I need to get about 800 points for the next story mission. But how? I have no quests left that give me points.
I gotta say, the PvE section is pretty turgid after a while. The online community is on balance pretty unhelpful and disinterested in grouping. Using the heroes/ henchmen just turns combat into a mess. There's no point in adopting any strategy either since the best thing is to go en masse target after target. I have to say I'm getting very bored of being dragged halfway across the map killing the same mass of mobs every time just to be told to go to another point and so on. The Fools Luck mission is a perfect example; it is simpley the worst mission I've ever played. It is boring, tedious and exceptionally long winded. I am finding precious little incentive to continue pve in NF other than getting stuff for pvp.
sunspear grind
wishface
Healers Wisper
goto the rez shrine and talk to the poor guy left to guard it. he'll give you a bounty and then you go kill what he tells you to. Lazy sob sends me to do his work..... He should do it and I should ss pts free 
wishface
I know about the bounty thing, but i need 800points. That's just dull gameplay.
AngeloM3
it may be dull...... but its still gameplay that has to get done.
wishface
that's the problem.
dargon
I'm sure if you wander around and look at the different NPC's, you'll find more quests you can do while killing the mobs you have bounties for. Really though, 800 points isn't that difficult to get.
Darkobra
7 points per kill, 115 kills. Doesn't seem so tough.
Coloneh
if you can find any way to have fun here go play runescape. then come back. I guarantee guild wars will seem alot funner. and if your just here to complain feel free to quit and dont let the dont hit you in the ass.
Iuris
It's all actually just the penalty for not having taken on bounties from the start. If you do that, you barely ever have to go out specifically to earn points.
wishface
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if you can find any way to have fun here go play runescape. then come back. I guarantee guild wars will seem alot funner. and if your just here to complain feel free to quit and dont let the dont hit you in the ass.
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i thought guild wars wasn't about grinding and all the boring stuff other online games make you do.
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It's all actually just the penalty for not having taken on bounties from the start. If you do that, you barely ever have to go out specifically to earn points.
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Isileth
Sadly its a cheap and easy way of extending the playtime of a game. GW compared to other games is very good and not forcing you to grind. It still is present however and wont be going away anytime soon. But you wont find less in any other MMO tbh. Its something you just have to grit your teeth and get it over with. Thankfully due to the bounties it doesnt take that long, just try not to let it ruin the rest of the game for you.
SotiCoto
If you're actually having difficulty gaining Sunspear points anywhere outside of Istan (assuming NM) then there is something seriously wrong.
Given that I can take a few bounties and go on a random killing spree just while running between outposts to unlock them on the M-map... and end up with Sunspear Rank 6 before I even notice the progression..... it isn't that much of a grind.
If you want to start complaining about it being a grind, wait until you reach Rank 8 on your way to Rank 9 and have to do it all in Hard Mode with Judundu. THAT is a grind.
Given that I can take a few bounties and go on a random killing spree just while running between outposts to unlock them on the M-map... and end up with Sunspear Rank 6 before I even notice the progression..... it isn't that much of a grind.
If you want to start complaining about it being a grind, wait until you reach Rank 8 on your way to Rank 9 and have to do it all in Hard Mode with Judundu. THAT is a grind.
wishface
I think the problem is the heroes and the henchmen, they take a lot out of combat. All you have is a large mob of characters who wade in with you. It detracts from stealth, strategy and planning. There is very little control you can realistically exert over them and half the time even promoting them to do things like rez you is fruitless. That plus the fact that most of the groups of mobs outnumber you so taking a considered approach to formation (ie sticking healers at the back) just doesn't work beause the mobs run around them or move about so much anyway. It tries a formation approach in an environment that disregards it. It's nt like Total War where you can hold the line with large armies. It's a shame because it's a nice idea, but it doesn't really work.
It also means that I can't maximise the effectveness of my skills since I don't fight alone or even with a team of prepared players, as per PVP.
