet decided to stop them. Instead of adding exhaustion, I would have thought to limit the number of spirits a player can have active, or perhaps after casting a spirit, all other spirit spells are disabled for 15 seconds..
None the less, I'm so glad they're gone- back to the arenas for me..
Buzzer
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I can understand the addition of exhaustion to some of the skills... but adding it to the spirits was completely RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing retarded. Especially as some of these spirits will all exist within the same build! Getting 90 seconds worth of exhaustion for casting 3 spirits, 1 of which lasts *25* seconds is completely ott.
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Dahnel
Anet, Please F'ing understand that WE DO NOT WANT TO BE MELEE !
*points at all the highly suspect Spirits Strengths related Buffs, then points to Nerfing of everything NOT spirits strength*
Ffs we have warriors for a reason.
*points at all the highly suspect Spirits Strengths related Buffs, then points to Nerfing of everything NOT spirits strength*
Ffs we have warriors for a reason.
Cebe
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Originally Posted by GloryFox
Splinter Weapon NERF made it undesirable by most PvE groups now. NOT unusable just undesirable.
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Don't liek this part either, exhaustion is lousy for rits for 2 reasons:
)rits don't have as high mana as eles and will be hit hard with exhaustion )Some spirits now cause exhaustion and glyph of energy can't even prevent that :/ |
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Perhaps one day ANet will look at a useless Rit Skill and completely re-work it...like...oh I dunno....Clamour of Souls! For every spirit within earshot you lose 1...3 points of exhaustion.
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Personally I find the offensive binding ritual exhaustion addition to not matter that much. The Luxon/Kurzick PvE skill Summon Spirits means you don't *have* to keep recasting spirits if you don't leave them where they will get hit.
The only change that saddens me so far is Ancestor's Rage, but it's something we need to learn to live with.
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Originally Posted by Dahnel
Anet, Please F'ing understand that WE DO NOT WANT TO BE MELEE !
*points at all the highly suspect Spirits Strengths related Buffs, then points to Nerfing of everything NOT spirits strength* Ffs we have warriors for a reason. |
FoxBat
The exhaustion changes look like a *buff* to me as far as spirits go. They all hit 25e spirits which you couldn't have more than one on your bar anyway, and it isn't like you could resummon said spirits before exhaustion. Now you have more energy left on your bar when you use them since they've been cheapened. Plus pure spirit spammers using wanderlust + 25e offense spirit were kinda overpowered in 4v4 and way boring everywhere.
I'll agree that exhaustion on ancestor's rage seems like overkill. Yes, the spike needs to die, but that basically kills it on channeling weapon rits too.
Splinter weapon nerf is to cut down on vod issues, before you could weapon the entire party up and go to town on archers, thats become a bit harder to do now.
I'll agree that exhaustion on ancestor's rage seems like overkill. Yes, the spike needs to die, but that basically kills it on channeling weapon rits too.
Splinter weapon nerf is to cut down on vod issues, before you could weapon the entire party up and go to town on archers, thats become a bit harder to do now.
pingu666
you might be able to get away with 1 exhaustion coursing spell., exhaustion is 10 energy taken from the top of your bar...and takes 30seconds to wear off i think.
exhaustion related skills are also quiet bad.
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Second_Wind
exhaustion related skills are also quiet bad.
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Second_Wind
Y.T.
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Originally Posted by sindex
It’s like A-net knew that spirit spamming was one of the key figures to a Rit. Then after some careful deliberation (not really), they wanted to force people to play new ways with the Rit.
A-net Programmer 1: I hate to say it, but these spirit spammers are redundant in my opinion; even though they are easier to take out then minions. I say we nerf them to hell, just like we did to some other skills in the past. A-net Programmer 2: What about the community and PvE’ers? A-net Programmer 1: Well EotN is coming out soon, so this will force those PvE’ers to buy the game. So they can have the new PvE skills as a fix. Second the true GW community will shun all those appose to the idea, and root out the true non-believers. I mean it’s a win-win situation if you ask me. |
its totally horrible to have 2-3 skills on ur bar casuing exaustion while u dont have the same energy bar eles have. i see no reason why anet decided to ruin channeling AoE - forming a team in desolation in beyong f/ex u cant just take a rit who will spam ancestors rage anymore, anet makes u to choose diff damage dealer, channeling was heavily nerfed for no obvious reason...
vergerefosh
It does seem like a lot of exhaustion has been handed out. Admittedly, I don't play rit, but one suggestion is to link number of spirits to spawning power, or whatever the main spirit att is, so that more in that attribute = more spirits, but possibly have a lower cap. Not perfect, but may work
Sazgo
What annoys me is that they nerfed channeling which is pretty much one of the only viable things a rit can do at high level pve right now without fixing or looking at the other problems.
Arcane echoed spiritrift/ancestors rage build is one of the few builds that could get you into a group in one of the elementalists place, but this is ofc now useless. Cant really take a monks spot because simply you cant prevent damage like one and resto lacks the heal party/lod, condition and hex removal. There is many overlooked problems right now.
