Hell's Precipice

I'm looking for ideas on how to do this mission. I've tried three different groups. I know MM won't help here, and no fire Elementalist, although I do have the Winter skill. I'm Ranger. I try to pull carefully, but one or more of the Heroes always run out with me instead of staying behind to where I can return, so I don't get so many enemies. Those Fire Imps hit hard, and there are so many of the Fire enemies at one time in some areas.

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1) Wrong forum.

2a) Bring a Jagged Bones MM hero. When combined with Bone Minions and Shambling Horror, the JB MM hero can keep a decent-sized army even in areas with few to no corpses.

2b) Bring a Spiteful Spirit hero. Spiteful Spirit, Reckless Haste and Enfeebling Blood all have excellent synergy, and Barbs will make each of those weak minions' hits count, taking things down in record time.

3) Set your heroes to Guard. If they're set to Attack, they'll rush off when you snipe. Also, flag them back so they don't come with you (and thus are less likely to catch aggro when you retreat).

4) No matter what you do, target the Sparks first. They hit the hardest (because of AoE + burning) and they leave corpses for your MM to exploit. Interrupt them at all costs.

5) For henchmen, bring two monks, a tank and the mesmer. If you feel your frontline needs help (which I rarely do, considering the Jagged MM), take a second tank over the mesmer.

It was late when I posted this, and I did wonder why a search didn't turn up any information on this mission in this forum area. So, thanks for answering.

An MM is a complete waste... the only corpses in the area are Sparks of the Titans and yours... its definatly possibly to get corpses, but Risens use Strip Enchantment... REALLY not worth a slot.

I think Winter is still bugged, so don't use Kindle Arrows + Winter (my usual combo) and it pretty much makes Cynn useless. If it has been fixed then by all means use it.

Flag your heroes further back and spread them out a bit to avoid Rodgorts if the mob has Sparks.

Kill Burning Titans as the priority once all Sparks are dead, then just focus on 1 titan until all its forms are dead, Hands/Fists can overwhelm you easily.

How can you tell if Winter has been fixed? I did use that skill when I tried the mission. I couldn't tell.

Well if you hit a Winter + Kindle Arrow with 12 Wilderness the additional damage from Kindle should hit for 30 damage on a Hand/Fist of the Titan when they're using Healing Signet (yeah its random but its the only number i remember).
If Winter isn't working, you'll hit for absolutely bugger all, the difference is very obvious when it comes to Titans.

I couldn't tell if I was doing damage. How do you tell? All I know is the Sparks are killing my hero/hench group and no matter what I try, water, careful pulling, group defense skills, I'm still dying before I get to the Seer.

So, I give up on this mission. In fact, if EN is expected to be this hard, I won't be buying it. I've done three campaigns now and only finished one, Factions, where I was lucky to get into a good groupfor the last mission.

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Some of you guys, and gals, are amazing with your abilities to figure out how to do these harder missions. I do hours of looking at skills, reading about the missions, making decisions about which heroes and henchmen to group, trying to equip my heroes and myself with the best weapons and armor. And then entering the missions to get a feel for what to expect. I move slow, use my flag, try to pull carefully (I'm Ranger). And still, the only times I've finished these harder missions is when I've seen some good advice in the forums.

Sometimes I think I'm in the category of players who should just stay in WoW, or any easier game. But, I hate grinding. It's why I don't do the capping for elite skills. Actually, I did with my Ritualist, to get the one best skill. I also hated to see that Ritualist nerfed so I couldn't use her in Nightfall. I had that profession figured out pretty well.

But, I digress, I don't have the gold/platinum to pay someone to help me. I also hate farming.

p.s. Perhaps I need to be more clear about capping the elite skills. I just don't want to replace a skill with one of those caps (name of it?). I'm impatient, too.

On just about any mission, about the only two things you need are a longbow, and knowing how to flag.

Pull like you've been doing, just remember to flag your group a fairway back. If it might be a delicate pull, about two aggro circles back. If they're on the edge of your aggro bubble and you get attacked, the henchies will run in to help.

Also, don't take mass aoe unless you've got enough to wipe out everything, else you turn a 3 titan mob into a six titan mob.

And don't stand in lava. Your melee will already be burning, no need to have you monks burning too. Flag the henchies a way back and make sure to pull the armagedon lords to you. They, turn about and head back every so often, but as long as you ping them with an arrow now and again they'll follow you out.

