Concerned Citizens Brigade

TheRaven

TheRaven

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Virginia

Spirit of Elisha

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by lyra_song
*digs around for "Im with the lynch mob" T-shirt*
You know I think there's a text mod for that.

Ooops, sorry, different thread.

GloryFox

GloryFox

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Good ol' USA, where everyone else wants to be

Now Plays World of Warcraft on Whisperwind

Yes instead of a green glowing "GM" above out heads we can have red glowing "LM" for Lynch Mob. Then walk around in game towns observing conversations. I also think we should get bright red armbands of some kind. Do you think ANET would agree? We also need a motto to live by like this one.

"For the Greater Good!"

Honestly have any of you seen Hot Fuzz to understand the humor of what I just said?

/satire

Don't get me wrong and I appreciate what your trying to do but I have confidence ANET will do a fine job of banning the exploiters. If you have information you should contact support or [email protected] .

On a personal note if you do in fact do this. I also believe in order for this to work you need some strict guidelines and rules so the innocent are not adjudicated unfairly. That is also my overall primary concern.

Y.T.

Y.T.

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

Mo/

lol its so funny

OP sounds just like Cartman in 1 of the episodes - when Cartman was told that he wont get any x-mas presents cos he did too many bad things and started *x-mas for iraqie childern* campaign to make sure he'll get back on good list be4 the x-mas (honestly believeing that singing x-mas songs will help him to get the present he wanted).
i see no reason to start a witchhunt unless some ppl actually somehow participated in duping/selling activities and just like Cartman believe that being rly loud on forums will help them to get their names clean in case anet will find out some fishy transactions and decide to ban them

My Sweet Revenga

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

R/

ooh ooh. do we get red beret hats for our chars? RAAAAAS-PBERRRY BERET.... doo doo doo doooo doo......

t_the_nihilst

t_the_nihilst

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2006

Columbus, OH

So Goth We Crap [Bats], Friday The [13th]

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by undeadgun
then tell me why the guy i reported still on?
the system fails.

lacasner

lacasner

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Lol..All I'm gonna say is that this story is pretty accurate>

Quote:
lol its so funny

OP sounds just like Cartman in 1 of the episodes - when Cartman was told that he wont get any x-mas presents cos he did too many bad things and started *x-mas for iraqie childern* campaign to make sure he'll get back on good list be4 the x-mas (honestly believeing that singing x-mas songs will help him to get the present he wanted).
i see no reason to start a witchhunt unless some ppl actually somehow participated in duping/selling activities and just like Cartman believe that being rly loud on forums will help them to get their names clean in case anet will find out some fishy transactions and decide to ban them
Don't be so ignorant people.

lutz

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

Battery Powered Best Friends [Vibe]

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by GloryFox
Yes instead of a green glowing "GM" above out heads we can have red glowing "LM" for Lynch Mob. Then walk around in game towns observing conversations. I also think we should get bright red armbands of some kind. Do you think ANET would agree? We also need a motto to live by like this one.

"For the Greater Good!"

Honestly have any of you seen Hot Fuzz to understand the humor of what I just said?

/satire

Don't get me wrong and I appreciate what your trying to do but I have confidence ANET will do a fine job of banning the exploiters. If you have information you should contact support or [email protected] .

On a personal note if you do in fact do this. I also believe in order for this to work you need some strict guidelines and rules so the innocent are not adjudicated unfairly. That is also my overall primary concern.
Wow, that's kind of scary, I JUST watched Hot Fuzz like 2 days ago ._. yeah, I got it. We also need people in scary hoods and mass murders.

GMs need to be more prevalant and need to see what's going on. I really don't like the idea of a "visible" GM though, just more of a covert watching.

lucifer_uk

lucifer_uk

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

Nottingham, England

The Venerable Truth [TvT] The Venerable Alliance [TvH] [TvL]

R/

Really tbh, we already get together and expose dupes, scams, cheating and flaws in the game already... On here.

Meeting in game is rather pointless, lets just carry on doing what we do. Collecting theories and evidence in a solid thread for anet to reference from in their investigations.

Shakti

Shakti

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2006

Home...

