Any way to get animal forms yet?
Rhedd
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Originally Posted by Navaros
Note that I can already turn into a rollerbeetle, so Norns aren't all that awesome. ^_^
Go for over-the-top! Make the game fun!
Due to the precedent set by rollerbeetles and the Junundu, you have to admit it's pretty surprising to see these skills come from where they do, replace our skill bars the way they do, and then NOT change our physical forms.
Promises? Not really. Reasonable expectations? Yep.
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Originally Posted by John Bloodstone
Yes! Please A-Net make animal forms available to all classes so that instead of joining a group of human characters, I can join a group of random animals instead. Next, you can drop the name Guild Wars and rename it Zoo Wars to better reflect the style of the game. Also, what's all this crap about having to use a skill slot for the animal skills and being limited to certain areas only? I should be able to use my bear form whenever and where ever I want, even in towns, and especially in pvp. This is my game because I paid for it and I should be able to dictate it's design because it's my money. Thank you.
You, sir, are an idiot.
I wouldn't usually resort to calling someone an idiot, but since you went so far out of your way to act like one, I can only assume that's the response you were looking for.
pigdestroyer
gtfo furries
-Makai-
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Originally Posted by John Bloodstone
Yes! Please A-Net make animal forms available to all classes so that instead of joining a group of human characters, I can join a group of random animals instead. Next, you can drop the name Guild Wars and rename it Zoo Wars to better reflect the style of the game. Also, what's all this crap about having to use a skill slot for the animal skills and being limited to certain areas only? I should be able to use my bear form whenever and where ever I want, even in towns, and especially in pvp. This is my game because I paid for it and I should be able to dictate it's design because it's my money. Thank you.
My sarcasm detector is blinking red at this point...hehe.
I don't see the big deal about not physically transforming. We're humans, not Norns.
Wulfgast
Okay, I was extremely pissed by this at first, but I do suppose it may take away some of the "specialness" of the Norn race if you could easily shapeshift into the animal forms. If they don't implement this in GW:EN upon release, they at the very least need some sort of unique animation -- possibly the outline of a bear- or wolf-spirit form that surrounds you and mimics your movements while the blessing is in effect. I could dig that.
Exoudeous
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Originally Posted by Rhedd
Note that I can already turn into a rollerbeetle, so Norns aren't all that awesome. ^_^ Go for over-the-top! Make the game fun! Due to the precedent set by rollerbeetles and the Junundu, you have to admit it's pretty surprising to see these skills come from where they do, replace our skill bars the way they do, and then NOT change our physical forms. Promises? Not really. Reasonable expectations? Yep. You, sir, are an idiot. I wouldn't usually resort to calling someone an idiot, but since you went so far out of your way to act like one, I can only assume that's the response you were looking for. so how exactly would looking like an animal make the game more fun? its pretty hilarous you call people dumb yet dont get it through your head what these skills do, theya re not the same ones teh norn have, their skills specifly say FORMS, while our skills say ASPECT. The norns special racial trait is that they CAN transform. this game is a lead in to GW2 and it would make no sense at all to take away the Norns only exculsive race attribute.
Erik Fox
They've said over and over again that the Bear/Animal forms are a RACIAL trait of the Norn. We are not Norn. Be glad you can take on aspects of them now.
Rhedd
Okay, okay. Fine.
God forbid the NPCs be robbed of any of their coolness so that I, a mere player, can do something nifty. Yep, I said they're NPCs. Don't hand me anything about GW2. That game isn't for years, yet, and I'm playing this game, not that one. GW2 is irrelevant. All I'm saying is that no matter what level of the gaming industry I worked in, I'd keep the exact same goal. That goal would be to never give anyone the reason to say, "Meh, that's kinda lame."
Exoudeous
thats impossible you can't please everyone, EVER. You really have no clue about anything related to designing games.