At the portals, watch your back, titans will spawn from the lava and head for the portals. Either wait till they've all spawned so you don't get hit from behind (but now have more titans guarding the portals) or get there early and pick them off as they spawn. You could also try and sneak about to pick of the portal wraiths, but you'll be in trouble if you get caught by patrols and new spawns.

If you got a hero monk, restore conditions and some energy management skills will keep you fully healed. Most titans cause burning, the axes give deep wound and the swords bleed. Or don't have melee and you'll avoid most of that. Not much else too it.

Moved to correct forum, afterall Hell's Principle is not in Elonia ^^

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I also play a Ranger( Gwendolyn Star ), hells precipse is really not that hard of a mission, your a ranger, one of the most flexible and adaptable characters in the game, there is a build for every possible situation, you just need to have the right balanced party, and everyone needs to understsand their role, all the pulling should be done by a ranger, also make sure you have winter up at all times, prioritize your targets, Sparks of titan, hands of titan, fists of titan, and then the rest, make sure you equipment a couple of interupts like distracting shot and savage shot to disable their healing signets., i am usually on after 5 pm eastern standard time, give me a pm in game and i will be more than glad to give you a hand my in game name( Gwendolyn Star ).

Thank you.

I did all that you mentioned, pulled carefully, flagged, used Winter, fought the npc's in the correct order, use the two interrupts, but still somehow I get overwhelmed. Sometimes I think it's just best to let a mission go for a couple nights, before trying again.

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There is one trick to this mission that I didn't really mention because pretty much everyone knows it... but now that you say "overwhelmed" comes to mind.

After your first encounter with the Lich, there are two paths - south and east. Heading east, you cross onto an "island" where you first encounter Sparks. Further east are two more Sparks with two melee titans. After you defeat this group, DO NOT RUSH FORWARD! Instead, flag your heroes back and move forward, watching the radar and the screen in front of you. The boss should shout "Shith Mal Hacto!" which will cause the mobs from your immediate left to rush towards him. Run back, wait for them to move out of the way, then unflag everyone and proceed, slowly, along the eastern edges to remain out of the monsters' range.

If you already do this every time you try the mission and still get overwhelmed before getting to the Seer, the only possible problem spot I can think of is the mob of Sparks and necromancer Titans directly past the spot above. What you need to do is attack a Spark to have your heroes and henchies rush forward, interrupt it when it tries to use Rodgort's Invocation, and immediately switch targets so you can interrupt another Spark. The necromancer titans should be ignored, not just here but for the duration of the whole mission, because they are easily the least deadly of the bunch.

@ Evilsod: Actually, the Risen (necromancer) Titans leave corpses as well, and as I've already mentioned, Jagged Bones and Bone Minions and Shambling Horror all take advantage of even the minimal number of corpses. These minions will give Sparks and Titans more targets to focus on, which will spread damage around and preserve party members, even more so because the minions will keep replicating themselves. To stack the deck even further, I make both my MM and my SS N/Me, give each of them two cheap interrupts from the Inspiration line (Leech Signet and Power Drain), and let them aid in Spark disruption. There are very few places where this tactic has failed me, and all of them have been in Hard Mode areas with less than 8 party members. Yes, I did get through HM Hell's this way, and I wouldn't be recommending it if I hadn't.

And what does the Risen's use of Strip Enchantment have to do with MMing?

Thanks for another helpful strategy to try.

I've equipped my heroes with cold damage, all with interrupts, Frigid armor on Zhed, I use interrupt constantly, and I still can't fight the Sparks. They wipe my group out everytime, very fast. I try to flag group back and pull, but always get the whole group of the Sparks. I'm talking about the area far to the east, the path that leads south to the Seer.

Are all you guys sure you finished this? I've seen several ideas, but I must be missing something.

Could you tell us what build you and your heroes are using and what heroes you take? Perhaps there is some improvement there

Ok, I will enter detail here:

I'm Ranger/Monk, the Monk is for Rebirth so I can run away and come back to rez my fallen group. 12 Marksman, 12 Wilderness, 9 Expertise. Using: Icy Hornbow of Enchanting.
Winter, Favorable Winds (I choose Aidan/Archer for hench), Distracting Shot, Concussion Shot, Savage Shot, Whirling Defense and Troll Unguent. I could exchange Favorable Winds for Ignite Arrows since I'm using Winter. I don't have any elite skills.

Master of Whispers: using Deadly Cesta. 15 Deathmagic, 13 Soul Reaping. 4 minion spells, Soulfeast, Leech Signet, Power Drain.