Vier Reiter [Vier]

I think the OP is asking for a certain kind of "watch" and info that the majority of us aren't privy to and should keep our noses out of. The true high end market is comparitively small and they "know" each other. I'm part of the upper middle class of gw I'd guess, very comfy with my "wealth" but most definately not at that level. I didn't get the vibe that they're starting some sort of armband wearing patrol group here, just that they have info on CERTAIN very high end dupers and want to orginize that info cohesively to stop them. Correct me if I'm wrong please Max! I say go for it guys.

margretli

margretli

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

N/W

Please correct me if I'm wrong. From reading the many posts here and on other forums, not only armbraces were dupable. Is this brigade going to go after those who duped other items as well? If no, why not, and why the double standard? If yes, how can you make sure that this do not turn into a witch hunt?

The Herbalizer

The Herbalizer

<3 Ecto

Join Date: Jul 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by margretli
Please correct me if I'm wrong. From reading the many posts here and on other forums, not only armbraces were dupable. Is this brigade going to go after those who duped other items as well? If no, why not, and why the double standard? If yes, how can you make sure that this do not turn into a witch hunt?
Yes.

I have already reported someone for possibly doing that with ecto. The individual was offering an insane amount of ecto for a mini pet which is no way near worth that. Tons of people concluded he must have duped them as no gold buyer would be so stupid.

There is nothing wrong with helping Anet remove people who their "first sweep" failed to pick up.

immortius

immortius

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Black Cats

E/Mo

Bleh. The Crimson Knights all over again.

You are all players, not game admins or mods. Leave the hunt to those with access to the logs.

Amorfati87

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2006

House of Moon

R/Rt

I am not now, nor have I ever been a member of the Communist Party....

Those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it.

Let it go, report those you have proof of wrongdoing, definitive proof.

Do not report somebody just because YOU think they are offering more ectos than they should. And perhaps you are correct Herbalizer, maybe it was 4 stacks of 250 ectos for a Jungle Troll which is a bit odd, but this will quickly degenerate to, well hey that guy is willing to pay 10 ecto more than me, so I will report him.

Just like the duping itself, it started out small, an ecto here, a black dye there, months later as more people found out about it it became gazillion stacks of 250 AoT's.

Do not bother Anet with alot of speculation and nonsense. I'm sure those high end dupers are being looked into at this very moment.

gone

Guest

Join Date: Jan 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by EULA
(ix) "stalk" or otherwise harass another member.
http://www.guildwars.com/support/leg...-agreement.php

-It works both ways. I suggest letting anerf do it's OWN job.
it is very loose in the EULA about ingame 'crime watchers' and it just might blow up in your own faces.

margretli

margretli

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

N/W

I guess common sense would usually apply when in situations like this. However, experience tells me, the first thing an angry mob would do is throw away common sense.

To ensure the brigade can function at its top capabilities, I suggest letting things cool down a bit before going after those who felt through the crack by Anet's "first sweep". Easier to catch them when their guard is down. Let's face it, duped items that worth something will need to be sold to make a profit eventually. Now isn't the best time to move such hot items.

However, judging from the OP, you know something that the rest of us don't. So best of luck to all those who wish to be involved.

I just seriously hope this will not turn into a witch hunt, since ANYTHING could have been duped.

My two cents
Mag

ShadowsRequiem

ShadowsRequiem

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Inde is Smoking [Hawt] *ToA*

W/E

I'm in as long as I get some sort of cool t-shirt to wear while I play to make me feel big.

Sleeper Service

Sleeper Service

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

CULT

quis custodiet ipsos custodes



its bad news i tells ya.

makosi

makosi

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

Me/

I'm so confused right now. How does this thread Anet help to catch undetected dupers? This is a genuine question and not criticism or wit of any kind.

Vagueness really baffles the life out of me.

JeniM

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2007

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by GloryFox
"For the Greater Good!" - Hot Fuzz Neighborhood Watch.
Made me think about NWA too

Sorry but last people that tried help Anet find the dupe got banned so i aint touching it at all

Enko

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

VA

Mo/

Seeing as how they were able to detect my two mules and Fenix's account that had only duped a single red dye, it's probably fairly likely that the seed accounts used to dupe were banned. Now Anet's just investigating those accounts that traded heavily with those accounts and received large amounts of items.

Of course, that's just my impression.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JeniM
Made me think about NWA too

Sorry but last people that tried help Anet find the dupe got banned so i aint touching it at all
They already reinstated us. It's not that surprising that they banned my accounts at least since I don't think Fenix told them which accounts I used . .. Once Gaile heard of our plight, I sent her my info and they brought the accounts back online within the hour.

