All item duplication exploit (do not name players please)

korcan

korcan

noobalicious

Join Date: Jun 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by MirkoTeran
One thing that I can't seem to figure out is why they didn't just dupe the minipets instead of trying to buy them.
have you even tried to buy one of the rarer minis? its virtually impossible to find a seller with only a limited amount of them around. thats why they were offering obscene amounts of money for them in the first place.

brokenmonkey

brokenmonkey

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

CA

[UC] Uber Crue

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Agent Mold3r
ya, they've done an amazing job ruining a once great game!
dumb, any company can have this problem, and, like any company can do, they an fix it.

Jeff Highwind

Jeff Highwind

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Grenth's Rejects [GR]

R/Mo

Im freaking scared now, I spent my time reinvesting my funds into black dye now this duping crap happens. Now not only did my reinvestment plan crash like enron but now I am a likely target for the banhammer just for my storage.

Way to go hackers, thanks for f***ing it up for everyone.

arcanemacabre

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow
Gotta get some to make copies.
Exactly. Their plan may have been to introduce many, many more copies of certain rare minipets, either for their benefit or to pass onto the masses (they take up room, not stackable). Either way - very wrong.

Kendar Muert

Kendar Muert

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

Texas

E/

You had to already have had the item. Sides, itd look way more suspicious.

spyke136

spyke136

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Agent Mold3r
ya, they've done an amazing job ruining a once great game!
wow. exploits exist in every game, you can't blame the company for "ruining" this game. did any of you think this was possible 2 days ago? i didn't. and neither did they, this is the most pervasive exploitation of a core part of this game that is imaginable. these people have literally made everything worthless.

DrLight1

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Apr 2007

Mo/E

Likely this won't have as big of an impact as we think, only on Ambraces...I don't think many people realized about the "We can duplicate other items too" for a while....

Chaos Theory Pvp

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2005

Elite

R/Me

don't pray for a roll back, this exploit is now clearly about a month old.

manitoba1073

manitoba1073

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

ManitobaShipyards Refit and Repair Station

(SFC)Star Fleet Command,(TDE)The Daggerfall elite,(SOoM)Secret order of Magi

Quote:
Originally Posted by spyke136
. these people have literally made everything worthless.
No more than what anet has been doing. But thats a topic for another subject.

They should ban everyone that got involved with it, no questions asked on that.

Agent Mold3r

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Death Legion Of Cantha

W/Rt

what exactly happens in a roll back? everything you've done in the past month or so gets erased?

brokenmonkey

brokenmonkey

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

CA

[UC] Uber Crue

W/

A 1 month roll back would be catastrophic. Thousands would quit instantly, ANet would be trashed for ever, and GWEN sales with take a SHARP dive.

korcan

korcan

noobalicious

Join Date: Jun 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Agent Mold3r
what exactly happens in a roll back? everything you've done in the past month or so gets erased?
think of it like a time machine. you use it to go back into the past 1 month, so everything you did in the past month hasnt happened.

kade

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2005

Currently residing in ToA dis 1

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by CHunterX
This is the only fair thing to do, but fat chance you'll listen.
Someone stated before me that Armbraces were the most prevalently duped, everything else was just the tip of the iceberg. I'm willing to bet Armbraces were just the tip of the iceberg, and that the ones who were originally intelligent to figure out the duping process were intelligent enough to do so without getting caught.

No telling how many illegitimate items are circulating right now and honestly, anything you own could be a direct result of someone's 30sec duping process...

manitoba1073

manitoba1073

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

ManitobaShipyards Refit and Repair Station

(SFC)Star Fleet Command,(TDE)The Daggerfall elite,(SOoM)Secret order of Magi

Quote:
Originally Posted by Agent Mold3r
what exactly happens in a roll back? everything you've done in the past month or so gets erased?
yes it would.

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

Waaaaaaaaaay too many people'll be pissed about a rollback, so don't worry about one happening.

Enko

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

VA

Mo/

the sad thing is that its just a variation of the old dupe method back from Diablo 1 (not Diablo 2) . ..

Stormcloud

Stormcloud

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

Oregon, USA

Im guessing probly a 12-24 hour rollback due to this becoming public knowledge and masses of ppl "testing" it. Sigh.