And you are still acting that the mere act of looking like a bear would change the game, you would have the same skills, stop acting as if you are being robbed of gameplay. But what next? are you going to say its unfair that you can't use enemy skills? Are you going to complain that all the other skills in the game don't have extra side effects you want added? You were never promised or giving the hint of transforming into anything, and you refuse to read the skill description, what you use are not the same as what the norns use It doesn't matter how far away 2 is, fact is the humans in this game cannot transform into animals. Its not a matter of them being NPC, its a matter of all the races being playable in 2 and having their own traits. The whole point of this game is to link to the 2nd game so it isn't irrelevant, how would it make sense for humans to be able to transform and then in 2 say only Norns can do it?
Everblight
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Originally Posted by Rhedd
All I'm saying is that no matter what level of the gaming industry I worked in, I'd keep the exact same goal. That goal would be to never give anyone the reason to say, "Meh, that's kinda lame."
While I agree with the sentiment, if you so badly want to play a class/race that can turn into a bear or a raven, go play a druid in "That Other Game." The ability to become a werebear is racial. The ability to adopt aspects of animals is spiritual...so I can certainly see some type of aura or visual effect while it is being used. I can just as easily see not.
To answer the original question, the three aspects (Bear, Raven and Wolf) are all available from the Truthseeker questgiver AFTER the primary quests and the Truthseeker quest are completed. Each is an Elite Norn title track skill, and interestingly I was informed that you cannot equip more than 3 PvE-only skills at a time (by an on-screen error message). Something to consider now with all the Norn skills, Ebon Vanguard skills, Sunspear skills, etc.
Rhedd
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Originally Posted by Exoudeous
You really have no clue about anything related to designing games.
You have no idea how cute that is. Seriously. Yay for internet anonymity.
Anyway, nothing more for me to say on the matter. Don't know why I posted this many times, since I'm not so much arguing as bitching. It's cool that you're all happy with the non-visual transformation. It's also cool how none of you are ever going to complain about anything in the future. Because, of course, you'll remember that "you can't please everyone!" I'll just have to get used to the fact that in this game, people turning into animals would be just stupid. Now, where did I put those beetle juice tonics... ^_^ SirDigi
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Originally Posted by Exoudeous
It doesn't matter how far away 2 is, fact is the humans in this game cannot transform into animals.
However you can transform into trees.
Edit: Plant/tree/wood thing I suppose. wolfwing
Why bother having any changes to your chars look, they don't effect the game, lets all keep the same armour no matter where you get it. I think some people just look to get upset or make fun of other peoples suggestions or such.
Why would I want to have a visual change with the wolf/bear/raven aspects? Because it's feels odd having the abilities of a wolf and running around with a scythe. It just doesn't really fit what the skill does. But I guess people hate progress, or suggestions, why ever bother to post any ideas, or thigns you would like to see in the game becaues it's not needed. Sheesh I really hate the "IF you want this go play another game." attitude, all it does is make you sound like a arrogant tool. Games improve and get better through suggestions, maybe you should learn people have a right to suggest thigns they would like to see added.
Exoudeous
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Originally Posted by Rhedd
You have no idea how cute that is. Seriously. Yay for internet anonymity.
Anyway, nothing more for me to say on the matter. Don't know why I posted this many times, since I'm not so much arguing as bitching. It's cool that you're all happy with the non-visual transformation. It's also cool how none of you are ever going to complain about anything in the future. Because, of course, you'll remember that "you can't please everyone!" I'll just have to get used to the fact that in this game, people turning into animals would be just stupid. Now, where did I put those beetle juice tonics... ^_^ what anonymity, I am not hideing behind crap, and I am serious when I say you know nothing of game design. Im sorry that your brain is to small to understand that the skills we get arnt transformations, I think you need to go look up what aspect means. I also never said its not ok to complain, its just you are complaining about something you dont even understand. and THAT is cute, no wait not cute, Idiotic, yea that fits better. IlikeGW
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Originally Posted by Erik Fox
They've said over and over again that the Bear/Animal forms are a RACIAL trait of the Norn. We are not Norn. Be glad you can take on aspects of them now.
it's not racial they get it from a spirit. I think Anet is calling it racial in terms of it's the only race that will do that in GW2. however in GW1 we commune with the SAME spirit they do and get powers from it just like them.
and even if we don't shapeshift, the current spell effects seem to be utter crap/ not finished at all. wolfwing
Thats my same thought about it, it's something they do normally due to their connection with the animals, but not something they HAVE just because they are norn. Remember Jora loses her ability to become the bear after she loses favour.
