Anet,
I do very little trading - mostly just merchanting but the horror threads are making even me just a little bit scared of doing anything.
I mean someone is being reported as being banned for trading 34 linen!
I know you've said it should be obvious and not recieve "stolen goods" aka duped goods but it's not always obvious I'm afraid.
Anet - Please come out with an offical "All Clear" statement in some shape or form so that we can resume trading without having to wonder stupid things like "will buying 250 bone ban my account!!! oh noes!"
I suggest that the statement/post should cover the problem tackled, actions taken and confirm that all actions taken are now ok and you consider the problem closed.
This would allow everyone who has in no way been involved with any shady activity to breathe a sign of relief and resume trading normally.
If anyone agree's and would like to sign this petition request please do so below to keep it high on the forum page.
Anet - please let us know when trading is "All Clear"
Blackest Rose
lucifer_uk
This is why all these scaremongering threads need closing on sight.
Most players have traded all the way through the dupe wars and continue to trade with no bans.
Most players have traded all the way through the dupe wars and continue to trade with no bans.
Ghost Omel
i agree you scared dont post it write to anet support others dont need useless posts and petitions likethis which will make no or little diference
JGaff
I think most of the player base is overdoing this. Unless some guy/gal comes up to you and hints he might be pawning illicit stuff cheap, you'll be alright. So long as there is no reasonable justification for a ban (Buying 20 Ecto at 1k ea), you'll be okay. If you haven't been doing anything wrong, why worry?
Gaile Gray
Hey, all,
Yes, trading is just fine, now. We had several people working on the account investigations, but at this point we feel that the matter has been fully dealt with, and legitimate trading should be A-Ok.
Now, if someone sidles up to you in a dark alleyway and offers you an armbrace for the bargain basement price of 44 gold pieces, you might way to run in the opposite direction.
But seriously, unless we find another account that was involved in the actual duping, in the receipt of ridiculous amounts of items, or that was engaged in clearly bogus "trades," trading for items of all kinds is good to go now.
Yes, trading is just fine, now. We had several people working on the account investigations, but at this point we feel that the matter has been fully dealt with, and legitimate trading should be A-Ok.
Now, if someone sidles up to you in a dark alleyway and offers you an armbrace for the bargain basement price of 44 gold pieces, you might way to run in the opposite direction.
But seriously, unless we find another account that was involved in the actual duping, in the receipt of ridiculous amounts of items, or that was engaged in clearly bogus "trades," trading for items of all kinds is good to go now.
Blackest Rose
Thank you Gaile!
Clear and to the point.
Clear and to the point.
two x knives style
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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
Hey, all,
Yes, trading is just fine, now. We had several people working on the account investigations, but at this point we feel that the matter has been fully dealt with, and legitimate trading should be A-Ok. Now, if someone sidles up to you in a dark alleyway and offers you an armbrace for the bargain basement price of 44 gold pieces, you might way to run in the opposite direction. But seriously, unless we find another account that was involved in the actual duping, in the receipt of ridiculous amounts of items, or that was engaged in clearly bogus "trades," trading for items of all kinds is good to go now. |
Ghost Omel
so if my guild member offers me a rare item for cheap price significaly cheap price i will be a suspect?
For example a bone dragon for 20K?
will this be suspicious even if the trade is pure with nothing else involved?
For example a bone dragon for 20K?
will this be suspicious even if the trade is pure with nothing else involved?
Witchblade
U cant get a ban cauz of ppl not aware of prices ^^
MrTickle
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Angiolina
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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
Hey, all,
But seriously, unless we find another account that was involved in the actual duping, in the receipt of ridiculous amounts of items, or that was engaged in clearly bogus "trades," trading for items of all kinds is good to go now. |
many many thanks
Enko
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I have loads of materials in readiness for EotN armour (NONE of which bought from other players or duped). I guess I'd better not trade them then for fear of the ban stick that seems to thrash willy nilly
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NekoZ
Just whatever you guys do, do NOT accept 34 linen from a guildmate!
VitisVinifera
despite what Gaile says, people are still getting banned, for accepting or trading for items much smaller in number and value than armbraces.
It's definitely not fine to trade with strangers right now.
It's definitely not fine to trade with strangers right now.
lucifer_uk
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Originally Posted by VitisVinifera
despite what Gaile says, people are still getting banned, for accepting or trading for items much smaller in number and value than armbraces.
It's definitely not fine to trade with strangers right now. |
Kthnxbai
VitisVinifera
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Evidence please
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Loviatar
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the tokens in question were DUPED and the person was cleared and the account was unlocked
it does change things a wee bit
39 tokens
39 DUPED tokens
I pwnd U
Uh oh, I hope my guildmate doesn't get banned. He is a good friend of mine in RL and was just getting into the game so I gave him 250 Tanned Hides, 8 Steel Ingots, and 5k to help him get his armor. All for free... that would not be fair to him to get banned for something as trivial as that. Hopefully this whole duping incident does not stop people from trading.
VitisVinifera
yes loviatar......but if a person can't buy a measley 39 tokens (net value a few hundred gold or so) without having to worry about if they were duped or not, what is safe?
that's the point.
that's the point.
Loviatar
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they were duped
the 549 non duped free ones were not even noticed
it specified in the support unlock message it was a zero return value transaction involving duped content.
what they did was lock down everything involved with duping (notice that the other 549 free unduped tokens were not mentioned) and keeping most of the duped high value items under lock.
now they are sorting out the innocent which did not even miss the festival
Darkobra
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DUPED TOKENS
the tokens in question were DUPED and the person was cleared and the account was unlocked it does change things a wee bit 39 tokens 39 DUPED tokens |
Harmless
The point is, you have no way of knowing whether something is duped or not. Who wants to go through the entire hassle of getting unbanned because you buy something you didn't know was duped?