It also means that I can't maximise the effectveness of my skills since I don't fight alone or even with a team of prepared players, as per PVP.
RTSFirebat
This is what happens when people don't do bounties along the way. If you had done while doing quests you'd have plenty now... i have almost 5000+ point in no time at all without even trying.
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Yanman.be
If you want to see real grind, go play Silkroad Online, WoW, runescape, or any other MMO.
Devronius
I have a little over 15,000 sunspear points on my main character now. How do you think I feel? Getting up to 800 is nothing really. Explore the world, look at the scenery
quickmonty
Take some time and learn how to use the heroes and henchmen. I find they are better than most PUGs. The problem is that they are no better than the person using them. It sounds like you are still on the starter island. If you are having serious problems there you will find it extremely difficult once you reach the mainland. Maybe, find a nice guild that is willing to help newer players. And you won't find much sympathy here on the forums, especially if you try to shoot down people who are trying to offer solutions to your problems.
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I have a little over 15,000 sunspear points on my main character now. How do you think I feel? Getting up to 800 is nothing really. Explore the world, look at the scenery
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Take some time and learn how to use the heroes and henchmen. I find they are better than most PUGs. The problem is that they are no better than the person using them. It sounds like you are still on the starter island. If you are having serious problems there you will find it extremely difficult once you reach the mainland. Maybe, find a nice guild that is willing to help newer players. And you won't find much sympathy here on the forums, especially if you try to shoot down people who are trying to offer solutions to your problems.
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im in kourna.
the only strategy worth using with heroes is to send everyone en masse to the same target.
RTSFirebat
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not getting to 800. getting 800.
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Don't take this the wrong way but I think you should check out the builds forums or Guildwiki, get your heros some good builds and learn how to use them?
If you having trouble getting 800 points, you should go back to Istan. You won't stand a chance in later parts of the game when it really gets hard.
Ghost Omel
as it was sad before it not hard Yesterday i was Sunspear General at somehting like 4-5k of points 2 hours of play time yesterday 1 hour of playtime today doing quest to get shards from monolith and getting things from Gjhostly scouts(Desolation) I didnt even know you CAN do that before getting 7 points per kill from undead getting 7 points per kill from insects getting 7 points per kill from giants getting 2 points of LB from killing margionited it all adds up to 1000+ points dude you dont know how to play the game and grind never experienced before sorry
efazzo
The concerns are valid but then again, it's not that much grind. You should be able to get the points in a couple of hours while you do boring delivery boy quests or unlock outposts that you dont need anyways...
I had to get the needed sunspear points so that i could challenge Morgan's men on Istan. Had to do some delivery work there. Boring. After many hours and reaching level 13 i could finally leave this terrible noob isle.
A boring and bad aspect of the game but overall i like GW. A pity that they make players do stuff that they find boring.
People dont really team up much, that's true. Mostly due to hero teams being stronger than the average PUG and due to how easy most parts of Nightfall are. In the other chapters, people are more likely to PUG - especially in Cantha.
Nightfall seems less demanding than the other two already easy chapters. Many missions are just pointless slaughtering of the same chanceless mobs until you reach the boss. Some are more interesting though and you'll usually find people to team up with for those.
GW isnt a strategical game, it's a tactical game. So no surprise that you wont find any strategy.
Many players love the grind as you can see from many responses in this thread and the developers seem to cater to those players more and more each chapter.
It's still a good game though, and im looking forward to GWEN - not to do all the boring delivery boy quests but hopefully for some exciting missions and a nice story line.
On the contrary, it's you who is clueless. The OP needs to gather Sunspear points to progress in the storyline and thus he cannot access the end game region yet to get 7 points per kill. Doh.
I had to get the needed sunspear points so that i could challenge Morgan's men on Istan. Had to do some delivery work there. Boring. After many hours and reaching level 13 i could finally leave this terrible noob isle.