DeBron
Anyone else think that you should get a full bar of skills when you use the Raven/Ursan/Volfen blessings? Those 3 empty slots seem like such a waste.
Rhedd
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Originally Posted by Exoudeous
Im sorry that your brain is to small to understand that the skills we get arnt transformations, I think you need to go look up what aspect means. I also never said its not ok to complain, its just you are complaining about something you dont even understand. and THAT is cute, no wait not cute, Idiotic, yea that fits better. |
And, that would've been the end of my post, but then you had to go and get all nasty and insulting, and I've been working hard all day to make games for people like you, (Yes, I know it's the weekend.) and it's late, and I'm in a bad mood. So, with no excuses for bragging, and without further ado, here are some of the games I've worked on:
Unreal Championship
Unreal Tournament 2003
Pariah
Unreal Tournament 2004
The Movies
Auto Assault
Star Trek: Legacy
Oblivion
Empire Earth III
Guitar Hero Encore: Rocks the 80s
Mythos
To End All Wars
Fracture
Hellgate: London
So, what about you, Exoudeous? What games have you worked on that I've enjoyed playing?
See, I understand your position just fine. I just don't agree with it.
(Man, making that list made me realize how horribly out of date my website is. Bleah.)
Derek
What if the Norns actually use these blessings spells to change themselves!? I mean A.net might have given us these blessings to give some feeling of the Norns in GW 2. What they will be like.
Also with racial I think a.net means more like the Norns are the only ones capable of transformation, NOT that they get it at birth or something.
Also with racial I think a.net means more like the Norns are the only ones capable of transformation, NOT that they get it at birth or something.
wolfwing
Well I can see them keeping the transformation to them in 2, but since we can't chose Norn it be nice if we could check it out ourselves.
Exoudeous
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Originally Posted by Rhedd
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lol if that isnt a list of "meh" games I dont know what is.
And unless you had complete creative control over any of them ( and even then id have to lol cause none of those are close to being original) my statement still stands.
I don't care what you don't agree with becasue you refuse to understand anything at all, and now you try to show an e-peen by claiming you work on this stuff. You claim that the game doesnt push enough stuff and yet nothing on that lsit of yours pushes anything at all.
show me the part where this has anything to do with transforming into an animal? fail
And unless you had complete creative control over any of them ( and even then id have to lol cause none of those are close to being original) my statement still stands.
I don't care what you don't agree with becasue you refuse to understand anything at all, and now you try to show an e-peen by claiming you work on this stuff. You claim that the game doesnt push enough stuff and yet nothing on that lsit of yours pushes anything at all.
show me the part where this has anything to do with transforming into an animal? fail
SirDigi
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Originally Posted by Exoudeous
show me the part where this has anything to do with transforming into an animal? fail
Who fails?
A-Net might not want to start a precedent of Humans being able to transform.
Exoudeous
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Originally Posted by SirDigi
Who fails?
A-Net might not want to start a precedent of Humans being able to transform. you fail. try reading the posts it helps. I want to know why, this guys supposed "game design knowledge" has anything to do with him not being able to read how a skill in the game works. You people really make me sad about humanity's future SirDigi
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Originally Posted by Exoudeous
you fail. try reading the posts it helps.
I want to know why, this gusy supposed "game design knowledge" has anything to do with him not being able to read how a skill in the game works. Dictionary.com begs to differ. as·pect /ˈæspɛkt/ P Pronunciation[as-pekt] –noun 1. appearance to the eye or mind; look: the physical aspect of the country. 2. nature; quality; character: the superficial aspect of the situation. 3. a way in which a thing may be viewed or regarded; interpretation; view: both aspects of a decision. 4. part; feature; phase: That is the aspect of the problem that interests me most. 5. facial expression; countenance: He wore an aspect of gloom. Hers was an aspect of happy optimism. There are even a few more defintions. Aspect could mean different things. Even the norns in bear forms are have aspects of a bear, while still being human-like and being able to walk upright. He did not ready the skill incorrectly. He just misinterpreted it.