Shiro Katagari

Shiro Katagari

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2007

The Frontier Wolves

R/Mo

I don't think anyone's calling for a 'torch and pitchfork' brigade with this. Just asking regular players to do what they probably would have done anyway - be wary of things, and pass information on to the proper authorities when you have reasonable grounds to believe something is amiss.

The thing is, this really isn't aimed at me, nor at probably 90% of the community - heck, if someone had offered me an Armbrace of Truth two days ago, I'd have had to go onto the Wiki to find out what on earth they were talking about!

No, the people who (I believe) Max is aiming his request for vigilance at are the upper echelon of traders - people who know the current value of things, who watch the trades carefully, who know the other power-players by name, and who will recognise a suspect trade when they see one. This isn't me, and chances are, it isn't you either.

I'm all for vigilance, and I'm all for protecting the game experience of honest players. But truthfully, this one falls on the dedicated traders to be a part of if it's to achieve anything.

Roshi_ikkyu

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

Mo/W

Great I'll send u guys the names of a few players I hate and you can then proceed to online bully them, name call them, make snide remarks about there mothers and when that fails go to Anet with a slack story to get them banned.
"I heard from a player who was talking to a monkey about a horse, that <insert player name here> was scamming people.
The has been an official announcement of the CCB.
Security thru vigilance!"

You can't see me

You can't see me

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

USA

P/W

Max, while I admire what you're trying to do, unfortunatly, you can't do all that much.


Yes, you can get a few people together to go and report a single digit number of names that you all know are involved and not banned, but what then? (As if these names have no tbeen reported 100 times over already.)

Are you and your "Soldiers" going to question every player in GW if they know anyone involved? Are you going to show them a warrent so you can search thier Storage Box? Are you going to waste all that time doing what Arenanet can do ten times better than you?

Arenanet is already equipped to hit everyone who was involved, and will get them all eventually. I'm sorry, but it seems you're going way too overboard on this. It's not like Arenanet isn't trying. Any names you will find will probably be reported 100 times over as I've said, and you can't do much to them yourself but whisper them with threatening comments.


You can't do much over an online game, buddy. The best you can do is report all you know, and play the game as normal, like Arenanet as instructed. No matter how you put it, what you're doing is indeed a witch hunt for all guilty parties, and I have a firm beleif that this will get near nothing done and end up rather badly.

Shiro Katagari

Shiro Katagari

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2007

The Frontier Wolves

R/Mo

I dare say if a 'slack story' could get someone banned, these boards would be nothing but an unending stream of 'I've been banned!' threads (rather than the 1 or 2 it usually is)....

There is no intention to personally harrass suspected dupers/receivers in any way. This is just about keeping vigilant and giving solid information to ANet regarding the problem at hand.

FelixCarter

FelixCarter

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by immortius
Bleh. The Crimson Knights all over again.

You are all players, not game admins or mods. Leave the hunt to those with access to the logs.
Exactly what I started thinking when I saw this thread...

Bringing absolute order to The World? Even if it is with our bare hands?

The Herbalizer

The Herbalizer

<3 Ecto

Join Date: Jul 2005

People really need to drop the whole, "OMFG going after people you dont like, going after people richer than you, harrassing people", crap.

Traders usually sit in towns. OMFG who would have thought that.

They watch the trading channels.

They can see when people are trying to offer insane amounts of ecto / armbrace for an item which is not worth that.

E.g.

1300 Ecto for a Mini Oni which like a week ago was selling at 300 Ecto and only recently spiked to 500 Ecto which many considered overpriced.

Now you could take a screenshot and report it to Anet.

They can decide whether or not to ban you.

Anet may be invesitgating the people being reported. They may not. Why take the risk. No harm will be done reporting people.

Another example of people who we would report are one of the people who obtained a mini pet for 80 million gold is still playing. If he obtained the 80 million gold legitimately (God knows how that is possible as he was a random) then Anet wont ban him.

All we are doing is reporting people. I never realised reporting people was a crime in Guild Wars. Better to report people now than later when they could have moved their wealth to other accounts etc.

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Edit: I truely doubt any quizing or crap like that is occuring.

Seeing as traders spend alot of time in the big trading towns they are able to observe what is being offered and what is wanted.

Stuff like, "WTB: Naga Mini 1000 Ectos PM" is highly suspicious and all it would take is a screenshot of the spam and a picture of the 1000 Ecto being offered then they can be reported.

