If you aren't buying GW:EN...why not?

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I'm not buying it because of PvE skills that are tied to title tracks.

It's funny I found this thread tonight, after one of the my most frustrating nights in GW history.

Just warning you, this is going to turn into a rant.

We get to halls, after an almost full run. We're well on the way to winning when myself and our infuser err7 on King of the Hill. Ahh it's okay, we'll reconnect , only wasting a few seconds. oh WAIT, that's right. Someone dupped items and now we can't reconnect anymore. Re-enter the MOST frustrating part in Guild Wars, inability to reconnect, while plagued by err7's. Each team loses 2 players...how the hell is that fun? Just ruins the entire gameplay. Another thing in HA..why does it take so much damn time to balance skills? And with each balance, why does a build always have to get decimated, instead of getting a decent enough nerf to keep it competitive, but not overpowered. Here's a good example - Rit Spike. Instead of decreasing the damage, inscreasing casting time or something of the sort..every RT spike skill has to cause exhaustion now? What the hell is this, just because you took forever to fix something doesn't mean you have to destroy it when you finally decide to do SOMETHING about it. And btw, call me a rit spike noob if you want to. The fact is I'm not a big fan of RT spike but I enjoy the challenge of facing it. Seeing a build decimated does not make me happy.

To hell with HA, time to vanquish, which is, I must say, one of the most boring things I have ever done. Mindless half-asleep droning through a zone, with the occasional wipe because my head slipped off my hand and now I have a bruise to show for it. No biggie right, we'll rez at the shrine. Oh crap, right in the middle of 4 corsair groups, including 2 bosses. What in the hell was Anet thinking when they put that shrine there, especially for HARD MODE. (Barbarous shore, im sure I'm not the only one that had fun with that one). I'm the first to admit, Anet succeeded in making HM HARDER, but it does NOT require you to think better. Perfect example - DoA. The only difference is, your monks need to be a tad more awake this time through. You can talk to me all you want about strategy, etc, but the fact is 2 people with 2 monk heros and the rest SF heros can blow through any zone, with a few minor problems. By the way, did I mention I err7'd after we BARELY managed to clear out those groups by the shrines? Sorry, but I find nothing fun in this. Even if I didn't err, the pure stupidity of that shrine's location infuriates me.

That rant brings me to a second one - titles. Hey guys, here's an idea. We ran out of things to keep people entertained, so let's throw in these lame ass attempts at keeping people busy and grinding until we manage to throw out our next half-baked project, full with mistakes, expoits, and just shit we purely forgot to put in because we were too busy sitting back and laughing. Sure, noone says you HAVE to get the titles. But honestly, tell me what else there is to do? Farming? Loot-scaling, lag, etc has made farming so goddamn tedious. IMO, almost nothing is worth the time it takes to farm nowadays. Defend this all you want with the argument that you can make like 5K per item. Sure, you can, after an hour of spamming in Kamadan. I miss the days of spending 4-5 hours farming Urgoz (which was actually fun) for the 1/12 (if that, math + me = fail) chance of getting his Longbow, and selling it in 5 minutes for 100K +85 ecto, when ecto were actually worth good money.

Anyways, back to titles. You guys advocating titles are correct - there are only a few titles that you need to really develop to get good gains from the pVe only skills; this doesn't take too much either, you can get LB and SS points up to like lvl 8 just going about your regular business. This argument considered, you can't seriously believe the rest of the lame ass, half-baked (yes, I'm using this term a lot - it's a polite way of saying shitty) titles aren't being shoved in our faces. And yes, they are grinding. Drunkard title? Please, you need to have a lot of money and a whooole lot of bloody time to get this accomplished. This and the sweet tooth title aren't nearly as bad as other titles such as the Cartographer titles - you only risk getting carpel tunnel from all the damn clicking. 99.4%? Come ooooon, if it weren't for nice people to check your maps for you, you'd be doing this for ages, ultimately pulling your own hair out and probably commiting suicide. This goes hand in hand with vanquisher, guardian, lucky/unlucky, kurzick/luxon, blah blah blah. They're all just filler. And now, on top of it all, they're incorporated into the Favor system. GG Anet, SO creative. And OH, we get bonuses in GW2 because of our titles. I don't know if you realize how catastrophic this could be. Say for example, these titles give us little to no advantage in GW2. People are going to be PISSED for wasting so much time on their titles. If the bonuses are great, then new people to GW2 are going to quit because they're getting whooped by people who have their leetskeet "titles". What a bunch of crap.