A boring and bad aspect of the game but overall i like GW. A pity that they make players do stuff that they find boring.
People dont really team up much, that's true. Mostly due to hero teams being stronger than the average PUG and due to how easy most parts of Nightfall are. In the other chapters, people are more likely to PUG - especially in Cantha.
Nightfall seems less demanding than the other two already easy chapters. Many missions are just pointless slaughtering of the same chanceless mobs until you reach the boss. Some are more interesting though and you'll usually find people to team up with for those.
GW isnt a strategical game, it's a tactical game. So no surprise that you wont find any strategy.
Many players love the grind as you can see from many responses in this thread and the developers seem to cater to those players more and more each chapter.
It's still a good game though, and im looking forward to GWEN - not to do all the boring delivery boy quests but hopefully for some exciting missions and a nice story line
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(Desolation) I didnt even know you CAN do that before getting 7 points per kill from undead getting 7 points per kill from insects getting 7 points per kill from giants getting 2 points of LB from killing margionited it all adds up to 1000+ points dude you dont know how to play the game
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Ghost Omel
OK Lets try Vabbi oh wait courna yeah scouts uhhu Desolation was just as an example it applies to all regions i believe sorry there fella to bad hmm critics are alwasy so naive lol
But in any case dont worry about the Grind just do quests and on the way pick up 'bounties' as it was stated previously
And i believe Realm of Tourment is END game area
But in any case dont worry about the Grind just do quests and on the way pick up 'bounties' as it was stated previously
And i believe Realm of Tourment is END game area
rancidgoat
if you have progressed this far go to The Depths Of Madness and take the bounty you get 8 sunspear points for each Marg you kill and double for bosses.
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Depths_of_Madness
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Depths_of_Madness
Alperuzi
In kourna, you should be level 20. Switch to HM and go for bosses after 25 kills. This'll net you more than 800 points in two boss kills.
SotiCoto
... If I can get over 1000 points by wiping out Sunward Marches or Marga Coast in Normal Mode with my Dervish.... then getting 800 points is no trouble at all.
Desolation?
Not necessary.
My Assassin was Sunspear Castellan before he even reached Vabbi.... as was my Elementalist.... and neither of them even touched Hard Mode.
Desolation?
Not necessary.
My Assassin was Sunspear Castellan before he even reached Vabbi.... as was my Elementalist.... and neither of them even touched Hard Mode.
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In kourna, you should be level 20. Switch to HM and go for bosses after 25 kills. This'll net you more than 800 points in two boss kills.
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.The OP isnt asking about how to farm SP just for the sake of a new title but for progressing the story line.
You have to get some Sunspear rank after leaving noob isle, most characters wont be level 20 then btw.
800 points is interesting news though. Didnt know that.
Lady Ana Stacia
He probably needs the required 2500 for Sunspear General to be able to progress with And a Hero Shall Lead them...Regardless that should take no time at all and honestly, if you've done every quest and are still shy, you obviously haven't been taking the bounty at every opportunity.
As for hero control like everyone else has said, hero's are more often then not better then any pug you can find. It just seems as tho you need work on managing them and making them efficient.
As for hero control like everyone else has said, hero's are more often then not better then any pug you can find. It just seems as tho you need work on managing them and making them efficient.
wishface
I know all that, it doesn't change the fact. The best strategy is to take targetts down one at a time (as most mobs outlevel them individually and outnumber the group anyway).
Whirlwind
Wow please don't skip the rest of Elona lol. Its the best content in the game IMHO... You'd be missing out on a LOT.
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Wow please don't skip the rest of Elona lol. Its the best content in the game IMHO... You'd be missing out on a LOT.
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But I do agree that Elona shouldn't be skipped any more than any other part of the game should be skipped. While you can go main-quest exclusive and skip all the other content in theory.... I'd recommend taking a good look around any of the continents to experience them properly.