It really is not shit like us wispering them demanding to know what they have been up to.

Kinda sad people try and do something good for the Guild Wars community and just get attacked.

arcanemacabre

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

As much as I love the idea of this, I'm gonna have to say it's just not going to work [well]. Those at Anet are much more capable of finding the dupers with logs than anyone else without said logs. I'd have to agree with Zinger (unfortunately) in that this just makes Anet look bad, acting as if they don't know what they're doing.

Now, I'm not saying don't report anyone. Please, if you see something suspicious, as always report away. I'm just saying there's no reason to be actively searching. Of course, unless someone at Anet comes forward and suggests it... *hint* *hint*

Nuj08

Nuj08

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shiro Katagari
I don't think anyone's calling for a 'torch and pitchfork' brigade with this. Just asking regular players to do what they probably would have done anyway - be wary of things, and pass information on to the proper authorities when you have reasonable grounds to believe something is amiss.

The thing is, this really isn't aimed at me, nor at probably 90% of the community - heck, if someone had offered me an Armbrace of Truth two days ago, I'd have had to go onto the Wiki to find out what on earth they were talking about!

No, the people who (I believe) Max is aiming his request for vigilance at are the upper echelon of traders - people who know the current value of things, who watch the trades carefully, who know the other power-players by name, and who will recognise a suspect trade when they see one. This isn't me, and chances are, it isn't you either.




I'm all for vigilance, and I'm all for protecting the game experience of honest players. But truthfully, this one falls on the dedicated traders to be a part of if it's to achieve anything.
This is precisely what Max endeavors to achieve. You summed it up best, some of us in the high-end community are waiting on a few of these players to be banned. Those who are criticizing the very idea of this are understandably oblivious to the circumstances surrounding all of this simply because this spans a niche community in which this whole scandal originated from. I will reiterate that a number of people have reported these particular players and we are frustrated with the response. Lastly, I would like to assure that the players being targeted are far from innocent. Again, many of us have done our homework so to speak, thus this is a concerted effort to effectively ban these individuals. Remember, ANET doesn't employ GMs to monitor trades and for this reason, they have to get information directly from players within a certain community. I hope this clarifies the situation a bit.

The Herbalizer

The Herbalizer

<3 Ecto

Join Date: Jul 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuj08
This is precisely what Max endeavors to achieve. You summed it up best, some of us in the high-end community are waiting on a few of these players to be banned. Those who are criticizing the very idea of this are understandably oblivious to the circumstances surrounding all of this simply because this spans a niche community in which this whole scandal originated from. I will reiterate that a number of people have reported these particular players and we are frustrated with the response. Lastly, I would like to assure that the players being targeted are far from innocent. Again, many of us have done our homework so to speak, thus this is a concerted effort to effectively ban these individuals. Remember, ANET doesn't employ GMs to monitor trades and for this reason, they have to get information directly from players within a certain community. I hope this clarifies the situation a bit.
Yup yup yup. Especially when there are trades by people we know who were involved in the duping.

bart

bart

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

"Lets HUNT THEM DOWN... HUNT THEM DOWN i say and BURN them at the stake... BURN i say BURN!!! MUAHAHAHAHAHA"

Suddenly the mob heard a voice from above (ie Anet)... "Why are you hurting other players? Only i have the true evidence (logs and records) that these ppl either commited a sin or not. Who are you to spy and catch other human players? how would you feel if you were on the receiving end?"

BOOM Anet sent down a bolt of lightning and struck the mob thus banning them instead forever and ever.

The END...

This story was brought to you by Bart! Hope you enjoyed it

garethporlest18

garethporlest18

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

[HiDe]

W/

Okay for people who don't quite get it. What Max is trying to do, is get people to spot out people that might be duping and report them to Anet..so Anet looks and sees if these guys are in the wrong or not. Anet just won't ban them without looking and it'll help Anet out even if they don't really need it.

I just don't know how that could of gone over the lot of your heads.

sindex

sindex

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

California

Swords of Night & Day [SWRD]

So what is the big difference now in having a supposed organized group (like those comparisons to the U.S. minute men watch the Mexican/U.S. border) vs. independent reporting? Yes you will be a little bit more efficient in what you do, but you will get the same results as you would if you worked independently.

I understand why you want to do this, but this will be just as bad as reporting bots. All you really doing is sticking up some type of fear tactic that will go nowhere. A-net is not going to listen to you more because your organized that is just a fact.