This brings me to my last point ... why is it that all the faithful, long-term, VERY involved GW players are repeatedly getting slapped in the face? Elona -- inscribable items -- bye bye item value. HM -- rare skins drop like crazy -- bye bye item value. So many people had spent months farming, or trading their way up to the rare items they wanted, so they can show off and have some pride in their accomplishments. Now any newbie (not insulting new players here, just stating a point) with a 55hp monk and a bloody -50hp, or an A/E can go out and farm themselves a Collossal Scimitar, Ele Sword, or go chest running for a Magma's or an Eternal. I agree some equality is in order, but this was SUCH an overkill IMO. And finally, the biggest insult - not being able to carry over our money, armors, etc to GW2. It's like we're all being abandoned and forced to do these damn titles so we have something to show for 2yrs + of dedication. True enough, noone knows the full extent of what will be transferrable, and I agree being able to carry over money will furstrate new players - but this is just not the way it should be done.

To conclude this super-long and most likely extremely incoherent rant ... I will be buying GWEN. Why? Because I want to finish the GW series. I'm also looking forward to seeing where Anet will screw up next. I'd also like to clarify I'm not entirely bashing Anet..they had an amazing game going, until they apparently stopped caring, or least definately decreased the effort they put into their plans for this game. I feel like a guinea pig for GW2, which was their plan all along. Between skill balances, new content, failure to correct problems such as err7, ridiculous nerfs and drop tweaks, GW has gone WAY downhill and I don't believe it will ever go back to what it was.

Thanks to anyone who took the time to read this. I believe I've expressed about every feeling I've had inside me conserning this game. After tonight, I needed a rant. It was building up this this, had to come out :P

I'll get it. Just to kill more Charr!!

I'm gonna buy GW:EN 100% sure.

But.. First.. I need to get unbanned...

~Prof.

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Even If U want to use the title based PvE skills U dont have to max out the titles. I use the Suspear PvE skills at lvl 7-8 and it is more then enough (the max is 10). To reach lvl 7-8 sunspear titles you dont have to grind. It is simply enough to almost complete Nightfall.

I am playing GW for 2 years and never grinded a minute.
I tried WoW, Linage2 as well and I could hardly play a month with them.

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There is NO Grind in Sunspear.

Level 7 is fine, and it requires a whopping 2,500 sunspear points. That's not finishing Nightfall, that's practically getting to the outpost.

Yes, Luxon and Kurzick are grind heavy titles, but then, I've NEVER been refused from a group for not having them.

As long as getting the PvE skills in GWEN is fun and not grind, I'll be happy.

I really don't care for the PvE skills all too much even though they may help I know I am not required to get them and I won't simply because I can find another skill to replace them. I don't mind being a guiniea pig for a game it basically means a a game tester. If I have to be a test pig so a company can make a better game I am all for it. I wish we could transfer our money and what not over but GW2 might have a different currency system and current armors most likely won't fit on the new classes. I personally wish the LB and SS titles would have been like the Lucky/unlucky or the Kurzick/Luxon titles, mainly account based instead of individual chars. So like the acct based title you could play any char to gain those titles. I am still getting GW:EN but GW2... depends what i am doing in r/l 1st

It's wait and see for me, mainly because of ANET's shift away from it's original ideals into grinding for stats (allegiance rank etc.) and paying real money for stats (unlocks, bonus items).

My biggest worry is how all the new PVE skills will be handled.

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looking forward to EOtN, and will most liek use the online store.

However, GW2-- not quite sold on yet. Im worried the game will become too much like WoW, which I did not find to be enjoyable.

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First, I'm buying GW:EN and I'm not really here to see who is or is not or the reasons in which they choose not to. I'm really here to address one thing about the franchise and it's issue with this release.

