You might be making those fifty-odd dupers cry right now, but you're screwing over thousands of people.
This is the fourth time I've lagged out RIGHT before completing something. It's not just me. Everyone else is lagging but it's only me that's disconnecting.
In order to catch a few dupers you screw over many, many people with disconnects and collective days wasted.
And right before EotN too... I applaud your work -.-*
Will you fix the frigging reconnects already?
Taurucis
Davros Uitar
Well I applaud their work even if you don't. Sure I would like the disconnect feature back too, but it's not worth spitting the dummy out and crying in the corner over. Protecting the game comes first, and fixing the feature comes second. If that means we suffer some inconvenience till that happens then so be it. I don't pay through the nose for my hours of enjoyment with this game, and it's amusing to see the number of people that start whining every time they feel they have suffered the slightest of injustices.
Taurucis
Well, I had 2 hours of work wasted, what do you expect me to do? Kiss anet's feet?
GloryFox
I have three words for the OP
"DEAL WITH IT"
I just can't believe how selfish some people are. WAAAAH! I want reconnects, WAAAAH! I want an internet provider that doesn't suck.
Fact is that exploit can be done again with reconnects and the game economy would get totally destroyed if they did not "fix" the problem.
Your saying, "hey I want to use that boat", and the harbor master is saying "when the boat leak is fixed you can use it". Then you reply by saying so what I don't care if I drown everyone.
I'm mean WTF is wrong with you man! YOU AND YOUR NEEDS ARE NOT IMPORTANT HERE THE GAME NEEDS ARE. When its fixed you can use reconnect but not before so once again.
"DEAL WITH IT!"
"DEAL WITH IT"
I just can't believe how selfish some people are. WAAAAH! I want reconnects, WAAAAH! I want an internet provider that doesn't suck.
Fact is that exploit can be done again with reconnects and the game economy would get totally destroyed if they did not "fix" the problem.
Your saying, "hey I want to use that boat", and the harbor master is saying "when the boat leak is fixed you can use it". Then you reply by saying so what I don't care if I drown everyone.
I'm mean WTF is wrong with you man! YOU AND YOUR NEEDS ARE NOT IMPORTANT HERE THE GAME NEEDS ARE. When its fixed you can use reconnect but not before so once again.
"DEAL WITH IT!"
moonmonday
Taurucis is right. To use a very old, very familiar quote:
'If a task is once begun, never leave it till its done. Be thy labor great or small, do it well or not at all.'
Anet should not muck about until they're sure what they are doing is not going to mess up the vast numbers of other people whom they're not trying to interfere with. The whole dupe issue is overblown and has been handled so terribly by Anet overall. So many more people have been inconvenienced and upset, chiefly because of Anet's poor planning or apparent lack of planning in some cases.
This is stuff that should have been handled within a year of the original release, tops, if it weren't included in the original shipped program. The fact that they're still struggling with it and, at the same time, causing upset for the players, is really not admirable. I like Anet and all, but I'm not going to defend them on this subject. This is entirely their responsibility, and they are not handling it very well.
'If a task is once begun, never leave it till its done. Be thy labor great or small, do it well or not at all.'
Anet should not muck about until they're sure what they are doing is not going to mess up the vast numbers of other people whom they're not trying to interfere with. The whole dupe issue is overblown and has been handled so terribly by Anet overall. So many more people have been inconvenienced and upset, chiefly because of Anet's poor planning or apparent lack of planning in some cases.
This is stuff that should have been handled within a year of the original release, tops, if it weren't included in the original shipped program. The fact that they're still struggling with it and, at the same time, causing upset for the players, is really not admirable. I like Anet and all, but I'm not going to defend them on this subject. This is entirely their responsibility, and they are not handling it very well.
holababe
I've had much more than 2 hours wasted, but I don't complain. It's for the good of the community/the game in general.
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Your saying, "hey I want to use that boat", and the harbor master is saying "when the boat leak is fixed you can use it". Then you reply by saying so what I don't care if I drown everyone.