Tyrant_Dragon23

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2005

WTB Guild

Mo/

That is a really stupid idea, you know it's Anet's job to do this right? Your "Concerned Citizens Brigade" will only cause more commotion and unwanted help from Anet.

If you have concrete proof that a said individual was a perpetrator in the duping fiasco then by all means report them, but please don't start something retarded that will effect others and might resulted in even more innocents being banned.

Jesus, some of you take this game WAY too seriously... If this really affected you that much then I suggest some things: Go outside and breathe some fresh air it helps, take a break from OL and do some RL please, and stop taking this game as if it was your life and let the professionals handle serious problems, you will only cause more harm.


I'm sure Anet will do everything in their power to stabilize and fix this problem as soon as possible, after all this game is their responsibility.

Remember kids it's JUST a game!

gone

Guest

Join Date: Jan 2007

it's not over anyone's heads.

there are a few on this very board that cannot stand the fact they are now bumped into a lower tax bracket in the Gw society. It is they who think by taking matters into their own hands, can fix this. That in and of itself is wrong.

sure they will peg a few who are still stupid enough to make godly-amount trades, but face it, LoL..you are no longer the richest...

-this thread looks like nothing but vanity. You aren't doing the community a favor, you are trying to do yourselves one.

FelixCarter

FelixCarter

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by sindex
I understand why you want to do this, but this will be just as bad as reporting bots. All you really doing is sticking up some type of fear tactic that will go nowhere.
Once saw a guy hand 100k to a complete noobie in Ascalon back in early 2006. Another time I saw a guy handing out Firewater for free. A few days back, I saw a girl sell her Mini Wind Rider for 10k.

I understand the community wants to help ANet, but you can say goodbye to (what's left of) generosity when fingers start pointing and false accusations start being made.

max gladius

max gladius

Yep, really is me...

Join Date: Aug 2005

My House

L33t

No, this thread is to do a few things.

One thing is making it aware to others that there are still people out there who haven't gotten banned.

Another is to maybe find a person or two who has not reported to Anet yet, do to many reasons. One of those reasons being the fact that so many ppl claimed to buy 1 armbrance and then getting themselves banned. Or the people who claimed they had just reported someone, and now they are banned.

Fact is , I reported 4 people, many other people reported others as well, yet this shows evidence that we are not banned. That fact alone will bring others out, to report people, with less fear of getting banned.

At the same time, this is bringing a bit of the GW community together... I'm sorry you may not be directly affected by this thread, I'm sorry you feel left out and that u must comment.

But honestly if you have no good input, or nothing to add... plz don't add it here.

o m g pizowned

Site Contributor

Join Date: Aug 2006

see thing is..you guys will complain and complain about armbraces and about there being 50,000 ectos on undeserving players accounts...we are helping, not 'going after the ones we don't like'
obviously we know the trading market more than you and are trying to do our part. if someone wanted to know who was hacking in RA we could call upon you.

Sleeper Service

Sleeper Service

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

CULT

so um...this CCB consists of a group of people...who are all "high end traders" who sit in major towns verifyng the price of stuff....whats that called again ah yes collusion.


now i know why "high end items" are "high end".

This is why GW so called economy FAILS.

(nothing against you guys. you only do what comes naturally...after all. who watches the watchmen.)

pork soldier

pork soldier

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

This is entirely a witch hunt and it has no place here.

The Herbalizer

The Herbalizer

<3 Ecto

Join Date: Jul 2005

There is nothing wrong with reporting someone who say: -

Offers 250 Armbraces for a mini pet worth 1000 ecto

Or

Offers 1750 Ecto for a mini pet worth only a few hundred ecto.

Innocent people would do neither of the above. And I have witnessed such rediculous offers when I briefly popped in Ascalon ID1 today.

Obviously they must be innocent and we are the evil pitch fork wielding mob.

Even if this thread gets closed we will continue with reporting people.

Screw letting the GW community know that there are still people in-game who they have missed. Screw letting them know that there is still a problem. Hey, lets just let everyone think everything is fine and there is no problem with Guild Wars. Screw reporting the people with post searing items in pre searing which have popped up again as they must be innocent... If someone is guilty of breaking the eula or is suspected of breaking it there is nothing wrong with reporting them to Anet and letting them judge whether they broke the eula or not. OMFG reporting people that is soooo wrong !!!!! -_-