Dunkoro: Protective Rod, 12 Protection, 12 Healing, 10 Divine Favor. Aegis, Divine Spirit, Heal Other, Healing Breeze, Purge Conditions, Remove Hex, Leech Signet and Resurrect.

Zhed: Water Staff, 14 Energy, 13 Water, 6 Inspire. Water Attunement, Aura of Restoration, Frigid Armor, Glyph of Lesser Energy, Blurred Vision, Ice Spikes, Freezing Gusts, Leech Signet.
Or
Koss: Heavy Ram's Hammer or Scimitar of Deathbane W/Kournan Defender Shield. 11 Hammer or Sword, 13 Strength, 7 Tactics.
Endure Pain, For Greater Justice, Watch Yourself, with Sword: Sever Artery, Gash, Distracting Blow. With Hammer, hammer spells.

Henchmen: Mhenlo for Healing, Aidan, and two other damage dealers, varies since I've tried this mission at least a dozen times.

I know to concentrate the group on one enemy at a time, and in the order recommended so not to get overwhelmed. The only mobs I have trouble with are the Sparks. They kill fast in spite of spamming the interrupts. I go slow, flag my group and try to pull carefully. The Sparks, however, seem to be joined, I can't get them separately. When two heroes go down, I flag my group to run away. By the time we get away, two to six more are taken down.

I've explained my experience the best I can. I have seen many suggestions and they vary, so I've tried many. I have a friend who plans to try this with me in a couple days. He hasn't done it yet either. I had done the two previous missions with just my heroes/henchmen, so I grouped with him to help him through those missions.

Ok, here are some of my comments:
Your build should work, keep FW in since you are using the ranger hench.
Changes: +expertice, - wilderness (you want winter up longer than 60 seconds, but that's it).
Tactic here: Focus your team on one sparc (perhaps daze that one first), while you as ranger switch to an other.

Whispers: I prefer Spitefull Spirit here on a necro, minions are not that usefull there.
If you don't have Spirit yet, consider taking Koss instead of Whispers.

Dunk: I don't like those kinds of dual-builds.
Leech signet also makes that you can't set the hero to 'avoid combat'.
I would recommend putting Reversal of Fortune and Protective spirit in the build. Swap Breeze and Divine Spirit for those two.
Make Dunk Mo/E and swap Leech sig for Glyph of Lesser Energy for E-management.

Zhed, since you are running water on him, you might want to check maelstrom. It shuts the casters down completely.
Also at least take a look at the Ward Against Harm elite (don't combine this one with winter).

On Sparks:
There are 2 or 3 near the start then 2 just over the bridge.
Then there is the large group, but you can avoid that one by waiting a little (that's the spot Shyft describes). After that, there is the spot near the seer.
That's one of the hardest spots in the missions. If you constantly fail there, consider flagging your hench back behind the rock and pull the sparks to your location, while you protect yourself with Protective Spirit (takes some micro-management of your monk, but not that hard to do).
Also, seperate your heroes with flags, since the spark do AoE damage, when they are standing in a ball they will go down fast.

Thank you for answering. I can't make a key that would make all of group attack everything I do. I do use guard, I think that's supposed to control your group for that. But, if I have a friend in my group, we would like to get our flag by our name, so we can use assist.

As I said, I don't have elites. I never wanted to use my limited skill bar for a caption signet, especially since I didn't know which npc dropped something useful.

I think you're right about Whispers. Someone else had said he was useful for the minions available from Sparks. I wanted all range in my group, but my only other choice is Koss, and he is so hard to control. But, I will try him.

I put Dunkoro on protective and use Mhenlo for healing because I can control Dunk's skills. And I put him on avoid combat so he will run from trouble that he frequently gets himself into. I use his leech signet for him. I do notice however, he tends to stand around too much.

I don't have Maelstrom, and I have seen it recommended. If it's elite, I won't have it. Do you think fire would be a better choice for Zhed? He has the Frigid Armor, but he's still the first to die.

For the Sparks, the ones I can't get by are the 3rd set, after crossing two bridges and turning the corner to go east, then a bit south. There are three there around the tree, along with an Ash Hulk. I think the Seer is further south. I try to pull just one or the other, but it doesn't work, and they have to be pulled around that corner because they are in a tight spot.

I will look at your other suggestions, also. I do need to try something really different.

Shaft... if your willing to waste a slot for an MM to use a VERY limited number of corpses then be my guest. I can think of a 100 different things that would be more use than an MM with 2 minions. Especially when Rodgorts Invocation is AoE so will kill them regardless.

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