New update feature.
Sad, because I can't use Rebirth Signet anymore.
I suspect it was added because otherwise people would fill their bars up with those kickas, so-attribute-points-needed skills - I understand that, but really... I'd rather them leave the unlimited ammount. I didn't agree with PvE skills in the first place, but now if I have them... I'd prefer to use them all to their fullest potential. After all, I did grind to use them, didn't I: the grind was to do for the attribute points (lame... but hey, was given).
What do you say?
PvE skills capped to 3 at once
Cherrie
VitisVinifera
arbitrary nerf.......sorta like the armor cap
my opinion: odd
my opinion: odd
Winterclaw
Sounds like what they are doing with elites.
I demand to be able to use 3 elites in PvE.
I demand to be able to use 3 elites in PvE.
Arkantos
If we could fill our bars with 8 PvE only skills, PvE would be much easier then it already is. PvE only skills are ridiculously strong, having just 3 on a bar will make PvE alot easier. I think it's good they made the cap.
Dr Strangelove
Probably has something to do with the new pile of PvE-only skills coming out in Gwen.
Marverick
Yea they don't want 8 ruby djinns, 8 mursaat, 8 naga shamans and 8 ice imps running around with 20 minions and 6 other people wiping everything off the face of the pve world.
GloryFox
Rather disappointed I would like as a Ritualist to be able to summon all 4 creatures from the Asura title @ +64 % health.
/sigh
/sigh
Tarkin
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Originally Posted by Arkantos
If we could fill our bars with 8 PvE only skills, PvE would be much easier then it already is. PvE only skills are ridiculously strong, having just 3 on a bar will make PvE alot easier. I think it's good they made the cap.
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Sasuke The Betrayer
Well Tarkin... PvE skills obviously are stronger then normal skills... so when having a PvE skill only bar... its obviously > then a normal skill bar.
Navaros
I disagree that the game could get any easier.
As I stated in the farily recent Zinger thread on the EOTN board which incidentally seemed to exist for the purpose of implying the PVE skills should needlessly be nerfed this way (pretty ironic turn of events IMO now that they did happen to get nerfed),
As for: "they will make the game too easy" concern: Guild Wars in normal mode is already way too extremely easy even with the current skills, and none of the current PVE-only skills equipped. A player who understands the game can steamroll just about any area of PVE with Heroes, no problem, with no PVE-only skills equipped. Therefore any concern based on "making the game too easy" is a moot point. It can't get any easier than it is already, it's already reached the maximum threshold for easiness. Therefore any limitations on the new skills would not make the game "stay challenging". It would only needlessly limit the fun of being able to use new builds with all your available skills.
Not very exciting having 50 new PVE-only skills to collect now that they are gimped to only 3 at a time.
As I stated in the farily recent Zinger thread on the EOTN board which incidentally seemed to exist for the purpose of implying the PVE skills should needlessly be nerfed this way (pretty ironic turn of events IMO now that they did happen to get nerfed),
As for: "they will make the game too easy" concern: Guild Wars in normal mode is already way too extremely easy even with the current skills, and none of the current PVE-only skills equipped. A player who understands the game can steamroll just about any area of PVE with Heroes, no problem, with no PVE-only skills equipped. Therefore any concern based on "making the game too easy" is a moot point. It can't get any easier than it is already, it's already reached the maximum threshold for easiness. Therefore any limitations on the new skills would not make the game "stay challenging". It would only needlessly limit the fun of being able to use new builds with all your available skills.
Not very exciting having 50 new PVE-only skills to collect now that they are gimped to only 3 at a time.
MercenaryKnight
I don't see the big deal about having 8 pve skills. You won't have the skills at a good level until your basically through the game grinding for the max titles for the best of skills. I hope they re-think this. It's not going to be like everyones gonna get max titles in the beginning of the game thus getting through it like a piece of cake. They likely won't get their titles maxed and skills useful until the end game dungeons or mid-late game for grinders. So what's the big deal about letting people summon 4 monsters when they are going for the hardcore dungeons? Restrict them in the lower missions/ areas but unrestrict them for the late game people who farm.
??Ripskin
I never used those things anyways.
Redfeather1975
They don't want Attribute points to become extinct in PVE I am a guessing.
Play GW! Get PVE skill and then throw your attribute points out as you no longer need! It good game!
Play GW! Get PVE skill and then throw your attribute points out as you no longer need! It good game!
Onarik Amrak
Well... I'm thinking Sunspear Rebirth Signet should be left out of it, otherwise I'll never use it.
Back to good old Rezz Sig for me.
Back to good old Rezz Sig for me.
Engel the Fallen
Well it kind of needs to be asked...