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I'm mean WTF is wrong with you man! YOU AND YOUR NEEDS ARE NOT IMPORTANT HERE THE GAME NEEDS ARE. When its fixed you can use reconnect but not before so once again.
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moonmonday
Being quiet and saying nothing when you see a problem solves absolutely nothing.
Even if you don't agree, he has a right to be upset about what has happened. And, as I stated above, this is a place where jumping to Anet's defence is overall a fairly ill-considered gesture. This is their responsibility, and they messed it up. I know several people who were affected by their bungling of this, and I was too. I wasn't very happy about that, and I had every right not to be.
By staying quiet and saying nothing, nothing changes and the people who may have experienced this might think that they were alone or that it was just them, not Anet. They also might think that it's somehow wrong to speak up and say 'I have a problem with this, and I'm not happy'. Just because we're not paying to play doesn't mean we didn't pay to get the game, and it doesn't mean we don't deserve good service and capable administration.
Leaping to the defence of a company that doesn't even require your efforts is largely pointless. They should be made aware of problems that exist, and then they should fix them. It's as simple as that.
Even if you don't agree, he has a right to be upset about what has happened. And, as I stated above, this is a place where jumping to Anet's defence is overall a fairly ill-considered gesture. This is their responsibility, and they messed it up. I know several people who were affected by their bungling of this, and I was too. I wasn't very happy about that, and I had every right not to be.
By staying quiet and saying nothing, nothing changes and the people who may have experienced this might think that they were alone or that it was just them, not Anet. They also might think that it's somehow wrong to speak up and say 'I have a problem with this, and I'm not happy'. Just because we're not paying to play doesn't mean we didn't pay to get the game, and it doesn't mean we don't deserve good service and capable administration.
Leaping to the defence of a company that doesn't even require your efforts is largely pointless. They should be made aware of problems that exist, and then they should fix them. It's as simple as that.
mojave mango juice
I can tell you, it's not Taurucis's connection. I was in her DoA group today, and right before the end, the whole group plus several of our allies lagfroze, and she (along with a few allies that were not in our group) disconnected. This isn't the first occasion this has happened. I've seen mass disconnects all over the place. I don't see how that can be the product of one person's lousy internet. We'll all be speaking normally on vent, while GW will be lagfreezing like crazy. We've been unable to complete missions and farms ever since reconnects were taken out. Mass disconnects of people all over the world with different internet connections...I can't see that being coincidence. I understand the need for fixing the bug with the reconnects, I'm trying to be patient, but the lag and disconnects are making gameplay difficult.
dargon
One persons internet? Perhaps not, but remember, you and everyone else do NOT have an unbroken connection from your house to ANets servers, infact it would not surprise me in the least if your data packets travel through atleast 12 different machines before they even touch something owned by ANet/NCSoft. If even one of those machines on the end closer to ANet has an issue, that issue will be reflected in larger numbers of people than if it were simply your ISP. Just because it's not your ISP, doesn't automatically make it ANets fault.
jrk247
Yeah I'm also getting sick of this lag and mass err7's everytime there's a big lagspike, before with the reconnect feature I didn't even get dc'd/err7's as much as I do now. It's really annoying especially when you are trying to do something other than sitting around chatting. I hope this gets fixed soon especially with GW:EN coming out where there will be much more strain on the servers which means more err7's. And it's not an ISP problem or I wouldn't be able to be on vent or search the internet and if more then a few people get it at the same time that means it's a server problem not ISP problems.
Game needs would be having servers that run smoothly and don't lag every 5 seconds, it's not just one persons needs. lol, sorry but that's the worst flaming I've ever seen someone try, it's not just the OP getting disconnected and they aren't the only one getting lag. So if you must insist on trolling atleast know wtf you are talking about. lol crappy ISP, has nothing to do with an ISP if everyone on GW servers is getting the lag and being dc'd.
