Maxing wisdom title do able?

I was just thinking, should arenanet lower the number of golden item identified required for the last 2 tiers of the wisdom title?

Since it is clearly near to impossible to get 10.000 golden items identified.

3000 golds identified yes, 4000 maybe, 5000 if you really try, but 10.000, no even nerds who do nothing else but grinding all day will find it near impossible to even get 5000 golden items identified.

What's your take on this, should arenanet change the title progress in such a way where it is still a very big challenge to get it maxed, but do able if you really put effort into it?

EDIT: some people have been stating that the title is do able if you just 'put in a little time'

Assuming you play 3 hours a day, and farm n buy unids, lets say 20 golden items a day, it would still take someone 500 DAYS! thats about 1 and a half year! Okay so there are some people who sadly have nothing else in their lives but playing guild wars or cheat their way(buying gold fro ebay n then buying the unids) to get the title maxed, a person who plays 3 hours a day will have to grind for golden items for ages. What i ment by do able is, atleast bring back the number of unids needed so that it could be done within a year when playing 3 hours a day.

I've seen people with max wisdom title; source of wisdom before loot scaling was introduced. Its still possible now as well. Saw several people with font and oracle of wisdom a week ago. I myself have devourer of wisdom but I rarely play anymore. No reason to change it imo, there are people who will max it eventually. Just takes a bit of time and patience. Buying unidentified gold items speeds up the process if you have the platinum for it.

If you can do a thousand you can do ten thousand it's just a matter of time like most titles.

It's meant to be difficult; there are enough easy titles to max.

As with an above poster, I've seen a few people with Source of Wisdom. So it's certainly possible, if one has the inclination, time and funds.

i've got 10k ided on one character and another 5k on another. its doable. after i got max rank on one character, i stopped iding golds and have just been selling unids and i've supplied some people with enough unids to max out wisdom on a few characters. if you buy from other people, you just need a ton of money to keep it going. if you only id your own drops, yeah it'll take a long time.

It's a gold sink, and doable.

very possible. u're not supposed to do it in a week or two.

It' perfectly doable... but no way with 10 chacters in less than 2 years.

It should be account wide.

You will find that most people that have maxed it also have maxed or nearly maxed treasure hunter due to the fact if one is good at chest running and has a bit of luck you can get both titles and make a nice profit in the process

People are telling you it's doable and you don't seem to want to hear it. You just want to moan about the title. Yeah the title is a little steep, but many have gotten the title and many will follow, it shouldn't be changed now because you feel overwhelmed. And the crack about the titleholders being either nerds or ebayers is just classless. Give it a try but mix it up, I often run a few hundred chests then take a break from it for months, time is on your side there is no hurry.

You don't buy unid is small groups of 20etc, you have to buy them by the 100's and do that everyday. Isn't a title that will be maxed by a poor person.

Its doable. You just have to do excessive amounts of gold farming, chest run alot or buy your golds. Its not even remotely possible through normal play.

lol @ ops post.

title is doable nps.

do the chest opening one too which costs around 6 mil gold. from nice drops you can finance bulk buying unided items.

someone got 10k chest and 10k id titles a long long while ago.

takes time something you dont seem to want to put in.

titles are something to keep people playing gw till gwen and gw2. easy titles wont achieve that.

Hmm well I do remember someone here on guru who had a service where they paid to ID peoples golds for them..not sure if thats viable, but that person did get their title in the end.

One thing that was hinted at, but not made clear is that there is almost always someone spamming in LA that they have unidentified golds for sale usually seven of them, and usually for 4-5K. These are mostly crap golds but they are gold and unidentified. So if you just did that all day, buying 7 at 5K a pop you could do it for about 7,145 platimum. You would get some of that back by selling the items or salvaging worthwhile things for sale. But it would cost a lot. Now for Treasure Hunter, you do actually have to open all the chests or if you were really busy farming over Easter Weekend you could have got your hands on a couple of hundred Golden Eggs that were worth one treasure hunter point a piece when you picked them up. I am currently at level 4 on the Wisdom Track and know I have a long way to go.

BTW, there are places in the game where you can get low level golds on a fairly consistent basis. I expect to see 1-3 per 15 minute solo run, and have got as many as five on a single run.

That was Enko's thread. He ended up selling unid golds buy the hundred.

I dont quite see how this is a gold sink. You either find the items, or buy them from other people, neither one of which gets rid of the money.

