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billy brute

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

13 Aug 2007 at 09:46 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evilsod

Lol, so far the only retorts my post got was 'lolz noob, i use an uncustomised weapon because it'll lose market value'.

Having that weapon in your inventory for 1 month and not selling it, it loses market value, if you don't actually intend to keep it, decide there and then and either customise it, or sell it before the price goes down.

Customising an item... MAKES IT WORTHLESS TO EVERYONE ELSE BUT BETTER FOR YOURSELF!

Seriously are there people in this thread that go around with 15^50 Chaos Axes but refuse to customise them? Personally i'd rather that additional 20% damage... if you were using the skin because you liked it, you'd customise it, if your using it because you think it makes your e-peen bigger then its probably sundering and uncustomised making you vastly inferior as a damage dealer.
I bet some of you wouldn't even customise greens that go for less than 10k. The first green i bought i customised there and then, a Drago's Flatbow for i think 65k. I wasn't gonna resell the damn thing... i bought it to use. I still use it occasionally now.

So yes... i'm sticking with my first post. Only idiots use uncustomised weapons, your rare skinned weapon means nothing to me if its hugely inferior damage wise to a collectors weapon, or even a white weapon i found on the floor. The only things it doesn't apply to are caster items... why? Because caster items can end up all over the place, especially ones with 20% enchantments mods, wanding does no damage anyway.

You were onto a really nice post there, but that last part spoiled it

. When I GvG (We're only rank 1100 but still :P) our monks normally have a wand tied to their highest attribute to help finish off low targets and the lord. It isn't as important to customize a wand / staff as it is a sword axe hammer etc. As they are not your primary source of damage, but, [Tesco] every little helps. [/Tesco]

jrk247

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

Twenty Gold For Mountain Troll [Tusk]

13 Aug 2007 at 10:12 - 42

I don't see why people would even customize a weapon if they weren't planning on using/keeping the item. I bought a req. 9 15^50 Chaos Axe because I liked the skin and the first thing I did before I even used it was customized it. Why the hell would you get a weapon that you like and not customize it? Only weapons I haven't customized are my caster weapons, a zealous +5 energy short bow and a few greens that I rarely use.

/notsigned, don't like it don't customize. It's THAT simple.

jrk247

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

Twenty Gold For Mountain Troll [Tusk]

13 Aug 2007 at 10:24 - 43

Quote:

Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Em... yes I would!!!!!!!!

I quite clearly stated in one of the replies in the thread that I dont mind whether the cost to uncustomise is low or high. I would accept it being a gold-sink and costing to have it done.

I'm perfectly willing to pay gold for any service inside the game, because I believe strongly that we need more gold sinks. I have worked and earned everything I have ingame and never asked for anything to be free.

Read things before you go making rediculious speculation about my opinions and my behaviour.

Wait wait wait, you don't care if it's a high price to un-customize your weapons even though the reason you want to un-customize them in the first place is to sell them? And you want more money sinks even though you need money by selling your customized weapons?

Sleeper Service

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

CULT

13 Aug 2007 at 11:18 - 44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evilsod

Lol, so far the only retorts my post got was 'lolz noob, i use an uncustomised weapon because it'll lose market value'.

Having that weapon in your inventory for 1 month and not selling it, it loses market value, if you don't actually intend to keep it, decide there and then and either customise it, or sell it before the price goes down.

Customising an item... MAKES IT WORTHLESS TO EVERYONE ELSE BUT BETTER FOR YOURSELF!

Seriously are there people in this thread that go around with 15^50 Chaos Axes but refuse to customise them? Personally i'd rather that additional 20% damage... if you were using the skin because you liked it, you'd customise it, if your using it because you think it makes your e-peen bigger then its probably sundering and uncustomised making you vastly inferior as a damage dealer.
I bet some of you wouldn't even customise greens that go for less than 10k. The first green i bought i customised there and then, a Drago's Flatbow for i think 65k. I wasn't gonna resell the damn thing... i bought it to use. I still use it occasionally now.

So yes... i'm sticking with my first post. Only idiots use uncustomised weapons, your rare skinned weapon means nothing to me if its hugely inferior damage wise to a collectors weapon, or even a white weapon i found on the floor. The only things it doesn't apply to are caster items... why? Because caster items can end up all over the place, especially ones with 20% enchantments mods, wanding does no damage anyway.