What bars are people going to run with ONLY PvE skills? I fail to see how the FILL UP YOUR BAR mentally will work in regards to viable builds, that must first be grinded for.
Oh well, goodbye rebirth sig. Say hi to Prot Bond for me.
What bars are people going to run with ONLY PvE skills? I fail to see how the FILL UP YOUR BAR mentally will work in regards to viable builds, that must first be grinded for.
Oh well, goodbye rebirth sig. Say hi to Prot Bond for me.
Series
NEEDED update. With 100 pve skills being added, it is going to be nice that not everyone will be running identical uber-builds. 3 is a lot even, I would have preferred it to be "as many as you want, but only one per title at a time", making titles into a sort-of third profession (Monk/Mesmer/Asuran- can use monk skills, mesmer skills, and asuran in any combo). This change is okay though, I like, gg anet! This could have saved PvE from becoming a brainless beatdown... at least SOME skill will be required.
Redfeather1975
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Originally Posted by Engel the Fallen
Well it kind of needs to be asked...
What bars are people going to run with ONLY PvE skills? I fail to see how the FILL UP YOUR BAR mentally will work in regards to viable builds, that must first be grinded for. Oh well, goodbye rebirth sig. Say hi to Prot Bond for me. |
I'd assume the Asuran skills would fill out the rest of the bar.
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by Navaros
I disagree that the game could get any easier.
As I stated in the farily recent Zinger thread on the EOTN board which incidentally seemed to exist for the purpose of implying the PVE skills should needlessly be nerfed this way (pretty ironic turn of events IMO now that they did happen to get nerfed), As for: "they will make the game too easy" concern: Guild Wars in normal mode is already way too extremely easy even with the current skills, and none of the current PVE-only skills equipped. A player who understands the game can steamroll just about any area of PVE with Heroes, no problem, with no PVE-only skills equipped. Therefore any concern based on "making the game too easy" is a moot point. It can't get any easier than it is already, it's already reached the maximum threshold for easiness. Therefore any limitations on the new skills would not make the game "stay challenging". It would only needlessly limit the fun of being able to use new builds with all your available skills. Not very exciting having 50 new PVE-only skills to collect now that they are gimped to only 3 at a time. |
trobinson97
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Originally Posted by Arkantos
If we could fill our bars with 8 PvE only skills, PvE would be much easier then it already is. PvE only skills are ridiculously strong, having just 3 on a bar will make PvE alot easier. I think it's good they made the cap.
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Yes, because everyone plays the game just as you do, and for the same reasons. So what now, PvE was very challenging before PvE skills came about? And oh yeah, please show me a current 8 pve skill bar that makes the game much easier than it already is. This is one of those cases where, if you feel that doing "x" will make the game too easy, and you want a challenge, then don't do "x". But why is it important that everyone play exactly like you?
Really unnecessary update here.
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by trobinson97
And oh yeah, please show me a current 8 pve skill bar that makes the game much easier than it already is.
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MercenaryKnight
I made a post for a suggestion to change the pve only skill cap.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...53#post3071253
Vote in their or give your suggestions.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...53#post3071253
Vote in their or give your suggestions.
zwei2stein
Three? If it was me, i would cap it at *ONE* PvE skill on bar.
street peddler
im glad they did this. There would be no differentiation between professions and pve would become one build.
lucifair
it doesnt matter wut they do...we will still end up wit everyone running the same builds at end game...if they allowed u to have 8 pve skills then someone would come up wit a team build of 8 pve skills on every persons bar (because they are in general better than pvx skills)...now wit a cap of 3 ull just get someone making a team build for the elite areas containing 3 pve skills on everyones bar
heck even in general pve ur still gonna see certain builds for certain classes, probably being only 5 seperate builds for each class, so in all areas ull see limited diversity no matter how many pve skills u allow per bar...so imo diversity is a moot point in the argument
speaking of skill diversity though...the only people who will actually have any are gonna be either people who run firestorm on their warriors (hey its wut the box tells u to do, strike with a hamstring attack to cripple your fleeing opponent, then rain fire down upon him as he slowly limps away...imo...that is the deadliest of all combinations :P ). as well their will be the people who have a clue but like to try some random builds...or decide to run pvp builds in pve...cuz they still work well :P
heck even in general pve ur still gonna see certain builds for certain classes, probably being only 5 seperate builds for each class, so in all areas ull see limited diversity no matter how many pve skills u allow per bar...so imo diversity is a moot point in the argument
speaking of skill diversity though...the only people who will actually have any are gonna be either people who run firestorm on their warriors (hey its wut the box tells u to do, strike with a hamstring attack to cripple your fleeing opponent, then rain fire down upon him as he slowly limps away...imo...that is the deadliest of all combinations :P ). as well their will be the people who have a clue but like to try some random builds...or decide to run pvp builds in pve...cuz they still work well :P
Patrick Smit
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Well Ether Nightmare+Cry of Pain+Necrosis are already insane on 1 bar.