Agent Mold3r

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Death Legion Of Cantha

W/Rt

Quote:
Originally Posted by korcan
think of it like a time machine. you use it to go back into the past 1 month, so everything you did in the past month hasnt happened.
i farmed for my FoW armor AND got my skill hunter titles in the last month.......NO WAY am i losing those

Stormcloud

Stormcloud

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

Oregon, USA

Quote:
Originally Posted by Agent Mold3r
i farmed for my FoW armor AND got my skill hunter titles in the last month.......NO WAY am i losing those

10 maxed titles preparing for GW:EN ill quit.

Agent Mold3r

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Death Legion Of Cantha

W/Rt

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stormcloud
10 maxed titles preparing for GW:EN ill quit.
the guy above me is right, WAAAAAAAYYY too many people would quit instantly(including me) , so i doubt it will happen.

Drop of Fear

Drop of Fear

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

W/

Customize armbraces NOW

CHunterX

CHunterX

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Washington

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by kade
Someone stated before me that Armbraces were the most prevalently duped, everything else was just the tip of the iceberg. I'm willing to bet Armbraces were just the tip of the iceberg, and that the ones who were originally intelligent to figure out the duping process were intelligent enough to do so without getting caught.

No telling how many illegitimate items are circulating right now and honestly, anything you own could be a direct result of someone's 30sec duping process...
Ecto has already been flooded into the market, the demand for the gems to make Vabbian armor isn't high enough (you never see anyone selling something for 100k+ 10 diamonds [at least i havent]), Green and Gold weapons aren't stackable. I'm sure other stupid things have been duped, but I'm also sure that everything else is minor compared to the masses of Armbraces now in the game, and virtually impossible to track.

unienaule

unienaule

I dunt even get "Retired"

Join Date: Aug 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

You @*$*##@@s, it's not just armbraces, and you can't dupe them with no reconnects, read the thread plzkthx.

Kendar Muert

Kendar Muert

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

Texas

E/

it doesnt matter whether you still can or not- the damage is done.

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Drop of Fear
Customize armbraces NOW
Customize everything nAOOOOO!O!!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by unienaule
You @*$*##@@s, it's not just armbraces, and you can't dupe them with no reconnects, read the thread plzkthx.
Whoa there moderator.

Lilanthe

Lilanthe

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Well I sure hope Anet has something in their bag to detect, remove all the duped stuff and kick the f*** out of the game all these dupers.

Quote:
You @*$*##@@s, it's not just armbraces, and you can't dupe them with no reconnects, read the thread plzkthx.
I dunno if you have power in this section of the forum, but if you do, you could change the thread title for one more appropriate of the situation.

brokenmonkey

brokenmonkey

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

CA

[UC] Uber Crue

W/

Guys, wether you like it or not, this has been going on for a long time, maybe even since reconnects began.


Just one thing, since people REALLY haven't known about it until now, then, hell, your sword, or bow or staff could be a duped item, and for the last 2-4 months this hasn't REALLY effected the economy, so how does knowing it has been happening effect it? nothing Really.


Props the person who found the bug, but shame on you for not reporting, you have cause a terrible chain of events.

Drop of Fear

Drop of Fear

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

W/

so. once it's evident that ppl could dupe anything exploiting reconnects, there are few things to do to control damage.

remove reconnects so no more items are duped. D O N E
customize armbraces as it's the most widely duped item.
ban all the ppl who had been relogging over and over the last few days or weeks.
if many ppl besides the koreans used this exploit the last 2 days, then roll back 3 days.

arcanemacabre

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

A rollback would be a disaster. Plus, if they were even thinking about a rollback, they'd either shut the game down temporarily (while they figure it out), or at least tell everyone that they are considering it, to prepare everyone that anything they do from now on might not amount to anything since it would reverse.

Top priority is probably fixing the ability to log in from a different computer and still be considered "disconnected" from the instance you left. That way re-connects could be re-instated and this dupe thing is squashed.

Next? Ban the exploiters, well, once you find 'em. After that? No idea. This is a huge mess, but I'm sure they have enough resources to determine how big of a mess it really is, and what measures to take to fix it, or just let GW take one for the team.

Down, but not out, hopefully.