1. Not everyone is a mellee class.
2. If you think that wanding does no damage (-.-) then why are you calling those who do not customise for the extra damage idiots.
3. What hugely inferior weapons? max dmg low atrib perfect mods? oh right its inferior because its an older looking skin? what if i want to give it to a friend or a guildy later to help them out (which i have done and keep on doing) or if like someone said you need some quick cash (so what if you cant sell for 100k, ragos still goes for how much? dragos? how much?) how many do you think this idiot has?
4. Apart from you and your clever buddy there, no one else is calling other people idiots for whatever reason. no one else is calling YOU a noob EITHER.

Obviously anyone who does not think like you is an idiot. I'm tired of this, you should have been warned on your first post, but instead you got support. so i guess its not your fault really.
When you've quite finished acting like a prick try pulling your head out your ass, maybe youll realise that the world does NOT revolve round your self absorbed egocentric person.

Orange Milk

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

Ganking, USA

Retired

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13 Aug 2007 at 15:49 - 45

You've done it yet again FishBoy. You've come up with another bad idea.

jrk427 is right, you contridict yourself therefore making your point invaid.

Everyone else is right, once its customized its customized and its done, just because its a game with "magic" and happy big monsters doesn't mean all logic should be tossed out. You should just be thankful ANet lets you use customized weapons on your Heros.

If you need gold go use that customized weapon to farm some.

PS you batting .000 right now, 0-3 as far as I've seen.

Fenix Arises

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Aug 2007

Dauntless Myths

R/A

13 Aug 2007 at 18:21 - 46

Alright first off /Signed, secondly lets explain why.

Now EVERYONE here can agree on one thing, we ALL like to try out new characters. Now what does this mean? Any old characters you have that happen to be incredibly strong as well as thier heros cant transfer thier gear over to help your new character along. The reason for this is because most people are smart and customise thier weapons so they are doing the msot damage possible (aside from spellcasters for the most part).

Now I agree customising IS something you need to consider, but with the introduction to the new elite missions as well as hard mode, customising is very common. But not everyone always stays with one character and not everyone has enough gold in the game to continue buying new gear.

My proposal for this is simple, create a sort of de-customisation option BUT, make the cost of this ability pricey, such as 5k an item, this way a player can weigh his/her options on wether the item is worth de-customising, or just buying a new one, also increase customising costs.

If someone spends 10k customising and then de-customising an item, and the items only worth 10k to being with, then that player may just purchase another item instead.

I do believe customising SHOULD be reversable to add to the whole "sandbox feel" BUT AT A COST. This way its easier for ALL players to continue to try new and different things without having to go through the trouble of spending a great deal of gold and time (which not all players have) to replace all thier old gear. But at the same time introduce a very un-enticing cost wether it is gold or another form of currency to keep the market in the game steady.

Fenix Arises

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Aug 2007

Dauntless Myths

R/A

13 Aug 2007 at 18:36 - 47

One other thing I also forgot to post. IF uncustomising isnt an option, another option is account based customisation. This would also save alot of players alot of greif and at the same time not take away ANY of the customisations limits, it ensures the item is yours and will stay yours.

genofreek

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

USA

Jenova's Apocolyptic Remains [JAR]

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13 Aug 2007 at 20:52 - 48

Sure I can get behind account-wide customizations. It's still functionally out of the game if only your characters can pass it around. I'm just saying, don't allow people to be all "Oh wait, I made a mistake /r/ undo function prz QQ" when they should have stopped to think of the consequences.

Keep customization as the itemsink/goldsink it was meant to be.

freekedoutfish

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

E/

14 Aug 2007 at 09:12 - 49

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrk247

Wait wait wait, you don't care if it's a high price to un-customize your weapons even though the reason you want to un-customize them in the first place is to sell them? And you want more money sinks even though you need money by selling your customized weapons?

Im not allowed to agree with the idea of gold sinks just becaue I'm suggesting an idea to help earn gold?

I do apologise!!

If anet was to offer an uncustomising service, the price wouldnt be likely to exceed 1-2k, because anything else is unreasonable to poorer players.