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I have three words for the OP
"DEAL WITH IT" I just can't believe how selfish some people are. WAAAAH! I want reconnects, WAAAAH! I want an internet provider that doesn't suck. Fact is that exploit can be done again with reconnects and the game economy would get totally destroyed if they did not "fix" the problem. Your saying, "hey I want to use that boat", and the harbor master is saying "when the boat leak is fixed you can use it". Then you reply by saying so what I don't care if I drown everyone. I'm mean WTF is wrong with you man! YOU AND YOUR NEEDS ARE NOT IMPORTANT HERE THE GAME NEEDS ARE. When its fixed you can use reconnect but not before so once again. "DEAL WITH IT!" |
genofreek
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I lose my connection here and there -- due to a problem on my end that I now have the money to fix and am taking care of -- and the reconnect option on Anet's part saved me from having to redo quests quite a few times. It's a shame to see this go when I quoted a perfectly decent solution to the problem in this post.
Need more armbraces?
Make it three per account. Or five. Or ten. No normal player's gonna show up with 700+ of the things.
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blackknight1337
Well heres my 2 cents.
I certainly can see why anet put an immediate stop to the dupers by removing the reconnect. But it needs to have at least some priority in getting fixed...and then reinstated, because its a fact that people are getting a ridiculous rate of disconnects, and its not their ISP's at fault. I have stopped vanquishing any sizable zones, doing urgoz/doa runs, and anything else that takes more than about an hour...because I simply have a 50/50 chance or worse of getting a d/c and wasting my time. At points I've simply shut the game down because i was getting 40k lag spikes every 2-5 min, and disconnecting as a result...it makes the game unplayable.
And to the person who suggested making only one armbrace a person...
I can see your point, though I do disagree with it. It may make it pointless to dupe armbraces, but what about ectos, black dyes or other valuables that its just as easy to dupe? It may not be as profitable, but it can certainly affect the prices of said item. Heck, you can dupe crystallines or other 100k + xxx ecto weapons/shields/whatever. The only way to stop duping was to remove the reconnect feature, or rollback and ban the dupers, which imo would have been a bad idea anyway.
So to sum up. Anet, please put some importance to re-instating the reconnect feature, and if possible to fixing the server lag that has been steadily growing in the past months. Otherwise, I think that adding the expansion will only multiply the server issues, and just make more problems for all of us.
I've decided to wait on buying Gw:en anyway, I start college like 3 days before it comes out, and i want to wait and see if its worth buying for armor/weapons, etc. But if these problems keep growing, I see no point in paying further money if i can't even play the game.
I certainly can see why anet put an immediate stop to the dupers by removing the reconnect. But it needs to have at least some priority in getting fixed...and then reinstated, because its a fact that people are getting a ridiculous rate of disconnects, and its not their ISP's at fault. I have stopped vanquishing any sizable zones, doing urgoz/doa runs, and anything else that takes more than about an hour...because I simply have a 50/50 chance or worse of getting a d/c and wasting my time. At points I've simply shut the game down because i was getting 40k lag spikes every 2-5 min, and disconnecting as a result...it makes the game unplayable.
And to the person who suggested making only one armbrace a person...
I can see your point, though I do disagree with it. It may make it pointless to dupe armbraces, but what about ectos, black dyes or other valuables that its just as easy to dupe? It may not be as profitable, but it can certainly affect the prices of said item. Heck, you can dupe crystallines or other 100k + xxx ecto weapons/shields/whatever. The only way to stop duping was to remove the reconnect feature, or rollback and ban the dupers, which imo would have been a bad idea anyway.
So to sum up. Anet, please put some importance to re-instating the reconnect feature, and if possible to fixing the server lag that has been steadily growing in the past months. Otherwise, I think that adding the expansion will only multiply the server issues, and just make more problems for all of us.
I've decided to wait on buying Gw:en anyway, I start college like 3 days before it comes out, and i want to wait and see if its worth buying for armor/weapons, etc. But if these problems keep growing, I see no point in paying further money if i can't even play the game.
immortius
It will be fixed when it is fixed. It is probably at least somewhat complex an issue to resolve, and they will want to be careful to ensure that it will not happen again.
A question for you - have you contact support about your lag/disconnect issue? If not, then you have waive the right to complain IMO.
A question for you - have you contact support about your lag/disconnect issue? If not, then you have waive the right to complain IMO.