Zeek Aran

Zeek Aran

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Earth, sadly

BORK

A/



[I got the guy's permission to post his name]

MirkoTeran

MirkoTeran

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Slovenia

Scars Meadows [SMS]

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by korcan
have you even tried to buy one of the rarer minis? its virtually impossible to find a seller with only a limited amount of them around. thats why they were offering obscene amounts of money for them in the first place.
I have some of the rare ones. I know how hard are they to come by. But the point is that some of them were offering absurd amounts of ectos/armbraces for not so rare miniptes like yeti, naga and oni. I truly believe some of them already had them.

In any case, I'd love to see how this turns out.

Guardian of the Light

Guardian of the Light

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Radicals Against Tyrants

W/

Now that reconnect is disabled does anyone mind telling exactly how this was done?

spyke136

spyke136

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Again
Customize everything nAOOOOO!O!!!
rofl and literally destroy the economy? "selling stack of feathers 100k!"

for those of you who think this is only armbraces, please stop being so naive. if you discovered this exploit what is the first thing you would dupe? armbraces? a highend item very hard to sell since many people dont have enough ectos or perhaps...the ectos themselves. think how many ectos are floating around on some of these dupers' accounts. the only reason they started doing mass volume armbraces is for the minipets to dupe. these minipets are the RAREST items in the game, and most sought after right now especially with the bonuses they afford through GWEN. so they super duped armbraces to easily entice minipet owners to sell.

CHunterX

CHunterX

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Washington

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Drop of Fear
so. once it's evident that ppl could dupe anything exploiting reconnects, there are few things to do to control damage.

remove reconnects so no more items are duped. D O N E
customize armbraces as it's the most widely duped item.
ban all the ppl who had been relogging over and over the last few days or weeks.
if many ppl besides the koreans used this exploit the last 2 days, then roll back 3 days.
1: Done
2: Unfair to those who traded minipets for armbraces
3: Thats the stupidest thing I've ever heard
4: Thats racist

arcanemacabre

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Drop of Fear
so. once it's evident that ppl could dupe anything exploiting reconnects, there are few things to do to control damage.

remove reconnects so no more items are duped. D O N E
customize armbraces as it's the most widely duped item.
ban all the ppl who had been relogging over and over the last few days or weeks.
if many ppl besides the koreans used this exploit the last 2 days, then roll back 3 days.
No. Those doing simple texture mods (which are permitted) would be wrongfully banned (there's a lot of logging in and out when modding).

Lilanthe

Lilanthe

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Guardian of the Light
Now that reconnect is disabled does anyone mind telling exactly how this was done?



Originally Posted by Hlaford
Proof? By using proof, I risk the possibility of being banned myself. I know it is only word of mouth, but it is true. Guild wars is made into instances, and we now have the possibility of reconnecting after a loss of connection. thus, a character can be in a mission, "lose connection" and sign in, at town, trade away items, "reconnect" to the inmission character, and trade those items, then meet somewhere again to reclaim his duplicated items. Need 3 people. Easy as pie.

korcan

korcan

noobalicious

Join Date: Jun 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lilanthe
Well I sure hope Anet has something in their bag to detect, remove all the duped stuff and kick the f*** out of the game all these dupers.
there would be a "duper tree" of transactions so long that it would take anet forever to track down the source.

if this has indeed happening for over a month, just imagine all the people directly or indirectly connected to a dupers original transaction.

Kendar Muert

Kendar Muert

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

Texas

E/

You had two computers, and logged in, booting off the other account, and duplicating something somehow, from what i can figure, then reconnected. Rinse and repeat.

Witchblade

Witchblade

Polar Bear Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lilanthe
Well I sure hope Anet has something in their bag to detect, remove all the duped stuff and kick the f*** out of the game all these dupers.
dunno if this works like D2 ... items have and ID
how can u detect duped stuff from "selfdropped" ?
(even if a guy has a stack of those, u cant make em poof just like that)

Tijger

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Mo/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Evilsod
To be fair... the development of Guild Wars 2 comes a distant second behind sorting out a major exploit with the potential to lose them alot of players like this if its true.
Yeah, except for one thing, the majority of GW players dont even KNOW what an armbrace of truth is. I know what it is and I have a fair bit of cash but I've not had one or wanted one.

Exploit or not, if this was true and a problem then it needs to be fixed and will be fixed asap, I dont know why you'd even imagine it wouldnt be *shrug*