I think GW reached it's pinnacle not to long ago and it's operating cost compared to income ratio is going to hurt the players and the game fairly soon. I feel we will be seeing a good deal more technical troubles with this release. I know that lag issues in competitive play has taken a nice hit in population and gw is in it's final moments (meaning this last release, not the end of anet) is really focused on the pve players. I'm not a big pvper, but i do know thats were the money really is overall.

So in buying this expansion there is a bit of hope that anet can (or has the ability to) hold it together or face mass exodus during a great deal of strain on the already taxed servers. There comes a time in any system where a failure point is reached and anet might just be at it's limit. A good example is the *missing* stuff when Nightfall released and the many issues during those trying first few weeks... all the way to now, with the lag, downed servers and lost data.

This is not by any means a flame post about GW's. It has been/still is one of the best games I have played since the advent of the home pc. But it is still up in the air if I get GWEN or not. I really enjoy playing the game but alot of the things that made the game are old and boring, and I dont think I can take another 6-12 months of the same old type missions and title grinding while I wait for GW2. I have 6 chars that have made it through all 3 campaigns. All have either fow or 15k armour. All my heros have green or rare weapons and I have storage toons full of rare and green weapons that you cant give away or sale because management has made them all common and worthless. I dont blame Anet for the previous, they have an impossible task of keeping people interested in the game between episodes. And they do a good job of it, but this person needs a break from it for a while. Im sure one of the guys in the guild will eventually talk me into getting it, but it wont be for several months. I am looking forward to GW2 in the sense that It will be fun again to start with nothing and build up everything again, but there is only so much armor and weapons and experience, greens, golds, runes, ectos, dyes................................. you can get before it no longer is fun to go get more.

I'm having a hard time talking myself into ordering it. 80% of my guild have quit the game (won't be getting EN) and I'm barely playing any more. Why spend $50 for something I'll barely play? I don't have the energy nor the will to start over with a new guild and PvE on this game engine got boring for me a long time ago. $50 is a lot for a pure expansion. So yeah, unless I get very bored or some guildies regain interest in the game, I'll probably skip this one and keep an eye out for GW2.

Isn't it $39.95 (or something close to that), tho?

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At this point I haven't pre-ordered EotN and I have no intention of purchasing it, for the simple reason that I don't believe I would get my money's worth from it.

Well, it's not quite that simple. To break it down further, Anet has slowly changed the direction of GW over time, to the point of almost abandoning the competitive PvP experience that originally brought me to this game from WoW. All that seems to be left is a shallow PvE game, where the "content" is a list of bars to fill, titles to show and money to earn and spend. As Zinger points out, if I wanted to grind bars, I'd go back to WoW. At least when I fill up a reputation bar there I can buy gear upgrades for my character. But going on an assumption for a second, that's probably what they'll do with EotN.

This isn't surprising really, when you step back and look at most of GW's current playerbase. Instead of the competitive, PvP-orienteered playerbase it promised, it's now a game basically fuelled by people who would probably play WoW if it had no monthly fee (even if they sincerely claim they wouldn't). When people look to EotN as a bridge to GW2, I don't disagree but it's exactly that reason that I'm not buying it. From the info they've released on EotN and GW2, coupled with the game's direction over the last year (or more), it seems that Anet is most definitely pushing for WoW Lite (ala WoW with no monthly fee). And I already played the real deal, so no thanks.

As some people may be aware, there's a great new PvP game slated for release in early October: Fury. With a total focus on fast-paced, MMORPG-meets-FPS style combat and a pre-release competition with over $1000000 worth of prizes (Fury Challenge), Fury has already drawn a big chunk of GW's competitive PvP community to it's alpha and beta testing.

I walked into EB a few days ago and saw the EotN poster at the counter. I then took $10 out of my wallet and pre-ordered Fury.

Edit: In before "why do you read forums and post for a game you don't play". Well, correcting your assumption, I do still play GW, albeit rarely. My girlfriend started playing a short time ago (her first foray into the both gaming and online gaming at the same time), so when both of us have some spare some I work through Prophecies with her. If she eventually finds more time and plays through all the chapters and somehow becomes a GW nut, I may purchase EotN. But I asssume it'll be at least be on the throw-out table with a "50% off" sticker at EB by then.