My build - Advice?

Grumpy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2007

Washington State

18 Aug 2007 at 23:40 - 1

Well, I've always thought of myself as an 'okay' monk, not spectactular, but I do my job well and usually keep my team alive through hard spots. I've been wondering lately if there is anything I can do to improve my build, so here I am.

I run 12 Protection, 9+1+1 Healing and 8+1 Divine Favour

[card]Zealous Benediction[/card][card]Reverse Hex[/card][card]Gift of Health[/card][card]Shield of Absorption[/card][card]Protective Spirit[/card][card]Glyph of Lesser Energy[/card][card]Dismiss Condition[/card][card]Resurrection Chant[/card]

That's the build there, all advice is welcome(Well, most.)

Thanks in advance.

Stormlord Alex

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Dec 2005

Beyond the Forest of Doom, past the Cavern of Agony... on Kitten & Puppy Island

Soul of Melandru [sOm]

W/E

18 Aug 2007 at 23:45 - 2

Personally?
Drop Reverse Hex. The effect isn't strong enough to warrant the 10e tag, and there's no pressing need to have hexes off instantly in PvE.

Remove Hex is pretty good atm, it got buffed good.
[skill]remove hex[/skill]

moko

??uo??o??

Join Date: May 2006

19 Aug 2007 at 08:31 - 3

drop gift, drop your major, drop reverse hex

take remove hex, take guardian, take a minor prot also (and your headscalp?)

also i'm not a fan of the hardrezzes on monks in general but since the Aegis nerf i wouldn't know what to take for it anyways, at least get Rebirth or something.

Tab

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2006

Under a bridge

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Mo/

19 Aug 2007 at 08:43 - 4

Assuming this is for PvE, run:
[skill]zealous benediction[/skill][skill]reversal of fortune[/skill][skill]guardian[/skill][skill]protective spirit[/skill][skill]dismiss condition[/skill][skill]remove hex[/skill][skill]glyph of lesser energy[/skill][skill]rebirth[/skill]

samcobra

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

USA

Mo/Me

19 Aug 2007 at 15:58 - 5

holy shit, why would you drop gift of health? Its the best skill in the game on a prot monk's bar. Even ZB.

moko

??uo??o??

Join Date: May 2006

19 Aug 2007 at 16:09 - 6

Quote:

Originally Posted by samcobra

holy shit, why would you drop gift of health? Its the best skill in the game on a prot monk's bar. Even ZB. no dont be dumb. :|

Melody Cross

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2006

Alliance of Anguish [aOa]

Mo/

19 Aug 2007 at 18:24 - 7

Quote:

Originally Posted by samcobra

why would you drop gift of health? Its the best skill in the game on a prot monk's bar. Even ZB. overheal. Most backlines prefer a healer and a protter, so GoH would burn energy doing the other monks job. i guess thats why, at least.

But since the OP is running a ZB build, he's probably used to running with another hybrid prot; hopefully an LoD.

Gift is a great skill if your duo is expecting you to use it.

FYI: there is nothing wrong with Aegis in PvE. In fact, as far as PvE is concerned, it got a rather solid buff.

@OP: drop Reverse Hex and take Remove; drop rez chant and take rebirth. Drop ZB if you are in a rigid healer/protter backline and take SoD, SoR or RC. SoA is great on great tanks, bad when agro scatters.

And if this ISN'T for PvE go Mo/W or Mo/A for RA, TA and AB for stances, Mo/Me for channeling in HA. I haven't seen a serious guild run ZB in a long time for GvG so...

GGs

samcobra

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

USA

Mo/Me

19 Aug 2007 at 18:44 - 8

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mokone

no dont be dumb. :| ok.... you're stupid. Gift gives a low cost heal of ~96 available every 5 seconds. You're already running ZB, which is a nice heal, but with the functionality of a heal other at > 50% levels. TBH, in pve there's very little reason people should drop below 50% in the first place. The AI is pretty retarded and protting people is a breeze. But that being said, gift allows you to mop up damage if someone is say between 80% and 100% health. In fact, on a normal character, that 20% health gap would amount to about 120 health, of which 5/6ths would be taken care of by a 5e gift.

So no, you're being dumb when you disagree with the statement.

@ Melody Cross: As for not knowing the other monk's bar, that's just a matter of either control clicking or pressing K and clicking on the face of either Tahlkora or Dunkoro.

@ OP: I like your bar. However, if I were you, I'd bring remove instead of reverse ( I know you're thinking of synergy with GoLE, but its still not worth it) I would definitely bring RoF in there-> most likely by replacing the hard res. As amazing as RoF is in PvP, its even better in PvE where almost all the damage meets the full conditionality of the skill. Also, I'd personally suggest bringing SoD instead of ZB. Preventing damage helps a hell of a lot more than healing it up.

moko

??uo??o??