MithranArkanere
I can't care less about the reconnect. I've only seen it once. There was a blackout for a few seconds in my house.
They are on it. We lived without the reconnect for ages.
Hang on.
They are on it. We lived without the reconnect for ages.
Hang on.
jrk247
Yeah but the lag/dc's have never been this bad before, hence why it would be nice to atleast get the reconnect feature up and running again so we can atleast play with the lag rather than play with the lag get dc'd and then not be able to reconnect.
FelixTheBang
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Well, I had 2 hours of work wasted, what do you expect me to do? Kiss anet's feet?
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jrk247
Well some parts of this game (HM, DoA, FoW, UW, Urgoz, Deep) are work, where it actually takes brains to play. Yes get that, some games require you to think and work and cooperate unlike going to RA. So yes parts of this game are work. almost finishing a DoA quest and then getting DC'd is a waste of time/work.
genofreek
Well, my thing is, if you make it 1 per account, then that's actually going to kill the number of people in certain areas of NF. Once they get their treasure, they won't be back.
That's why I said it shouldn't be limited to just one.
Maybe raise the number you can use per account above one, or make it like Factions' Amulet of Mists so that you can only get it once per character?
That's why I said it shouldn't be limited to just one.
Maybe raise the number you can use per account above one, or make it like Factions' Amulet of Mists so that you can only get it once per character?
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you are wrong about games being work, they are games they are meant to be fun! whatever parts of the game you do or whatever area you play that requires thinking, its still meant to be fun not work because its a game. felix is correct maybe you should reevaluate your reasons for playing. the only time you can really call games work is if you are developing, designing, programming it
Loviatar
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so they should not have locked down the reconnects until a full fix was done which might take weeks giving the dupers time to pass a ton more duped items to innicent people?
that goes beyond stupid to moronic
a wrecked economy is much worse than the temporary inconvenience of no reconnects while they fix it
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Taurucis is right. To use a very old, very familiar quote:
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that goes beyond stupid to moronic
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jrk247
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yes it has ever played on euro servers?
you are wrong about games being work, they are games they are meant to be fun! whatever parts of the game you do or whatever area you play that requires thinking, its still meant to be fun not work because its a game. felix is correct maybe you should reevaluate your reasons for playing. the only time you can really call games work is if you are developing, designing, programming it |
Taurucis
It is not my ISP. Many other people are disconnecting as well. When I DCed I asked people in the Gate of Anguish if they DCed.
5 people said yes.
Ooh, I must be having a very nice LAN party tonight...
5 people said yes.
Ooh, I must be having a very nice LAN party tonight...
InfernalSuffering
While your PvE economy is great and all...
The Monthly Automated Tournaments are coming up in a matter of days. These aren't just in game items people are losing, but many guilds and players have been spending an entire month in order to get ready for this not to mention that real world prizes are being handed out to top placers. Compare that to your 2 hours spent vanquishing and area and that one gold item you lost. Many top PvP players have already left the game do to lack of caring for the PvP community and behalf of ANet. This could make many more leave and the rest lose what little faith they had in ANet.
Then again, all you people care about is PvE and that ecto you missed.
The Monthly Automated Tournaments are coming up in a matter of days. These aren't just in game items people are losing, but many guilds and players have been spending an entire month in order to get ready for this not to mention that real world prizes are being handed out to top placers. Compare that to your 2 hours spent vanquishing and area and that one gold item you lost. Many top PvP players have already left the game do to lack of caring for the PvP community and behalf of ANet. This could make many more leave and the rest lose what little faith they had in ANet.
Then again, all you people care about is PvE and that ecto you missed.
murtagh deadmoon
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Ok now that that's done with, The Dupers WERE NOT JUST duping Armbraces so for gods sake stop thinking it all has a simple one click fix. Deal with it, everyone is suffering from it but everyone will suffer more if they put re-connects back in. So as was said before "DEAL WITH IT!"
Thargor
The OP has a good point. I have been playing since the release day of GW. We did not have reconnects back then and we managed to get by with little problem. However, lately it has become a major issue. All the talk about people having a crappy ISP is utter bullshit. The other night I was in HA, we won the first match then had 2 people (from opposite ends of the country) disconnect at exactly the same time, less than 10 seconds later the other team had 2 people disconnect at exactly the same time.