You would then presumably only uncustomise a weapon if you are certain it will sell and make a it worth the cost. If it doesnt sell then it your loss, if it does then you make a profit.

You're allowed to agree with gold sinks and still suggest ideas to help bring in gold. And I dont need to weapons to make, I never said I did. But its one form of making gold that is alot easier and quicker then farming an area over and over again.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orange Milk

You've done it yet again FishBoy. You've come up with another bad idea.

jrk427 is right, you contridict yourself therefore making your point invaid.

Everyone else is right, once its customized its customized and its done, just because its a game with "magic" and happy big monsters doesn't mean all logic should be tossed out. You should just be thankful ANet lets you use customized weapons on your Heros.

If you need gold go use that customized weapon to farm some.

PS you batting .000 right now, 0-3 as far as I've seen.

How have I contradicted myself? I'd love to know!

As I explained above, a person is perfectly allowed to agree with adding gold sinks into the game and still ask for ways to make gold. Aslong as your certain that uncustomising a weapon will sell for alot of gold, then paying the high price to uncustomise it is acceptable.

Besides, Im not asking for this because I want to make HUGE wods of gold and become oober rich.

Im asking for this, because you end up with stacks of weapons in storage that are customised and you might no longer use. They are going to waste just sitting there when they could be sold onto other players and you could make a small profit doing so.

Im perfectly capable of making enough gold to live on through SS/LB runs, but it seems daft to have endless weapons in storage that are customised that could be sold for a small profit.

Your also welcome to you opinion on whether my suggestions are "bad". I'm sure I have and I admit that, but if people dont make suggestions then this game would get nowhere. Are we meant to just keep quiet and never make a single suggestion in fear that someone like you will just bash it?

I'd rather post a bad idea in the hope it gets supported and might end up being implimented, then say nothing at all. You're reading the wrong website if you dont want to read bad ideas!

kazjun

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

HoVa

W/N

15 Aug 2007 at 00:58 - 50

/not signed

You know full well that customisation is permanent. If you think that you may ever want to sell the weapon, then don't customise it. Not like you can't finish the game if you don't have that +20%. The only time you'd need the bonus, would be pvp. But then, just use a pvp char. Costs you nothing.

If you want that +20%, then customise and put up with the fact that its worthless to anyone except you or a merch.

And if you've customised, and then found something better? So what? Salvage for the components that are good and then merch it. Why fill your storage with junk that's useless? Especially imperfect stuff. You'd make more farming then trying to flog purples or 14^50's of anything but the rarest skins.

If you're really that pressed for cash, don't customise greens and golds. Keep them for trade. Use collectors gear, most of the collectors gear (especially the caster stuff) are the same stats as greens. Might be missing a few mods (mainly melee weapons) but you can customise as much as you want. After all, they're mostly 125g blues.

T. Drake

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

R/Me

15 Aug 2007 at 01:57 - 51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fenix Arises

One other thing I also forgot to post. IF uncustomising isnt an option, another option is account based customisation. This would also save alot of players alot of greif and at the same time not take away ANY of the customisations limits, it ensures the item is yours and will stay yours.

Account based customisation is nice, /signed to that.

But ANET still needs to recode the whole pvp/pve weapon thing. I can still make a PvP character (which is on my account) and can create endless amounts of perfect weapons and use them on my PvE characters.

Maybe a yellow (not gold) color for pvp weapons, which cannot be used by pve characters? And leave the red color for the unlocked pvp skins. Sorry for this slightly off-topic related point.

/unsigned to the un-customisation option.

Dervish Warrior

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2007

Legacy Of Angels

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15 Aug 2007 at 05:27 - 52

Customised Armor being able to be given to a character with the same class and name would not be that bad, i had a dragon mask on my warrior... by far the best mask yet, and i decided to delete my warrior.. but wanted to remove my mask, so i put it in storage, and now they brought out that mask dealing dude, but i cant put it in there.. and make a character with same name and i cant put it on there either... GRR ><
/part sign
should just be able to give it to characters with same name, and same class

VinnyRidira

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2007

Ridirian Guides

W/Me

15 Aug 2007 at 11:45 - 53

/unsigned

I would like account wide customization, but am happy to live with character customizations. I generally customize weapons even for heroes. I generally find most green weapons actually suck. The blue collectors are often way better, especially with good add ons.