Join Date: May 2006

19 Aug 2007 at 20:56 - 9

Quote:

Originally Posted by samcobra

ok.... you're stupid. Gift gives a low cost heal of ~96 available every 5 seconds. You're already running ZB, which is a nice heal, but with the functionality of a heal other at > 50% levels. TBH, in pve there's very little reason people should drop below 50% in the first place. The AI is pretty retarded and protting people is a breeze. But that being said, gift allows you to mop up damage if someone is say between 80% and 100% health. In fact, on a normal character, that 20% health gap would amount to about 120 health, of which 5/6ths would be taken care of by a 5e gift.

So no, you're being dumb when you disagree with the statement. ^no things wouldn't die either way. clearly i'm not since my stuff doesn't die.

the only place where i'd allow you to run gift is in gvg or ha but running zb is dumb there so yay.

gift was there so the prot bars that don't have a DIRECT healing elite (sod, sor, rc) could have a really good heal with little spec, while zb doesn't need this AT ALL.

the way you are arguing we could just take another elite instead of ZB, prot better and clean the trash with Goh. (which you did say in your last sentence, but still; goh doesn't belong on a ZB bar if you aren't terrible, case closed)

now, if PvE was keeping bars at 100% all time, you are right, but it's not, so your argument is absolutely invalid.

gg.

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

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Mo/

19 Aug 2007 at 21:05 - 10

If this is for pve I would go Mo/Mes for Leech Signet and Power Drain or Return to gain some energy back.You could drop gift for word of comfort or keep gift if you are in 2 protect team.I would suggest Aegis as well but I am still trying a good way to play this in pve.

Grumpy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2007

Washington State

22 Aug 2007 at 19:51 - 11

Ok, thanks everyone for the input. It is a PvE build.

I've changed it around, and here's the final result.

[card]Shield of Deflection[/card][card]Remove Hex[/card][card]Reversal of Fortune[/card][card]Shield of Absorption[/card][card]Protective Spirit[/card][card]Glyph of Lesser Energy[/card][card]Dismiss Condition[/card][card]Rebirth[/card]

OS T

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

Mo/E

22 Aug 2007 at 20:50 - 12

my advice to you is to run zb,rof,dismiss,ps,smite hex,aegis,gole,rebirth..drop remove hex.it takes way to long to cast,and if you are backup with zb monk go SOR build with seed of life..ive vanqed elona,almost every area in tyria with that zb build...

Grumpy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2007

Washington State

22 Aug 2007 at 20:54 - 13

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Tab

Jungle Guide

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Mo/

22 Aug 2007 at 20:55 - 14

Update notes are a great read you know. Remove is a 1s cast now.

ca_aok

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Xen of Onslaught

E/Me

22 Aug 2007 at 21:40 - 15

They should really update the skill icons at some point lol.

On a ZB bar you can use Dismiss condition for a "top-up" heal anyway.

But since he's now running SoD... he should go back to gift again :/ I'd drop Rebirth for it unless your group forces you to bring a rez.

moko

??uo??o??

Join Date: May 2006

23 Aug 2007 at 13:37 - 16

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Originally Posted by Grumpy

MrSlayer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

United Kingdom

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Mo/

23 Aug 2007 at 15:54 - 17

Shield of Deflection, from personal opinion, isn't a great skill for PvE.

In response to the earlier argument, I have always found Gift of Health brilliant. ZB can be troublesome in PvE when running with a Prot and a Heal, as alot of times, you hit ZB on someone who's low on health the exact same time that the healer monk does, you lose the 10 energy without any energy gain when you could have healed them nearly as well with Gift of Health.

I don't run with prot very often, but whenever I do, I run with something like...

[card]Reversal of Fortune[/card][card]Gift of Health[/card][card]Zealous Benediction[/card][card]Dismiss Condition[/card][card]Remove Hex[/card][card]Protective Spirit[/card][card]Shield of Absorption[/card][card]Rebirth[/card]

It's ALOT down to personal preference. I have seen people keep an entire party alive in PvE with good use of Reversal of Fortune and Zealous Benediction, but they ran into energy problems pretty fast. Whereas others have managed just as well with no e-management issues, with use of more skills.

I play Heal most of the time, so I like the advantage of ZB, RoF and GoH as nice heals.

But when I run that Prot build, I rarely get people dying in my group. Although, as I have said several times, I'm a healer at heart so I'm MUCH better with a healing build.

And Mokone...you would only allow use of GoH in GvG and such, yet now you tell him to put it BACK in the guild after adamantly saying it wasn't needed. GG dude...

moko

??uo??o??

