Monument to Honor/PVP titles in HOM - ridiculously high tier requirements?

Navaros

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/Me

When I try to display PVP titles in the Honor monument it won't let me.

Unless I am misunderstanding something about how it works, It seem to indicate that to display any PVP titles at all in the monument you must have the following ridiculously high tiers of those titles, else it displays nothing at all from your PVP achievements.

Champion - Tier 9
Commander - Tier 9
Hero - Tier 12
Gladiator - Tier 9
Gamer - Tier 9

Is this a bug? Am I misunderstanding something? Surely the HOM isn't designed only to display ridiculously high tiers of every PVP title, that very, very few players are ever going to reach?

On a separate note, it also seems disappointing that no statues go up in it if you have IVI, PKM, or KOABD, rather just a text blurb when you click on it that says what tier of KOABD you have. And I didn't see any way to add all your other individual PVE titles to it at all, either in the blurb or statue form. What's up with that?

King Kong

King Kong

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Join Date: Jan 2006

W/R

PVP > PVE Always has been with ANET

jackie

jackie

/retired

Join Date: Dec 2005

On the Beach

I can see few reasons for so high requirements. GW 2 isn't near so plenty of time to grind titles + if display would already work on lower levels, building HoM wouldn't be much of a challenge - just one way to keep players hooked.

Is this good then, that I don't know yet..

Avarre

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

Quote:
Originally Posted by jackie
I can see few reasons for so high requirements. GW 2 isn't near so plenty of time to grind titles + if display would already work on lower levels, building HoM wouldn't be much of a challenge - just one way to keep players hooked.

Is this good then, that I don't know yet..
I seriously doubt anyone with the capability to get rank 12 is going to do it for the Hall Of Monuments if they weren't going to do it before.

Should probably be made a little more accessible.

Muspellsheimr

Muspellsheimr

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Join Date: Feb 2007

How many people even have rank 12? Unless I am miss-remembering, it took a year of hardcore PvP before anyone managed to get that far.

And that is only one of the problems with it - as it stands now, from what I have seen, the Hall of Monuments is a major failure.

jackie

jackie

/retired

Join Date: Dec 2005

On the Beach

Quote:
Originally Posted by Avarre
I seriously doubt anyone with the capability to get rank 12 is going to do it for the Hall Of Monuments if they weren't going to do it before.

Should probably be made a little more accessible.
I agree, not many are happy with the limits. On the other hand though, one could see that HoM PvP display should be available only for the most experienced PvP players, as a reward for all the hours spent in HoH, GvG etc - the ultimate recognition.

Porkchop Sandwhiches

Porkchop Sandwhiches

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Join Date: Jun 2005

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I'm not sure why, but I had hoped that 1 title on your account would equal 1 pip towards a future title in GW2. Kinda like how 1 max title counts as 1 towards the kind of a big deal title, except that it would require a higher total to reach a title for GW2.

The current system they have is pretty lame.

Navaros

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by jackie
I agree, not many are happy with the limits. On the other hand though, one could see that HoM PvP display should be available only for the most experienced PvP players, as a reward for all the hours spent in HoH, GvG etc - the ultimate recognition.
There are only so many hundreds/thousands of hours one can put into PVP before the "experience" knowledge of knowing everything caps out, and it caps out way before Rank 12 of Hero.

There is very little difference in experience between R9 and R12. Both required hundreds to thousands of hours of devotion to PVP and after all that time both players would usually have equal understanding and mastery of the game and all it's nuances. The R12 player just took the PVP grind to even larger, more ludicrous extreme. That doesn't make him a better or more experienced player. That could possibly be said for lower ranks than Rank 9 also.

Not really any reason to exclude any players from displaying all their titles. All that says is: "Unless you are a super hardcore grinder to the extreme, your accomplishments in GW mean nothing".

pork soldier

pork soldier

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Navaros
There is very little difference in experience between R9 and R12.
lolwut?

just, wow.

The Mental Shadow

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

Rurik Dorps The [sOap]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Avarre
I seriously doubt anyone with the capability to get rank 12 is going to do it for the Hall Of Monuments if they weren't going to do it before.

Should probably be made a little more accessible.
Wrong I did it for HoM !


Ignore the skill bar, its very good to kill Magni the Bison tho

Avarre

Avarre

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Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

Quote:
Originally Posted by pork soldier
lolwut?

just, wow.
R9 to r12 isn't really player development in terms of skill. It's just farming.

WhiteLightHealing

WhiteLightHealing

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Join Date: Aug 2006

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ANET FIX IT PLZ. WE ARE PVE player not PVP PLAYER.

Agyar

Agyar

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Join Date: Jul 2006

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Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiteLightHealing
ANET FIX IT PLZ. WE ARE PVE player not PVP PLAYER.
Don't you mean "I am a PvE player not PVP, i do PVP but after i got to my lvl 3 mighty hero i stop, cause all i needed was the, popup animals thing."?