Kyver

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2006

WTF Gaming

R/Mo

15 Aug 2007 at 12:18 - 54

Personlly i am happy with the current system.

I will more than likely get flamed for this but heres a few Thoughts...

If you want to un-customise a weapon the weapon should have a attrubute penalty for example if a bow is req 8 then you decide to un-customise it it should change to a req 9 and so on so the value of the weapon will drop alot ..

OR

if you have any gold bows that you want to customise then you decide to un-customise all mods on that bow should be distroyed so you end up with a basic bow but keep the attribute so if it was a req 8 after it would stay a req 8 but you will have to add new mods to it..and it will always cary the title of Un-customised Greens Cannot be Un-customised

Like i said its just a thought some of you may feel this a stupid idea its just a few ideas i have thought of.

Orange Milk

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

Ganking, USA

Retired

R/

15 Aug 2007 at 13:16 - 55

Quote:

what if you need gold desperately and its worth quite a bit.

Quote:

If its a high fee, then fine, I accept that.

Quote:

I would accept it being a gold-sink and costing to have it done.

There ya go fishy, your desperate for gold, yet willing to pay high amounts to get your weapon uncustomized. You have contradicted yourself.

I don't flame you for making suggestions, I flame you for making VERY bad ones then argueing with the consensis and attempting to prove your point without validation.

I've signed some good suggestion threads and I've not signe the dumb ones like this, you have to understand the game mechanics and why they are in place BEFORE you post this stuff. THere is a balance to this game that is and must stay in place, If you start a thread saying you don't think Vamp weapons should drain your health, I'm going to go to England and smack you. If you start a thread that says you thing there needs to be a Bow grip that makes the Durations of Preperations last longer, not how long it lasts on the enemy but how long you are underits effects, I will sign it and say good idea. See the difference between good and bad ideas that don't effect the game balance/mechanics?

6am3 Fana71c

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

15 Aug 2007 at 13:21 - 56

Not-customizing is for poor blokes. Yep, back in days when I didn't had so much money as now, I didn't customize anything because I feared that I might have to sell it. But now I can just buy anything I want and customize it right away (which I did), without thinking about will I have to sell it for moneyz. I am not trying to make me look important here, I am just explaining why some are against it, and why others are for that idea. Simple - when you have money you don't have to worry about that kind of things. And when you are a bit short of funds, you'll prolly not-customize your weapon, to have some insurance for the "rainy days"

Sleeper Service

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

CULT

15 Aug 2007 at 13:22 - 57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyver

Personlly i am happy with the current system.

I will more than likely get flamed for this but heres a few Thoughts...

If you want to un-customise a weapon the weapon should have a attrubute penalty for example if a bow is req 8 then you decide to un-customise it it should change to a req 9 and so on so the value of the weapon will drop alot ..

OR

if you have any gold bows that you want to customise then you decide to un-customise all mods on that bow should be distroyed so you end up with a basic bow but keep the attribute so if it was a req 8 after it would stay a req 8 but you will have to add new mods to it..and it will always cary the title of Un-customised Greens Cannot be Un-customised

Like i said its just a thought some of you may feel this a stupid idea its just a few ideas i have thought of.

not a bad idea, same as the account wide one.
both at the same time?
/signed

MagmaRed

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Mar 2007

Our Crabs Know True [LOVE]

R/

15 Aug 2007 at 13:49 - 58

Quote:

Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Your trying to suggest that being able to uncustomise a weapon, will cause people to exploit the game by giving their lower level characters max weapons from the start. But we can already do that!!!

1) /bonus
2) Stick an uncustomised green or gold max weapon you find in pve into storage and the minute they open storage, its theirs.

How would being able to uncustomise weapons make any difference to that?

As for how pvp works when creating weapons, I have no idea because I dont pvp. But im not talking about pvp, im talking about pve weapons.

More important are the mods. I know all about the bonus weapons from certain game versions. Do they come with +30 Fortitude mods that can be removed? Do they come with 20/20 Sundering mods that can be removed? Do they come with 15^50 Strength of Honor Inscriptions that can be removed?

No.

Uncustimization would allow a weapon to be made by a PvP character with perfect mods attached. Now, put it in storage, and get it for your PvE character. Salvage the mods, apply to your rare skin items, and have a nice weapon.... free.