15k armor is a gold sink, fow armor is a gold sink, this isnt.

I would presume if you are going for wisdom title you would want to go for the chest title too.

chest title involved opening 10k chests which according to guildwiki would cost 6 million gold.

it would massively contribute to your wisdom title.

Ah I guess if you look at it that way its indirecty a gold sink, but yea, i get it now :P

heh i'm still offering that service (at least until i get deployed). currently have 200 available atm but can get more easily once i get a dedicated buyer.

Enko i would be interested in this offer depending on what u want for the golds, either respond here or whisper me IGN Damon Black

The annoying part is that if you get the title with one char, you'll have to switch characters to take the most of the title.

Although switching characters is easier now, not much people will try the title in all 10 characters, so most of people will have switch and switch, and then switch again and... bleh... annoying.

Had a guy in my old alliance that was running a service where he would pay you for the cost of a key and he would id golds. Within our alliance most of us would fill our backpack or both bags with golds and then go to have hem all id'd. Trying to do the title by yourself without any outside help will take tons of time no doubt, but even with help it'll take time. Since maxing it has been accomplished I doubt they will lower it at all.

What I do is move all my golds over to one character and have him id them, helps some. Tho I'm also not hardcore for maxing the title.

This one has been a big disappointment for me.

0-100 Did this in normal play, getting drops, opening chests and transferring all golds to one character to ID.
100-250 Got 2-3 guildies to help, that were not interested in the title for themselves, and ID'd their golds.
250-550 A little harder, got 5-6 characters deep into Nightfall and systematically opened the keyless treasures 2-3 times each. Plus help from guildies.
550-844 Current level. Made a 55 Monk and started farming outside Bergen Hot Springs. Working on Vanquisher and opening Hard Mode chests.

NOW I have hit a brick wall. I would call this 'account level loot scale'. What I have found is, after a period where I've opened a lot of keyless NF treasures or maybe done 10-15 farming runs, the chance of getting any golds from any source plummets to nearly zero. Keyless treasures, even those I had never previously opened, all turned purple, and I had a run of 17 purples from Ancient Elonian Chests and even the Hard Mode chests started to give out bloody Ranger Tomes at 1500g per lockpick. I went on holiday…came back 10 days later, suddenly everything's fine again. Back to 33% golds from 600g chests and 67% gold from HM chests. Yes I keep extensive stats and am going for Treasure Hunter too. Anyhow, this weekend, I wanted cash for 9 rings….did 35 odd runs outside Bergen…the first few yielded 2-3 golds per run; then, after about 15 runs, I would go for 5 or 6 runs with nothing more than 'whites'. So….time to stop this madness and play AB for a week while the 'account level loot scale' drops off again.

My beef with this is, as the intervals between levels get larger, you have to find ways to increase massively your rate of gain, otherwise you lose any realistic hope of advancing, and therefore motivation. So, A-Net has said many times that it has no problem with the 'casual farmer' and this is not their target. So, tell me how this title can be taken above rank 4 by a 'casual' farmer? There is clearly some form of account level loot scale, so A-Net are setting you a target and putting barriers in your way. Frankly, I despise this.

There are people out there who have maxed this. They are the people that stacked up 1000 Ecto before UW farming was hit, and they go out and buy UNID's by the bucketload. Frankly, I don't have the cash or the inclination to do this. I know a couple of people that bought UNID's and their name was put on some kind of spamlist and now they get random people whispering to them "6 for 5k, OK?" all the time when they're mid-mission. No thanks. Whatever level I get to on this title, I want to know that I did it without buying UNID's that were more than likely bot-farmed.

Anyhow….so….after hitting this 'brick wall' I am feeling a little disillusioned with this title. I won't stop, but frankly I am disappointed that a title has been created that ordinary, hard-working players can't even get close to maxing. Really, this title needs an event… something like a 'Gold ID weekend' where some item drops and gives you +1 on wisdom. Like the Easter Eggs. Also this 'account level loot scale' could be examined…. It's not going to deter bots, they don't feel tiredness or tedium. They're happy to farm on with just whites and Decayed Orr Emblems.

Just today I was in kamadan and it was announced that someone achieved the source of wisdom title.

Yes, 10k seems a lot now, but it is doable. If you have the time and money its fairly easy to get hold of golds. With runs such as the sulphurous waste ss/lb run, you can get several golds per run, plus money to buy more if you feel like it. I even saw one lucky person get 5 gold drops in one run, not including chests. It must take an age, but it can be done.

