Garden of Seborhin is still Nightfallen?

My ranger has finished the campaign and has killed Abbadon, even has Razah. Why is the Garden still Nightfallen for him?

I just tried it on my W and it worked fine, talk to the guard and he'll let you in - the gate was closed, so I had to talk to the guard btw.

However, I do seem to recall trying this on another char a while back and the gate was open and if I just walked thru the gate, I was in nightfallen garden; took me a couple of tries before I thought to try talking to the guard and when I did, the garden was normal.

Now that I think on it, though, I think it may have been the opposite - I had already done the other mission (the Village one) and wanted to do Nightfallen Garden and kept talking to the guard to get in and ending up in the normal garden, and I then tried just walking in the open gate and there was the Nightfallen garden.

But, yes, My W just talked to the guard and got into the normal garden.

Have you done the "heart or mind: Garden in Danger" yet? Remember that was one of the story line splits and they have to leave access to that for protector titles.

I've always done both of the Heart or Mind quests when first available, but according to the wiki you have to complete the Garden in Danger quest before you can enter said mission, completing that quest requires access to the Nightfallen Garden, thus it *shouldn't* go away until you at least complete this quest.

I've never gone through the game in that way to test it, but I would imagine it works that way from what I have read. Either check with Zerai the Learner in The Kodash Bazaar for the quest and complete it (or if it is in your quest log do it, I do not know if it take completing Jennur's Horde first or not - that has always been the path I choose) or try and talk to the guard with Tahlkora in your party and see if you can enter the normal Garden.

I did the Ronjok mission from Nundu Bay for Meloni and not the one in the Garden of Sebhorin for Koss. You cannot really finish Nightfall without do one or the other. Maybe talking to the Guard may reset the Garden, but then this looks like a bug.

Zoning directly gets you to the nightfallen Garden, but talking to the gard leads you to the "clean" garden. It's not a bug.

Without a marker to talk to the guard and having lots of dead soldiers outside once Abbadon is dead, then I submit it is a bug. I also wish we could have a completed quest log, it is one of the really bad aspects in Guildwars. I have 9 fully developed characters and have not clue what I have done with who.

That isn't what I meant. I know you have to do one or the other to complete nightfall and you picked Melonni's tract.

Until Jennur's Horde is at least unlocked there is a need for the characters to enter The Nightfallen Garden, this is irrespective of if you have killed Abbaddon or not as it has to do with maxing titles. Check for completion of the quests I posted. If it were to revert back then anyone who followed the story through Ronjok would never be able to get a protector title.

I just normally go ahead and do both when I'm playing the game and the wiki isn't clear as to what all requirements are needed - you may have to complete both the game *and* Jennur's Horde to get the garden back to normal. At the least I know the quest "heart or mind:Garden in Danger" being active keeps it as the Nightfallen Garden because one can use that for farming even after beating the game.

If you have the quest Garden in Danger in your quest log, the garden will remain Nightfallen for you. Either complete or abandon that quest and it will revert to normal.

Woodsy