The market on mods is alreay in the toilet, this would flush that toilet. Rare skin items sell for more to noobs who actually think 20/20 Sundering and +30 Fortitude are the best option. People having access to perfect mods for no cost would ruin this part of the economy.

Not only would you be unable to sell your mods (as they would be free to anyone), but your perfectly modded weapon would not sell for much.

This idea is stupid. Yes, stupid. The idea of removing customization completely, or making it account based is understandable, but allowing uncustomization to happen is craptacularly stupid.

Wol Fenrook

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2007

UK

The Dim Circle Ring [DCR]

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15 Aug 2007 at 19:19 - 59

Conditonally /signed.

Conditions:-

Lock down PvP weapons so that they can not be un-customised at all, otherwise you just end up with another exploit for the unscrupulous to abuse.

Add a risk of un-customisation failing and destroying the weapon. Uncostomising should not be an easy option, but rather a high risk one.

Put the un-customise npcs in higher end areas, eg Drok's Forge, Raisu Palace and the like. Give folks another reason to work through the story.

Wol Fenrook

Starsky-sama

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Land of the Z Chest \o/

[NOT]-Nomads of Turmoil.

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15 Aug 2007 at 20:34 - 60

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6am3 Fana71c

Not-customizing is for poor blokes.

O jebus another comedian. (i.e Evilsod) /LoL

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6am3 Fana71c

Yep, back in days when I didn't had so much money as now, I didn't customize anything because I feared that I might have to sell it.

Yeah, quite understandable, you were a poor bloke (everyone was), but plz dont make it sound like everyones the same as you.

/imo.

If ppl dont like this idea, plz try to refrain from making up reasons that make it sound like it's a factoid, because everyone in the game could be in the same situation(s) as you, but still we dont all have the same reasons for doing stuff.

It's very simple why customize is ingame, let's refrain from going overboard w/ the why and why nots. OP just wants to put out an idea.

/imo.
_______________________________________________

Back to the idea of un-customizing:

/unsignage.

Due to the fact that the main function of customizing is there for a simple reason already and I believe it doesnt need to be messed with.

/g'day.

SergeLo001

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2007

USA, CA

Im Using Signet of Shut Your [FACE]

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16 Aug 2007 at 08:24 - 61

The extra damage u get is not really for the price of 10gold coins, but really its for the fact that you can't sell it to anyone anymore. thats how i see it, cause 10gp isnt anything.
/unsigned

Solas

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Ireland

Currently LF Active HA Guild, Glad 2, Comm.3, R2

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16 Aug 2007 at 10:36 - 62

is cusstomised meaning changed to fit your char...for you char, and heros....so your wanting an added 20% attack bonus for 10g to customise...then wanting to be abel to remove that when you dont need it anymore.... whene you customise you take that chance. cant be undone,i would be really against uncostomisation

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

16 Aug 2007 at 15:58 - 63

Damn this threads funny. Its not even worth commenting on Fishies posts because several people have already said he's contradicting himself constantly.

Wanding does bugger all damage in PvE. The extra armour and damage reduction, and the fact fights shouldn't be lasting long enough for you to run out of energy and have to start wanding... oh that and casters also sometimes use martial weapons which cause about 1-2 damage per attack, if the wanding damage was really important to a caster they wouldn't be using a +5e spear.

And i still don't get the reasons for greens. Sorry but if your not willing to customise a green, because greens only ever go down in value, then your just wasting your time. 'I might find a better weapon' is a pathetic excuse. It translates to 'This weapons skin won't do my e-peen much good in a month or 2'. Weapons don't suddenly get worse. You either like the skin and customise it because its a good weapon, or you don't customise it because you don't like the skin, it just makes you e-peen bigger, and you'll sell it the moment a better e-peen comes along. The moral of the story, stop trying to enlarge your e-peen and get something YOU like or YOU need.

Seriously, the reasons for wanting it are pathetic. Its nothing more than wanting to sell it after the weapon is no longer 'flashy' and 'new'.

freekedoutfish

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

E/

17 Aug 2007 at 09:31 - 64

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagmaRed

Uncustimization would allow a weapon to be made by a PvP character with perfect mods attached. Now, put it in storage, and get it for your PvE character. Salvage the mods, apply to your rare skin items, and have a nice weapon.... free.