Exoudeous
no he refuses to understand. doesnt look like its enough that the norn use a skill called bear from and you only get a ursan blessing.
and in skill description the context of aspect is to get qualities of, not to look like SirDigi
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Originally Posted by Exoudeous
no he refuses to understand. doesnt look like its enough that the norn use a skill called bear from and you only get a ursan blessing.
and in skill description the context of aspect is to get qualities of, not to look like The description left a lot of ambiguity as to if aspect was physical or mental. Lemme change my argument a bit here. I think what people were trying to say is that why did A-Net not make it a form.
Ezekiel Prophet
Why would you be able to turn into a bear, wolf or raven? You aren't Norn. The Norn are shape changers. You are a human. You are not a shape changer.
I got all of the blessing skills. Get Truthseeker from Gannar, then you get the quests for the blessings from Hagnir Truthseeker or whatever. wolfwing
The Norn shapeshift due to their connection with the spirits, you can get that from just playing through GWEN. ANyone can get close to the spirits by respecting them least how I see it.
street peddler
who cares if it changes you or not. just play the game and shut the hell up.
wolfwing
How about growing up a little please. Ever heard of the word, suggestion, or would like to see done. Were jsut saying what we would like to see, and all your doing is just making a fool out of yourself. Why is it that people like you guys think it's some how wrong to make suggestions or want to see something done. Are you the ONLY ones that know how things should be?
John Bloodstone
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My sarcasm detector is blinking red at this point...hehe.
I don't see the big deal about not physically transforming. We're humans, not Norns. Well at least someone got the joke I was actually making fun of the (many) people on this forum who believe they have the right to dictate what Anet should and shouldn't do. Because they're paying customer's don't you know - Anet should bend to their every whim
Bowman Artemis
The Norn can use a skill called Bear Form to become a bear.
We can use a skill called Ursan Blessing to gain bear abilities.
These are two different skills, one is a form, the other is a blessing.
The Animal Spirits are "gods" to the Norn and the Norn are the Animal Spirits' chosen people.
We get to know Bear, Wolf and Raven, however we will not be as closely bound to them as the Norn will be.
There we go. A nice list to make everything simple. I'll highlight again the difference between Bear Form and Ursan Blessing.
Wulfgast
Has anyone noticed if they've changed how the blessings work, visually? I don't have access to the game right now.
I don't mind if we can't actually take on the form of a raven, bear, or wolf, but I still think some sort of unique animation would be appropriate. Perhaps the ghostly outline of a raven/bear/wolf around your character, like I mentioned before.
OlMurraniKasale
The Blessing appears to be the same animations for the Blessing's internal set of skills, but it isn't the Form. I was hoping for a Form too perhaps, just like I was hoping the Paragon would have an ACTUAL set of wings . . . oh well, Aion will solve that need for wingage soon enough.
LobsterMobster
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Originally Posted by wolfwing
Heh well thats kinda stupid, would be better to actually take the form rather then just get a bunch of new skills. Rather have it like avatars.
You know if they did this you'd have a bunch of people hanging out in outposts doing LFG 4 furry secks!
ShadowsRequiem
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Originally Posted by LobsterMobster
You know if they did this you'd have a bunch of people hanging out in outposts doing LFG 4 furry secks!
no, I think you're the only person who came to that conclusion....... creeper duverga
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You know if they did this you'd have a bunch of people hanging out in outposts doing LFG 4 furry secks!
Nah, they're all over in Second Life.
jett862
Who cares if one is a blessing, and the other a "form" -- It would still be cool to be able to shapeshift into an animal, and I really don't see any legitimate reasons to be against it.
x64600
It would be nice if they at least gave the bear forms to to the Dervish. Maybe if they had Elite skills in GWEN they would have.
Tanque
Bear Form is the most stupid thing i have seen if your not a warrior.Yay i am a bear but im using a bow.Just stupid(and funny at the same time)i can't wait for gw2 so i can see a norn wanding all in bear form to death!
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