The Herbalizer

The Herbalizer

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Join Date: Jul 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Agyar
Don't you mean "I am a PvE player not PVP, i do PVP but after i got to my lvl 3 mighty hero i stop, cause all i needed was the, popup animals thing."?
Lol.

I was planning on going to R9 for HOM pre-seeing all the new info. Looks like I wont even bother if it be R12 as I dont have time to get R12.

Lagg

Lagg

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

W/

How about this:


Who the hell cares about the Hall of Monuments?

Are you really interested in some minimal tidbit of MOAR you might get in GW2 that will be completely irrelevant 2 weeks after release?

Or do you want to make money by charging guided tours to your Rank 12 monument?


Okay, we get it, you can play IWAY or [Insert FotM Here]-spike.

Get over yourself.

Cacheelma

Cacheelma

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Ascalon Union

Me/Mo

You may also notice that none of the PvE titles (Drunkard, cartographers, sweet tooth, etc etc.) make it to the monument.

[Fanboy mode: on]

This is so sweet Anet! I'm so glad about how it is. Who cares about those pve titles, right? We play this game for fun after all! And grinding for those titles is SO fun.

[Fanboy mode: off]

linh

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by pork soldier
lolwut?

just, wow.
Going R9 to R12 is similar to going from R7 Sunspear to max.

max gladius

max gladius

Yep, really is me...

Join Date: Aug 2005

My House

L33t

all i know.... is wow, nice "gold pit" the titles r if anet doesnt fix this.....

and another thing.... i think this "preview" may have been the worst business decision ever made by anet, with the "look of GWEN, and the "HoM" im sure not going to be waisting any money buying GW2.....

/signed or whatever, im still not awake, the 3am EST wake up to have all my expectations squished like a bug has me considering other MMORPG

Vazze

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

big failure. ok, I am gonna die with gw1, I am cool, but for god's sake give me a f. tomb will ya!!!

Performance Pudding

Performance Pudding

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Join Date: Aug 2007

post ascalon

Over The [Wall]

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yes the hom should represent more titles maybe not the protectors but atleast the things that start with legendary + max kruzick or luxon title + sweet tooth and drunkard then i would be happy, also get over more content will be released in a week so stop making bitch threads about how disapointed you are because it will get better otherwise just quit and leave me to enjoy the game.

ps i dont get to enjoy it till monday >.<

crimsonfilms

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by King Kong
PVP > PVE Always has been with ANET
Yes because every chapter and this expansion are FILLED WITH SO MUCH PvP goodness.
Wow. GW:EN has so much PvP content!
And the PvP unlock gives you so much for the same price as regular chapters. In fact, it gives so much that it does not even give you extra character slots.

Yea. PvP > PvE with ANet

:/

Sasuke The Betrayer

Sasuke The Betrayer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Los Angeles

Pink Pearl

Mo/Me

From what I'm reading... the only titles that get put into the HoM are complete titles? So things like Kurzick/Luxon Titles are gonna be very rare....

JONO51

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

P/

will the kurx/lux require you be r9 for it to be dispayed?

Sentience

Sentience

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Join Date: Mar 2005

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Quote:
Originally Posted by King Kong
PVP > PVE Always has been with ANET
Lol.

You wish.

Alias_X

Alias_X

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

People aren't supposed to fill their monuments right now. We have 2 years until GWEN... Anet wants you to keep playing- don't get hooked on Age of Conan, WoW, Fury, or some other game in the meantime.

maraxusofk

maraxusofk

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Join Date: Aug 2005

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LOL r12 for hero? r9 for glad? only 1 person ahs it. r9 for champ? the highest is chop chop i think wit glad 6-7. all i can say is that i think u should change so that any tier would be shown, jsut varying the name by tier adn that the rewrads confered in gw2 change based on wut rank u acutlaly are, or every 3 rank.

Nurse With Wound

Nurse With Wound

None More Negative

Join Date: May 2006

Steel Phoenix [StP]

Quote:
Originally Posted by maraxusofk
LOL r12 for hero? r9 for glad? only 1 person ahs it. r9 for champ? the highest is chop chop i think wit glad 6-7. all i can say is that i think u should change so that any tier would be shown, jsut varying the name by tier adn that the rewrads confered in gw2 change based on wut rank u acutlaly are, or every 3 rank.
Yeah, as it is now, the whole thing is for 'no-life' type of addicts. And no way normal player can get all PVP titles that high. How about lowering the requirements, if the above proposal couldn't be implemented? Hero r10, Glad rank 6 and champ rank 3 would be pretty ok....

Divinus Stella

Divinus Stella

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Wales

Steel Phoenix

I think its fine, r12 is high, but theres plenty of time before GW2.

Its nice to have things that arent for the average joe, if they lowered it just so all the lazy people can display their moose statue then it would be worthless.