I dont think it should be made easier to attain, because then where would the challenge lie?
People shouldnt mistake hard work for grinding.

wisdom title track, wisdom does not ccome easy it has to take time and be sought after.

11months of play and i got aroudn 700 id, all on my chars, adn i dont really farm much.

so if you try and farm alot you cna get it or jsut play natural, forget about that high end armour or weapon skin you've been after and famr or buy the 7 golds for 5k

thats around 140 golds for 100k, which is about 15k amrour costs roughly

besides what you know some of those id'd may give you some max mods which cna be sold on for more golds.
+ get at least around 100-400g back to merchant

It may be doable, but I doubt it's doable without buying unidentified gold items from others. Not in less than a year.

I would like to thank everyone on giving their input. It seriously helped me out. I was under the impression that buying unids in very large heaps consumed to much time and the way to max the title was by finding golds through hard mode solo runs. Now I am gonna save up all my money and spend it on unids, I hope it will be far less time consuming then^^

I'm going for this title. I'm @ 6,000 id's and usually buy around 100 gold items at a time. This title is possible, just takes ALOT of time and ALOT of $$$$

IMO fastest way would be to buy gold unids. 7 for 4k. But that's assuming you have over 5 million gold to sink into it.

Do it on one char and any golds unid found on other your other char, transfer through storage..

Or if you super rich, but the cheapest, non-max dmg highest req gold unids for like 4k = 7


that would be


1428k to rank 5

5714k to Max (7)

well..... 1428k to rank 5 XD

It's a grind. I put all looted golds in storage and ID them with:


<---That guy in the picture.

I think they should made some titles
like Wisdom, Treasure Hunter as Account-based titles.

I should keep my unident gold items into storage and take to some other char that I want to raise the point of wisdon.
I cant open any chest unless Im playing my char who I want be xxxx treasure hunter..

That's really inconvience.

Yup, you find a key or a gold item, and you are forced to save it for that character.

Annoying!!!

it is doable, just need a lot time and money as other said, i have a litle bit more advantage than most other players, cuz i am chinese, so i can easliy buy gold max unid at the lowest price, so yea, it is doable, i am half way now, i think from 2500 to 5000 took me about 4 days, so yea, keep it up, u will give it one day^^

With Lockpicks I am getting a better than 3-1 retain ratio in normal mode - and (especially in Vabbi) - selling the crap back to the merchant yields back on average about 600 gold hence, roughly, one chest costs you about 300 gold each so the 6 million to max chests doesnt really apply anymore AND you of course add to your Lucky title which increases (slightly) your yield. In addition once in a while you will come across the that wonderful chest with the big fat juicy Q8 Gothic Sword, or a cool Mursaat bow or indeed a nice fiery gladius (all of which reaped me back in over 300k to re-invest)

It is of course possible, if you are lucky enough to have access to to a discounted trader to buy Lockpicks at 1200 - or buy from players who dont need them. This chest running will give you a good base in the unid title track. - I have three favourite runs across the three maps. I used to chest run with friends and take turns in opening chests before the update that made chests random - remember a purple chest was a purple chest for all!

But buying unid is the best way, especially since the introduction of HM has made the cost of id purchases more realistic - and if you are lucky enough to find a low cost max damage seller you will be suprised what you will get - (Q9 +5 energy eternal bow - lots of 20/20's for bows, axes and swords and a couple of +30 hps for sword and bow that seller never checked!!!) so there is even the possibilty of a yield that you can re-invest - but don't expect one!

Now - take yourself off to the screenshot exposition in the outter circle and look at the title progress thread and you will see that this title is indeed very possible - people have it! glhf

Anti-farm code has been discussed already several times. Your error is to make it trigger in the first place, and obviously 15 consecutive runs in the same place did the trick easily . Do something different. First there are more places in Kryta where HM undead can be farmed than just Bergen.

Next wurm runs HM in desolation offer lots of chests. Or you can link LB farming in Vabbi NM with chests. Or go jade sea. And any hard mode mission has several golden items drop; you can offer to ID them if you really want to push the title. I don't push the title and didn't do HM often, therefor I have 250, purely from my own drops.

Even if you just play regular HM or late game missions, the golds drop rate is now stunning. If you can also afford keys or lockpicks, both titles soar.

id'ing all golds with a single character for about a year now, I only reached around 370. Haven't bought any, and haven't farmed any. Pure, normal play.