You can do that anyway in PvE by crafting a weapon with perfect mods using a high end PvE character, sticking it in storage and letting a new char have it. They could then salvage those mods.

Uncustomising isnt going to make a difference to that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orange Milk

There ya go fishy, your desperate for gold, yet willing to pay high amounts to get your weapon uncustomized. You have contradicted yourself.

I don't flame you for making suggestions, I flame you for making VERY bad ones then argueing with the consensis and attempting to prove your point without validation.

I've signed some good suggestion threads and I've not signe the dumb ones like this, you have to understand the game mechanics and why they are in place BEFORE you post this stuff. THere is a balance to this game that is and must stay in place, If you start a thread saying you don't think Vamp weapons should drain your health, I'm going to go to England and smack you. If you start a thread that says you thing there needs to be a Bow grip that makes the Durations of Preperations last longer, not how long it lasts on the enemy but how long you are underits effects, I will sign it and say good idea. See the difference between good and bad ideas that don't effect the game balance/mechanics?

Me talking about "being desperate for gold" was a hyperthetical situation, as to why a person might want to uncustomise a weapon to get the potentially high pay back from selling it.

I personally dont need gold that badly.

And I personally wouldnt mind paying a price of around 1-5k to uncustomise a weapon, if I was almost certain it would sell for 3 times that much and make it worth the cost.

As for you trying to justify flaming anyones threads, that isnt acceptable. I dont mind a person disagreeing with a post I make, aslong as they are polite about it.

Trying to excuse yourself for "flaming" suggests you know your being rude and thats completely unreasonable. You can express your dislike for an idea without resorting to being malicious.

As for your trying to compare some of my ideas to "vamp weapons shouldnt drain health". Your just being moronic suggesting my ideas are that stupid, and suggesting I dont have an understanding of game mechanics is just daft.

Uncustomising weapons isnt going to have any drastic, major, negative effects on the game. MegmaRed above keeps trying to suggest it will give low end characters access to perfect mods and high end weapons, but you can already do that.

As for how its meant to balance out PvP, I dont care. I dont play PvP and im talking about this from a PvE perspective and how it would benefit that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evilsod

Damn this threads funny. Its not even worth commenting on Fishies posts because several people have already said he's contradicting himself constantly.

Wanding does bugger all damage in PvE. The extra armour and damage reduction, and the fact fights shouldn't be lasting long enough for you to run out of energy and have to start wanding... oh that and casters also sometimes use martial weapons which cause about 1-2 damage per attack, if the wanding damage was really important to a caster they wouldn't be using a +5e spear.

And i still don't get the reasons for greens. Sorry but if your not willing to customise a green, because greens only ever go down in value, then your just wasting your time. 'I might find a better weapon' is a pathetic excuse. It translates to 'This weapons skin won't do my e-peen much good in a month or 2'. Weapons don't suddenly get worse. You either like the skin and customise it because its a good weapon, or you don't customise it because you don't like the skin, it just makes you e-peen bigger, and you'll sell it the moment a better e-peen comes along. The moral of the story, stop trying to enlarge your e-peen and get something YOU like or YOU need.

Seriously, the reasons for wanting it are pathetic. Its nothing more than wanting to sell it after the weapon is no longer 'flashy' and 'new'.

I'm personally ignoring you and your opinion. Purely because you made the moronic statement calling anyone who doesnt customise weapons stupid.

Your then went on to say we shouldnt customise weapons if we know we might sell them later. So are we expected to then still use those weapons?

And you want to talk me contradicting myself!!

4ssassin

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2006

none

W/E

17 Aug 2007 at 09:37 - 65

account based customization= /signed

this idea=/not signed, for all the reasons people are spouting.

You know what? change that. /signed for uncustomization, but only if it has an unchangable price of 100k to do so. That'll be a laugh.

MirkoTeran

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Slovenia

Scars Meadows [SMS]

Mo/

17 Aug 2007 at 10:39 - 66

/unsigned for all the obvious reasons.

Curse You

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

South Pole

The Magus Order

N/Mo

17 Aug 2007 at 11:27 - 67

Quote:

Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

You can do that anyway in PvE by crafting a weapon with perfect mods using a high end PvE character, sticking it in storage and letting a new char have it. They could then salvage those mods.