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erfweiss
This throws off my skillbar on my Paragon in torment realms.
Already have Spear of Fury, Save yourselves, and There's nothing to fear on there. Yeah, I can see where they're coming from. However, I'd have to take off LB gaze for that.
Already have Spear of Fury, Save yourselves, and There's nothing to fear on there. Yeah, I can see where they're coming from. However, I'd have to take off LB gaze for that.
Saraphim
Meh. I only used Intensity for a day till I realised it was bobbins. Glyph of Elemental Power however, has now got a perma-slot.
Limiting it to three seems fine to me.
Limiting it to three seems fine to me.
noblepaladin
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Well Ether Nightmare+Cry of Pain+Necrosis are already insane on 1 bar.
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SotiCoto
Doesn't really phase me.... for the moment.
I can see how it might bug some people.... but I guess they'll just have to get used to it... like the 1 Elite Skill slot.
Guess all farming builds and whatnot will have 1 Elite skill and 3 PvE skills from now on.
I can see how it might bug some people.... but I guess they'll just have to get used to it... like the 1 Elite Skill slot.
Guess all farming builds and whatnot will have 1 Elite skill and 3 PvE skills from now on.
FoxBat
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This throws off my skillbar on my Paragon in torment realms.
Already have Spear of Fury, Save yourselves, and There's nothing to fear on there. |
Nemo the Capitalist
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Rather disappointed I would like as a Ritualist to be able to summon all 4 creatures from the Asura title @ +64 % health.
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........./agree
intarwebs
I am pretty positive over this decision. 
Gli
Being allowed 3 of them STILL allows for monstrously strong builds. I think it's a good limit though.
Engel the Fallen
Outside of the NF skills, I want to see these super overpowered builds people speak of? I may be missing and need I think 4 more skills from the preview, but not seeing what you all are talking about outside the necro/mezmer combo [which was allowed unrestricted] without a problem? Why does having bite ear on your bar suddenly break the game?
ragnarson
The only time this seems to affect me is when I'm out skill capping with lb gaze as it limits the amount of cap sigs I can take. They should allow as many cap sigs as you want. May not be that big of a deal though if they don't fix Hall of Monuments to be able to display PvE titles (right now it seems that you can only display PvE).
Jayden_Angelus
Personally I just hate how they classify Signet of Capture as a PVE only skill, to me that should be along the same lines as say the original resurrection signet.
~|AW|Jayden
~|AW|Jayden
HawkofStorms
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Outside of the NF skills, I want to see these super overpowered builds people speak of? I may be missing and need I think 4 more skills from the preview, but not seeing what you all are talking about outside the necro/mezmer combo [which was allowed unrestricted] without a problem? Why does having bite ear on your bar suddenly break the game?
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Engel the Fallen
And these builds are stronger than builds with no PvE skills?
Like the 55 Mo/D or the E/A shivers ele?
Or for party builds searing flames packs, ranger packs with orders, the combo of bonder and SB monks, famine groups or mass trapper groups?
We have overpowered builds as it is, so why limit creativity by nerfing skills that could possibly result in overpowered builds?
As I said elsewhere too, the most powerful PvE skill would have been LB Gaze and that was never nerfed. Figure 140 damage AoE plus AoE interrupt with a 5 energy cost and 15 second recharge.
No one complained about this before, but now we have uber skills like Ear Bite the game is in dire trouble.
No one wants balanced play so why pretend we do and nerf stuff randomly?
Like the 55 Mo/D or the E/A shivers ele?
Or for party builds searing flames packs, ranger packs with orders, the combo of bonder and SB monks, famine groups or mass trapper groups?
We have overpowered builds as it is, so why limit creativity by nerfing skills that could possibly result in overpowered builds?
As I said elsewhere too, the most powerful PvE skill would have been LB Gaze and that was never nerfed. Figure 140 damage AoE plus AoE interrupt with a 5 energy cost and 15 second recharge.
No one complained about this before, but now we have uber skills like Ear Bite the game is in dire trouble.
No one wants balanced play so why pretend we do and nerf stuff randomly?
HawkofStorms
Because otherwise you create a game where a E/W can tank just as well as a W/E, etc. By not being linked to any attributes, professions become unimportant.
Koross
Guild Wars is about limits. What is everyone complaining about? You can only have 8 skills at one time, you only can bring 3 heroes at one time, you can only have 1 elite skill equipped at one time, etc, etc.
So whats one more limit?
So whats one more limit?