Personally I'm buying from merchants only. We had the custom in our guild and among our friends of giving materials and other items for free. Now it seems very risky to continue that generosity.
Whether it is a big risk or not, there is the perception of risk.
Personally I'm buying from merchants only. We had the custom in our guild and among our friends of giving materials and other items for free. Now it seems very risky to continue that generosity.
Whether it is a big risk or not, there is the perception of risk.
strcpy
Then I highly suggest many here do not play the game - if you are *that* afraid of a ban anything you do may get one. In fact, doing nothing may result in one as accidents do occur.
There is a point where legitimate concerns go into paranoia. There is nothing anyone anywhere can offer most still wondering as re-assurance simply because it has wondered into paranoia (and no matter how paranoid someone is they always think it is legitimate).
we have the official word, you can believe it or not. If not then quit asking for it as you are going to go with whatever it is you want to believe anyway (as that is the only thing you will believe anyway).
One of my all time favorite sayings "You can not reason someone out of an idea they did not use reason to come up with" and it holds 100% true here. *sigh* but one can always hope that they will learn to critically think for just one moment in time.
There is a point where legitimate concerns go into paranoia. There is nothing anyone anywhere can offer most still wondering as re-assurance simply because it has wondered into paranoia (and no matter how paranoid someone is they always think it is legitimate).
we have the official word, you can believe it or not. If not then quit asking for it as you are going to go with whatever it is you want to believe anyway (as that is the only thing you will believe anyway).
One of my all time favorite sayings "You can not reason someone out of an idea they did not use reason to come up with" and it holds 100% true here. *sigh* but one can always hope that they will learn to critically think for just one moment in time.
Mad King Corn
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so if my guild member offers me a rare item for cheap price significaly cheap price i will be a suspect? For example a bone dragon for 20K? will this be suspicious even if the trade is pure with nothing else involved? |
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Are we to refuse a good deal in fear of being banned?
What about giving and receiving free items? I usually give noobie players gold and some green weapons that I have extra of just to be nice, do I have to stop being nice? Can I still give away items? Should I be paranoid if someone wants to be nice and give me something? This whole situation really smells bad, its bad for the game and its very bad for the community! If the dupers have been shut down why can't the game ever return to normal again? Why do we all have to play and trade in fear of a ban? If the dupers have been caught and shut down and I accept a valuable item for free or a very low price, why must I fear having my account banned? No one ever worried about it before and items were freely given away in game. Apparently now Anet says that it is no longer ok to do so and everyone now has to fear their account being banned for accepting or offering an item at a very low price, or, god forbid, free??? This is very frightening, and, I don't think its fair for Anet to dictate to us what we should sell or buy an item for. This is the beginning of the end as far as I am concerned.
Patrick Smit
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The real question here is EXACTLY how do we draw the line in a trade?
Are we to refuse a good deal in fear of being banned? What about giving and receiving free items? I usually give noobie players gold and some green weapons that I have extra of just to be nice, do I have to stop being nice? Can I still give away items? Should I be paranoid if someone wants to be nice and give me something? This whole situation really smells bad, its bad for the game and its very bad for the community! If the dupers have been shut down why can't the game ever return to normal again? Why do we all have to play and trade in fear of a ban? If the dupers have been caught and shut down and I accept a valuable item for free or a very low price, why must I fear having my account banned? No one ever worried about it before and items were freely given away in game. Apparently now Anet says that it is no longer ok to do so and everyone now has to fear their account being banned for accepting or offering an item at a very low price, or, god forbid, free??? This is very frightening, and, I don't think its fair for Anet to dictate to us what we should sell or buy an item for. This is the beginning of the end as far as I am concerned. |
Gaile Gray
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i think gaile was more referring to the ridiculous amounts of high priced items such as 250 armbraces at one time or more . ..
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People are not still getting banned, and there is very little to worry about in normal day-to-day business, even that involving a high-value item. We can tell if someone duped. We can tell if someone accepted duped items. We can generally tell if they knew the items were duped. As I said earlier, we're pretty much clear on having resolved the matter to the best of our ability, and we'll not be doing ban sweeps or anything of that dramatic nature.
Oh, and if I told you the small number of people who were banned, you'd be amazed. From the hue and cry, you might think it numbered in the thousands. Not even close! And with reinstatements, the number is even smaller than it once was.
We feel that the bug was resolved quickly enough to prevent permanent damage to the game economy, and it's really ok to go about your business at this time.
LumpOfCole
I still chuckle when I see "WTB Armbrace" in Party Search in the major trading hubs 
Theus
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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
Yes, exactly!
People are not still getting banned, and there is very little to worry about in normal day-to-day business, even that involving a high-value item. We can tell if someone duped. We can tell if someone accepted duped items. We can generally tell if they knew the items were duped. As I said earlier, we're pretty much clear on having resolved the matter to the best of our ability, and we'll not be doing ban sweeps or anything of that dramatic nature. Oh, and if I told you the small number of people who were banned, you'd be amazed. From the hue and cry, you might think it numbered in the thousands. Not even close! And with reinstatements, the number is even smaller than it once was. We feel that the bug was resolved quickly enough to prevent permanent damage to the game economy, and it's really ok to go about your business at this time. |
owait.
lucifer_uk
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the other thread where people are getting banned for accepting victory tokens and linens
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Sad truth. People lie.
Big_Iron
Good to know we have the all clear from Anet. I've been buying ectos, but I have been a little paranoid lately.