Nurse With Wound

Nurse With Wound

None More Negative

Join Date: May 2006

Steel Phoenix [StP]

Yeah, when you look at the single title, like rank 12 hero, its fine. Not that high anyway. But take into consideration that the amount of time needed for all 3 titles to get to those numbers is simply crazy. But I guess maybe thats the plan. Virtually no one will have all 3 of them, many will have one, few two of them....

acidic

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

lawl anet is stupid.

IF this was somehow to keep players hooked until gw2 comes out, then I have lost all faith in them. THIS Game was advertised to be less grinding and more action, yet now its turning to more and more grinding (Sunspear, pve title tracks, Favor change) and now HOM requires these super high lvl titles.... LET me tell you, there are more games that are better than GW when it comes to pve content if you tolerate the grind and players will switch as simple as that. SO WHAT THE HELL IS ANET DOING

Cacheelma

Cacheelma

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Ascalon Union

Me/Mo

I agree completely. I'd be playing some other games if I can tolerate pointless grinding of any kind to begin with. At least in those games, I actually GET SOMETHING out of it each time I grind.

Well, time to move on from this crash-and-burn I think.

EternalTempest

EternalTempest

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Join Date: Jun 2005

United States

Dark Side Ofthe Moon [DSM]

E/

Anyone else think that the PVP unlocks in HoM will be applied to PVP aspect of GW2, and NOT pve?

Crom The Pale

Crom The Pale

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

Ageis Ascending

W/

I think the Hall has several bugs in it, I posted my FOW armor for my war and was granted a RIt statue and a Sin??

Also I used another tapestry to post my weapons, but was told my R8 max gold Zodiac with perfect mods was not good enough, Only the Greatest Weapons can be posted here, was the coment I recieved......


Major fixes are in the works or this bodes very poorly for us all.....

drekmonger

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

A/E

So I can display a nice big statue of Dunkoro, a guy that took me all of five minutes to unlock. Fun times, he looks spiffy standing next to the Black Moa bird statue. But I have to be rank 12 to display a PvP accomplishment? And that's the *easiest* title? WTF?

I'm reminded of stories of those hardcore korean guys who die while playing a MMO, because they forgot to eat or go to the bathroom or whatever. That's what a.net is saying they want by making the title requirements for a Honor trophy so high. I know there's isn't a single person at a.net would want such a thing, but in essence that's what they've ended up creating.

No sane person would undertake such a task just to get a little bauble in GW2.

Dear A.net: Display any PvP title at any level, including Gamer, on the Honor scoreboard. Just make the trophy a little bit bigger/fancier for higher ranks.

Duh.

Rhedd

Rhedd

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Join Date: May 2005

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Quote:
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Major fixes are in the works or this bodes very poorly for us all.....
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acidic

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cacheelma
I agree completely. I'd be playing some other games if I can tolerate pointless grinding of any kind to begin with. At least in those games, I actually GET SOMETHING out of it each time I grind.

Well, time to move on from this crash-and-burn I think.

Indeed at least in those games GRINDING Actually rewards you, but in GW is becoming more and more grinding and less and less rewarding.

OO I CAN GRIND LIKE 20 HRS a day and get some sexy title that no one care to look at! OOO I can grind hours upon hours for that fow armor and is no better than my old armor!

4ssassin

4ssassin

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2006

none

W/E

Part of the reason I bought Guild Wars was for its "Skill not time played" advertising (anyone remember that?)

I dont grind. I hate grind. I dont grind titles, I don't farm. I have 2 mixtures of 15k armor (one for my war, one for my monk), 15k armor on my Monk's Koss, and a few nice weps, with my nicest one being a req9 zodiac staff
My best title is probably my [unfavored] title. (It would be kurzick what with my nearly 1 million faction gained JUST FROM AB AND FA) but Anet messed up the way those titles are displayed (im a r2 with 308k, woot....)

So with my 2400hrs over 21 months played so far, im going to get what? 1 hero and maybe a few weps in my hall?

So much for "Skill not time" now its "grind grind grind grind grind grind ftw, loyal Anet fans"

jesusrunz

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2007

You blow

Mo/

dud3z chill it'z 0nlY thE pREvieW eveNT brahZ


stop acting like nerds

max gladius

max gladius

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Join Date: Aug 2005

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L33t

jesusrunz..... ur right, this is beta A right?

oh wait, that shoulda happened months ago.... this is "our prep" for the real.... this is when we "point out little problems" wait.... what little problems, oh i got one, u get stuck on an animal... HoM is a HUGE problem, and so are many other things that this.... "preview" has posed to the GW player community.

Pwny Ride

Pwny Ride

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Join Date: Oct 2006

Aussieland

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Quote:
Originally Posted by jesusrunz
dud3z chill it'z 0nlY thE pREvieW eveNT brahZ


stop acting like nerds
Well that's the pot calling the kettle black.