The defensive spirits on hardmode for example. Its pretty disgusting when using 2 sup runes and casting a 5 second casttime 25 energy 45 recharge spell to watch the spirit disappear 1-2 later before its coming out of ground animation is even complete. Its totally broken and they need to be reworked so they dont scale so much with amount of enemys/attack speed like this. Switching the game to hardmode just totally makes that aspect of the ritualist so much more worse and almost useless.
Alot of playing the ritualist in pve right now is about trying to convince people and persuade them to let you into their group. It shouldnt be like this.
They should be nerfing the more cookie cutter pve builds and classes sometimes instead of just turning the unused ones into more useless crap.
I really hope rits get some crazy pve skills in GWEN.
Arcane echoed spiritrift/ancestors rage build is one of the few builds that could get you into a group in one of the elementalists place, but this is ofc now useless. Cant really take a monks spot because simply you cant prevent damage like one and resto lacks the heal party/lod, condition and hex removal. There is many overlooked problems right now.
The defensive spirits on hardmode for example. Its pretty disgusting when using 2 sup runes and casting a 5 second casttime 25 energy 45 recharge spell to watch the spirit disappear 1-2 later before its coming out of ground animation is even complete. Its totally broken and they need to be reworked so they dont scale so much with amount of enemys/attack speed like this. Switching the game to hardmode just totally makes that aspect of the ritualist so much more worse and almost useless.
Alot of playing the ritualist in pve right now is about trying to convince people and persuade them to let you into their group. It shouldnt be like this.
They should be nerfing the more cookie cutter pve builds and classes sometimes instead of just turning the unused ones into more useless crap.
I really hope rits get some crazy pve skills in GWEN.
Arden Kindlecorpse
There goes the days of me reading about nerfs with blissful ignorance...
Yes, I am slow to warm to new professions and possibly even slower to really experiment with the range of skills. It was to my pleasant surprise when I came up with a combo of skills that satisfied my PvE cravings for the Rit. I started ploughing through the campaigns with renewed vigour. Switching on the PC for some Friday-night escapism, I watched with growing dread the grey creeping its way across my mana bar. Only 2 skills out of the set nerfed, but I guess that's like saying only one tyre is flat.
I realise the nerfs are needed for balance and the overall benefit of the game, but thought I'd add my own small experience in case the developers take a peek. The combination of exhaustion and low total mana effectively removes the use of a number of Rit skills.
</carebear whinge>
Yes, I am slow to warm to new professions and possibly even slower to really experiment with the range of skills. It was to my pleasant surprise when I came up with a combo of skills that satisfied my PvE cravings for the Rit. I started ploughing through the campaigns with renewed vigour. Switching on the PC for some Friday-night escapism, I watched with growing dread the grey creeping its way across my mana bar. Only 2 skills out of the set nerfed, but I guess that's like saying only one tyre is flat.
I realise the nerfs are needed for balance and the overall benefit of the game, but thought I'd add my own small experience in case the developers take a peek. The combination of exhaustion and low total mana effectively removes the use of a number of Rit skills.
</carebear whinge>
Cebe
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Arcane echoed spiritrift/ancestors rage build is one of the few builds that could get you into a group in one of the elementalists place, but this is ofc now useless. Cant really take a monks spot because simply you cant prevent damage like one and resto lacks the heal party/lod, condition and hex removal. There is many overlooked problems right now.
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The defensive spirits on hardmode for example. Its pretty disgusting when using 2 sup runes and casting a 5 second casttime 25 energy 45 recharge spell to watch the spirit disappear 1-2 later before its coming out of ground animation is even complete. Its totally broken and they need to be reworked so they dont scale so much with amount of enemys/attack speed like this. Switching the game to hardmode just totally makes that aspect of the ritualist so much more worse and almost useless.
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Originally Posted by Sazgo
They should be nerfing the more cookie cutter pve builds and classes sometimes instead of just turning the unused ones into more useless crap.
I really hope rits get some crazy pve skills in GWEN. |
By the way, anyone who wont let you in their party because you're a Rit isn't worth PuGing with.
Sarevok Thordin
To PvErs going about the balances.
There once was a thing called Rit Spike in PvP, it had 1 Rit smack Vital Weapon on the whole team. The whole team then went out and spiked with Wielders Strike for stupid amounts of damage. For everything else, there was Spirit Burn, and Spirit Rift and god knows what else because I usually slaughtered them before letting them goto town.
Another variant involved a N/A with Shadow Prison that would go in, snare someone and then everyone would cast Ancestor's Rage on their Ally Necro, destroying the unlucky target (Sometimes two or more if they were bunched up).
In amongest all this there was tons of very annoying spirits to deal with, most of which got exhaustion.
This is why it had to be nerfed, it was a cancer in PvP.
There once was a thing called Rit Spike in PvP, it had 1 Rit smack Vital Weapon on the whole team. The whole team then went out and spiked with Wielders Strike for stupid amounts of damage. For everything else, there was Spirit Burn, and Spirit Rift and god knows what else because I usually slaughtered them before letting them goto town.
Another variant involved a N/A with Shadow Prison that would go in, snare someone and then everyone would cast Ancestor's Rage on their Ally Necro, destroying the unlucky target (Sometimes two or more if they were bunched up).
In amongest all this there was tons of very annoying spirits to deal with, most of which got exhaustion.
This is why it had to be nerfed, it was a cancer in PvP.