Uncustomising isnt going to make a difference to that.

Ok, this discussion ends here, with that very dumb statement by you.

Reasons:
1. You could just give the mods to your lower level character, why bother putting it on a weapon.
2. You fail at understanding how PvP weapons are made.

The only reason for your suggestion is, as EvilSod said, so you can update your E-peen. There's no reason to get rid of a max weapon, either than if you want a different skin.

You need money? Farm it; if you're that desperate for money, you shouldn't need more than 20k.

MagmaRed

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Mar 2007

Our Crabs Know True [LOVE]

R/

17 Aug 2007 at 16:32 - 68

Quote:

Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

You can do that anyway in PvE by crafting a weapon with perfect mods using a high end PvE character, sticking it in storage and letting a new char have it. They could then salvage those mods.

Wow....

Now I not only think you are an idiot, but I think you are stupid.

PvE character can make a perfect weapon and place it in storage for another character, yes. But to do that, they must find or buy the weapon, the mods, and the inscription.

PvP character spends NO time and no money to do that.

How long would it take you to fine a 20/20 Sundering Sword Hilt? How much would it cost you to buy one?

How long would it take you to find a +30 Fortitude Sword Pommel? How much would it cost you to buy one?

It would take me about 2 minutes and 0 gold to get both on a PvP character.

Your crappy idea would allow the market for weapon mods to go down the drain. Fast.

R!ghteous Ind!gnation

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

N/

17 Aug 2007 at 17:05 - 69

/unsigned for obvious reasons. maker of this thread either doesnt understand the games economy or is as poor as Huckleberry Fin.

linh

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Mo/

17 Aug 2007 at 18:48 - 70

/notsigned for this.
/signed for a poll to stop fish boy from making new "ideas".

R!ghteous Ind!gnation

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

N/

17 Aug 2007 at 18:55 - 71

/notsigned... for this also
/signed for linh's poll to stop fish boy from making new "ideas"...
/signed for banning fish from guildwarsguru forums and life

Dervish Gnome

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2007

Northern America

Unlikely Heroes of Yesterday

Mo/

17 Aug 2007 at 19:08 - 72

/notsigned for obvious reasons
/notsigned for Linh's Poll (everyone has the right to express their ideas freely)
/notsigned for banning Fish from guru because that's just ridiculous (get over it people...everyone is entitled to one lame idea that they think would be great...so suck it up)

R!ghteous Ind!gnation

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

N/

17 Aug 2007 at 19:15 - 73

Account wide customization... /signed

Individual uncustomization... /killfish

Gnome quit defending other peoples bad ideas and try defending yours more adequately...

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10187417

(see page 6 pwnage)

Dodgers777

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2007

17 Aug 2007 at 21:24 - 74

Allow all chars from an account to be able to use customized weapons, regardless of which char it was customized for. I may be wrong but if you customize a weapon, all your other chars and their heroes can't use it.

Razz Thom

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

Three Feet Below Sea [LevL]

D/Mo

17 Aug 2007 at 22:13 - 75

It is simple. Just think about it like this..... you buy an expensive ring for your girl/boy friend. When you buy it you have their name ingraved inside. 2 years later it is over and you have the ring, what do you do? Give it to your current mate? I don't think so. You pawn it and take a huge loss on it then move on. End of story.

mojave mango juice

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2006

18 Aug 2007 at 00:29 - 76

/not signed

One of the main points of customization is to remove items from the market so that over time, the price is stable. Take one look at the Weapons thread in Screenshot Expo...lots of rare weapons customized. Rare weapons are constantly being released into the market, but at the same time, "unsellables" are being created.

Take the minipigs for example. Towards the beginning, prices were high. More were introduced to the market, and the mass amounts of minipigs caused the price to plummet. More in the market makes the price go down and makes items worthless.

This brings us to the high school Economics lesson on "supply and demand." If the supply is too high, prices go down. Customization keeps the market balanced...while items are introduced, others are being taken out.

An unbalanced market causes lots of problems. Take the recent armbrace dupe for example. The market was flooded with thousands of a rare item, and if Anet hadn't caught it in time, the market could have completely crashed.