Join Date: May 2006

23 Aug 2007 at 18:25 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mokone

gift was there so the prot bars that don't have a DIRECT healing elite (sod, sor, rc) could have a really good heal with little spec, while zb doesn't need this AT ALL.

the way you are arguing we could just take another elite instead of ZB, prot better and clean the trash with Goh. (which you did say in your last sentence, but still; goh doesn't belong on a ZB bar if you aren't terrible, case closed)

Quote:

And Mokone...you would only allow use of GoH in GvG and such, yet now you tell him to put it BACK in the guild after adamantly saying it wasn't needed. GG dude... reading is key. gg yourself. -_-

Rohan

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

Wasted Days [wD]

23 Aug 2007 at 20:31 - 19

I honestly think Prot Spirit is a waste in PvE...I think it would be worth it to take it in HM but then again....I haven't pved in a loong time, let alone HM

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

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Mo/

23 Aug 2007 at 22:41 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rohizzle

I honestly think Prot Spirit is a waste in PvE...I think it would be worth it to take it in HM but then again....I haven't pved in a loong time, let alone HM No it is not a waste in PvE it is needed as much there as PvP.

ender6

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

Mo/

24 Aug 2007 at 14:31 - 21

Indeed. Bosses with spike dmg. Players who feel armor isn't a necessary attribute. PS certainly has its place in PvE.

Though I like Remove Hex considering the recent buff it has recieved, I still often op to bring Holy Veil over it. Nothing like pre-veiling, even in PvE -- takes a little more managment, but can be quite worth it.

Legendary Shiz

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

25 Aug 2007 at 07:12 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mokone

^no things wouldn't die either way. clearly i'm not since my stuff doesn't die.

the only place where i'd allow you to run gift is in gvg or ha but running zb is dumb there so yay.

gift was there so the prot bars that don't have a DIRECT healing elite (sod, sor, rc) could have a really good heal with little spec, while zb doesn't need this AT ALL.

the way you are arguing we could just take another elite instead of ZB, prot better and clean the trash with Goh. (which you did say in your last sentence, but still; goh doesn't belong on a ZB bar if you aren't terrible, case closed)

now, if PvE was keeping bars at 100% all time, you are right, but it's not, so your argument is absolutely invalid.

gg. Sorry mate, gotta disagree with you. I use gift on my ZB bar all the time, it's a lot because I transfered my PvP builds right over to PvE since I was just used to using the builds and gift is still a very viable skill in a ZB PvE bar.

If you use ZB in the instances where you could be using gift, that is over healing. I, like everybody, typically try to only use ZB when it's needed and when I'll reap the benefits from it. When bars aren't that low, or I just don't have 10e and I need a quick heal (aka no time for GoLE) gift does this perfect.

This is me speaking from doing 99% of my PvE monking with heroes, or doing FoW stuff where I was the only/main monk (the other would be a bonder).

If you're going pure prot, 100% prot prot prot and there was a good heal monk in the party with you, I could see your argument.

moko

??uo??o??

Join Date: May 2006

25 Aug 2007 at 08:23 - 23

i don't see how you can consider a bar with ZB as elite pure prot.

yeah, of course it's over healing, but i wasn't suggesting to use ZB -- i'm just suggesting not to heal up at all, because afterall, if things don't die, you're doing your job. if things are dropping low enough, you can ZB them up.

if i'm going 100% prot prot prot with zb and there's a healing monk i would be a very dumb person allowing the other monk to screw up my 50%s.

the only time i know i'd want gift is when i know there's TONS of aoe around and i'm 1000000000000% sure that ZB alone won't outheal this for all...but in that case i would just go lod, so heh.

but whatever works for you guys i guess. D:

6am3 Fana71c

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

25 Aug 2007 at 09:18 - 24

Why is no one using [card]Life Sheath[/card]? 150 prevented damage doesn't sound so bad...

Stormlord Alex

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Dec 2005

Beyond the Forest of Doom, past the Cavern of Agony... on Kitten & Puppy Island

Soul of Melandru [sOm]

W/E

25 Aug 2007 at 10:24 - 25

Because it's marginally better than RoF, and a waste of an elite.

ca_aok

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Xen of Onslaught

E/Me

25 Aug 2007 at 12:09 - 26

You don't need Gift with ZB... You can heal with ZB, Dismiss, and RoF, and if you need to outheal more than that you need a more competent second monk, or you need to be running a better build.

Burst Cancel

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2006

Domain of Broken Game Mechanics

27 Aug 2007 at 21:02 - 27

What you bring is going to depend on what your second monk is. That said, ZB/Gift tends not to make sense in most situations. If your second monk is heavy prot, a ZB/Gift usually isn't enough healing strength. If your second monk is heavy heal, ZB is a waste of time. If your second monk is a hybrid, there's going to be a lot of overhealing and prot overlap unless you're very well coordinated (i.e., not hero/hench/PuG).

ZB/Gift is fairly strong for PvE solo monking (e.g., 4/6-man HM), but it's not so hot in dual-monking situations.

Age

Hall Hero

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Mo/

27 Aug 2007 at 21:36 - 28

Maybe it is best to use SoR or SoD I don't find Life Sheath to be that bad for PvE.