Unlike some people I do not advocate quick-playing... [while with some characters I have skipped straight from Gates of Kryta (end at Lion's Arch) to Sanctum Kay in prophecies, I always come back later for the Maguuma Jungle]
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I know all that, it doesn't change the fact. The best strategy is to take targetts down one at a time (as most mobs outlevel them individually and outnumber the group anyway).
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shanaya
I have found that the most fun strategy when needing to 'grind' for sunspear or lightbringer points is to try to combine the grind with something else. For example, you could set yourself the task of completely mapping an area - helps towards cartography title. Or, take a look an area in Guildwiki and find out if there are any useful elite skills you can capture while getting sunspear points. Similarly you could find out if there any useful items to collect that can be traded in for collectors weapons - as an example of this, the popular sunspear farming area just east of Yohlon Haven in Arkjok Ward can produce lots of insect carapaces that can be swapped for good collectors weapons etc.
I am currently grinding LB points in Mirror Of Lys with one of my newer characters and combining it with chest opening and ID'ing gold items.
I am currently grinding LB points in Mirror Of Lys with one of my newer characters and combining it with chest opening and ID'ing gold items.
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I know all that, it doesn't change the fact. The best strategy is to take targetts down one at a time (as most mobs outlevel them individually and outnumber the group anyway).
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willypiggy
ok listen, it is only in NF there is a grind, there is a very small one in Factions but that can be fun and you get something useful, unlike the just the sunspear title. I think grinding is only horrible if you make it horrible, i mean dont just sit there in one go, grind 1/4 of your target then watch TV, play another game, play a board game (I love those things ^^) or go out for a walk. But seriousley, if your having trouble getting 800 points you will have trouble for the rest of the game. it'll seem really easy if you had of gotten the bountys in the first place, you would either not have to grind or only get like 100 points.
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charming attitude.
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Its optional, you dont need to to advance in this game, and if you choose to grind out certain titles and so on, thats at your decision, not because you are required to by the game
GW is rather ground breaking in being the the only massive online to not require high lvl grinding and stuff like that
My 2 cents
I dont mean to step all over you by the way so dont take it that way, just speakin out
wishface
I don't intend to skip anything. That's not my style. If it was as simple as that, there'd be no problem.
SotiCoto
Ok... Wishface?
I don't know what you personally find entertaining..... but I rather like wiping out large groups of enemies.
How about this for a challenge:
Across Kourna... find the way to enter each explorable area closest to the Kournan Soldier bounty.... get the bounty... then charge up and clear out the fort in that area. Keep a count based on the Acolytes of the Gods defeated and count it as an achievement on behalf of the Sunspears.
I strongly recommend saving Jahai Bluffs for last... not least because it has two forts to clear out... but because the one in the middle has the Acolyte of Balthazar. As an extra warning... do NOT bring a Minion Master to fight him. It is suicide.
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Generally though... when I'm clearing an area for Sunspear points, I try to avoid killing anything that I don't have a bounty for. Sometimes just trying to avoid patrols and make your way to the shrine to get the bounty before killing any of them can make the hunt more fun.
Plus of course it is a good way to level up heroes.
I don't know what you personally find entertaining..... but I rather like wiping out large groups of enemies.
How about this for a challenge:
Across Kourna... find the way to enter each explorable area closest to the Kournan Soldier bounty.... get the bounty... then charge up and clear out the fort in that area. Keep a count based on the Acolytes of the Gods defeated and count it as an achievement on behalf of the Sunspears.
I strongly recommend saving Jahai Bluffs for last... not least because it has two forts to clear out... but because the one in the middle has the Acolyte of Balthazar. As an extra warning... do NOT bring a Minion Master to fight him. It is suicide.
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Generally though... when I'm clearing an area for Sunspear points, I try to avoid killing anything that I don't have a bounty for. Sometimes just trying to avoid patrols and make your way to the shrine to get the bounty before killing any of them can make the hunt more fun.
Plus of course it is a good way to level up heroes.