Think of customization like a tattoo. It's recommended that you think about getting a tattoo for a year, before you actually get it, since you'll be stuck with it. If you decide you want to customize a weapon, play with it for a bit first. Think about it for a few days, or longer. Would you want to sell it down the road? Would you want to keep it forever? If you think you might sell it down the road, the solution is simple: DON'T CUSTOMIZE IT.

Uncustomization would hurt the market badly, so for this reason:
/not signed

freekedoutfish

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

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18 Aug 2007 at 10:51 - 77

Quote:

Originally Posted by R!ghteous Ind!gnation

/notsigned... for this also
/signed for linh's poll to stop fish boy from making new "ideas"...
/signed for banning fish from guildwarsguru forums and life

Can a mod close this now, sinces it been completely hijacked by absolutely rude and ignorant morons.

And how about banning the accounts of people who feel the need to flame to that extent?

As for the comments about me not understand how PvP weapons work. I know I dont, I never said I did. I actually even stated that!! So why drag that up?

I have absolutely no interest in PvP, and if that is the general attitude of PvP players, then I dont want to mingle with that crowd. I dont care whether this change would effect them in a bad way, if I have to endure moronic flaming like that.

How do people honestly expect their opinions to be listened to, when your unable to express them without flaming?

Quote:

Originally Posted by R!ghteous Ind!gnation

Account wide customization... /signed

Individual uncustomization... /killfish

You expect anyone to listen to your opinion, when you resort to flaming like that? And your suggesting I shouldn't be allowed to post anymore when you seem unable to post a reply without being absolutely rude and resorting to insults!

Can I seriously request a mod actually ban this guys account for resorting to "killfish". I dont care whether its him trying to be funny at my account or not, that is going far beyond flaming.

jrk247

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

Twenty Gold For Mountain Troll [Tusk]

18 Aug 2007 at 11:21 - 78

Contact a mod and ask them to close this thread if you really want it closed.

Sleeper Service

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

CULT

18 Aug 2007 at 11:46 - 79

Quote:

Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

You expect anyone to listen to your opinion, when you resort to flaming like that? And your suggesting I shouldn't be allowed to post anymore when you seem unable to post a reply without being absolutely rude and resorting to insults!

Can I seriously request a mod actually ban this guys account for resorting to "killfish". I dont care whether its him trying to be funny at my account or not, that is going far beyond flaming.

just use the report button on the lower left bellow his avatar, looks like a tiny warning sign.

It's not personal, he acts like that to everyone. -.-

MagmaRed

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Mar 2007

Our Crabs Know True [LOVE]

R/

18 Aug 2007 at 13:41 - 80

Quote:

Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

As for the comments about me not understand how PvP weapons work. I know I dont, I never said I did. I actually even stated that!! So why drag that up?

I have absolutely no interest in PvP, and if that is the general attitude of PvP players, then I dont want to mingle with that crowd. I dont care whether this change would effect them in a bad way, if I have to endure moronic flaming like that.

Fish, try to read this whole thing, and understand what I am saying. You have yet to make a post which makes me think you understand my point. I don't care if you agree with it or not, but at least understand it.

I have ~5000 hours in the game over 26 months.
Approximately 5 hours was in GvG, 10 hours in AB, 15 hours in RA, and 30 hours in Fort Aspenwood.

I don't spend time in PvP, but I do understand it to some degree.

My point had nothing to do with PvP, except for how it would destroy part of PvE.

The price of mods has plummeted on all mods. 20/20 Sundering once sold for 80k, and now sells for 15-20k. I have even seen a seller offering one for 12k.

If a person can make a PvP weapon on a PvP character that has 3 perfect mods (20/20 Sundering, +30 Fortitude, and 15^50), then uncustomize the weapon (PvP characters can't salvage the weapons currently) place it in storage, and load a PvE character....

What will happen to the games economy?

20/20 Sundering is now a free weapon mod to anyone with an empty or PvP character slot.
+30 Fortitude is now a free weapon mod to anyone with an empty or PvP character slot.

I don't care if the person USES the PvP weapon or not. But your idea would make the buying and selling of weapon mods POINTLESS.

Read it carefully, and tell me how this is a good thing.
Read it carefully, and tell me how this is a PvP thing.
Read it carefully, and tell me how this is anything but stupid.