If you look thru the forums (not just this one) there are tons of complaints about this issue. I find it extremely hard to believe that all of the recent connection problems lies solely with the ISP's of so many people. I know some people will have problems with not so great ISP service bu tit has surpassed that point and seriously needs to be fixed.
I do hope that they get the reconnect feature back in once it has been fixed.
I also hope they quit denying that at least some of the major connection problems are on the server end and not keep up the same old crap about it being all our fault.
If you look thru the forums (not just this one) there are tons of complaints about this issue. I find it extremely hard to believe that all of the recent connection problems lies solely with the ISP's of so many people. I know some people will have problems with not so great ISP service bu tit has surpassed that point and seriously needs to be fixed.
I do hope that they get the reconnect feature back in once it has been fixed.
I also hope they quit denying that at least some of the major connection problems are on the server end and not keep up the same old crap about it being all our fault.
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Taurucis
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Allow me a moment to laugh at how naive you are being. LOL
Ok now that that's done with, The Dupers WERE NOT JUST duping Armbraces so for gods sake stop thinking it all has a simple one click fix. Deal with it, everyone is suffering from it but everyone will suffer more if they put re-connects back in. So as was said before |
You do know that Anet can screw around however they want with the game's economy and all the items, but they can't give you back the collective days and all that effort wasted from disconnects.
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the_jos
Ok, here is my opinion (again).
It's not good that recconnects are not possible at the moment, specially when doing stuff that takes longer then the average mission.
Thinking mainly endgame areas and vanquishing here.
The problem is not only client side. I had several guild members dc at once (in deep) and of thise one lives in the middle east and one in the UK. I don't think they share much infrastructure up to the main servers in Europe.
On other events, guildies dropped at various points, indicating problems more near their client.
Sometimes at very bad times, I know one guildie dc-ed at gem-drop in DoA and an alliance member in the last part of a HM mission.
While this is bad, the only thing I really hope is that A-net fixes this before GW:EN release (and early game).
I expect more people online then, so more lag and more DC.
But if it takes A-net an other week to sort things out, so be it.
It's not good that recconnects are not possible at the moment, specially when doing stuff that takes longer then the average mission.
Thinking mainly endgame areas and vanquishing here.
The problem is not only client side. I had several guild members dc at once (in deep) and of thise one lives in the middle east and one in the UK. I don't think they share much infrastructure up to the main servers in Europe.
On other events, guildies dropped at various points, indicating problems more near their client.
Sometimes at very bad times, I know one guildie dc-ed at gem-drop in DoA and an alliance member in the last part of a HM mission.
While this is bad, the only thing I really hope is that A-net fixes this before GW:EN release (and early game).
I expect more people online then, so more lag and more DC.
But if it takes A-net an other week to sort things out, so be it.
Taurucis
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Ok, here is my opinion (again).
It's not good that recconnects are not possible at the moment, specially when doing stuff that takes longer then the average mission. Thinking mainly endgame areas and vanquishing here. The problem is not only client side. I had several guild members dc at once (in deep) and of thise one lives in the middle east and one in the UK. I don't think they share much infrastructure up to the main servers in Europe. On other events, guildies dropped at various points, indicating problems more near their client. Sometimes at very bad times, I know one guildie dc-ed at gem-drop in DoA and an alliance member in the last part of a HM mission. While this is bad, the only thing I really hope is that A-net fixes this before GW:EN release (and early game). I expect more people online then, so more lag and more DC. But if it takes A-net an other week to sort things out, so be it. |
Faer
QQ MOAR.
They'll bring the reconnects back when they have patched the exploit. Ranting about your disconnection problems in Sardelac isn't going to help one bit. And seeing as how this isn't a section for rants...
Locked.
They'll bring the reconnects back when they have patched the exploit. Ranting about your disconnection problems in Sardelac isn't going to help one bit. And seeing as how this isn't a section for rants...
Locked.