turn this game into just another MMORPG grinder ALA DAoC/WoW.
as the title grinding weren't bad enough, in next expansion u NEED titles to even have some of the merchants let you look at what they are selling.
and not only that, the PvE arena is so horribly anti melee classes its not even funny in a sad way. its miles and miles easier to go through those tournaments as a caster then it is as a melee class.
so thanks A-net for turning this game into something u said never would happen..... just another dime a dozen MMORPG...
and for those that (i'm sure) will come and defend grinding.
i bet you love to watch pain dry to.
this game is turning more and more into a different lvl 1 - 100+ grind.
they could just as well start raising the level cap and its exactly the same as any other MMORPG.
So they really did....
Thorm Devile
JeniM
a) I've beaten Norn arena loads of times as warrior
b) I have R3 Norn after one day, the missions are repeatable for 500 Norn points and Rank 4 Hunter gets points in quick
c) I like having something to work to not just getting it all given to me
d) I don't like watching paint dry
e) Maybe you just don't like the game if your not willing to play to get points, there are lots of ways of gettng points please don't tell me you can't find how to get bountys, always have a bounty on and points come in while playing, it's too soon to just go point farming
b) I have R3 Norn after one day, the missions are repeatable for 500 Norn points and Rank 4 Hunter gets points in quick
c) I like having something to work to not just getting it all given to me
d) I don't like watching paint dry
e) Maybe you just don't like the game if your not willing to play to get points, there are lots of ways of gettng points please don't tell me you can't find how to get bountys, always have a bounty on and points come in while playing, it's too soon to just go point farming
ayame ftw
its one thing to farm points to unlock skills
its something different, to grind point to access the shopkeepers
its something different, to grind point to access the shopkeepers
Arkantos
Nobody is forcing you to use those NPCs. I'd understand why you're frustrated if you were forced to, but you aren't.
Also, I really don't see how you think the tournament is totally anti melee. My warrior wrecked the tournament multiple times, no problem.
Also, I really don't see how you think the tournament is totally anti melee. My warrior wrecked the tournament multiple times, no problem.
Thorm Devile
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Originally Posted by JeniM
a) I've beaten Norn arena loads of times as warrior
b) I have R3 Norn after one day, the missions are repeatable for 500 Norn points and Rank 4 Hunter gets points in quick
c) I like having something to work to not just getting it all given to me
d) I don't like watching paint dry
e) Maybe you just don't like the game if your not willing to play to get points, there are lots of ways of gettng points please don't tell me you can't find how to get bountys, always have a bounty on and points come in while playing, it's too soon to just go point farming and most of your points means grinding. and thats about as challenging as watching paint dry.
all this is just WoW rep grinding by a diffrent name. spending hours on end killing mobs.
and i never said it was impossible for melee classes to beat the arena. its just alot easier as a caster.
and i don't want things given to me either. but grinding? thats probably the most mind numbing thing in existence for MMORPG's. and one that really shows how much the devs thought this expansion through. or rather, how much they didn't....
b) I have R3 Norn after one day, the missions are repeatable for 500 Norn points and Rank 4 Hunter gets points in quick
c) I like having something to work to not just getting it all given to me
d) I don't like watching paint dry
e) Maybe you just don't like the game if your not willing to play to get points, there are lots of ways of gettng points please don't tell me you can't find how to get bountys, always have a bounty on and points come in while playing, it's too soon to just go point farming and most of your points means grinding. and thats about as challenging as watching paint dry.
all this is just WoW rep grinding by a diffrent name. spending hours on end killing mobs.
and i never said it was impossible for melee classes to beat the arena. its just alot easier as a caster.
and i don't want things given to me either. but grinding? thats probably the most mind numbing thing in existence for MMORPG's. and one that really shows how much the devs thought this expansion through. or rather, how much they didn't....
arcanemacabre
[skill]"You're All Alone!"[/skill]
And I'm not just being facetious. That's a great skill for a warrior to use in that tournament.
And I'm not just being facetious. That's a great skill for a warrior to use in that tournament.
Thorm Devile
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Originally Posted by Arkantos
Nobody is forcing you to use those NPCs. I'd understand why you're frustrated if you were forced to, but you aren't.
Also, I really don't see how you think the tournament is totally anti melee. My warrior wrecked the tournament multiple times, no problem. no i'm not forced to. but like most others i want the armors from those NPC's. and apparently grinding the cash isn't enough anymore for A-net. heck, they could add it as the final reward for beating that expansion instead but i guess the norn and the vanguard dont care much about having their race saved
need titles! >.<
and about the arena, guess i'm just a horribly crap warrior then.. but neither my guild nor my alliance could make/suggest a working build but had tons and tons of caster builds so SOMETHING about it is wrong.
Also, I really don't see how you think the tournament is totally anti melee. My warrior wrecked the tournament multiple times, no problem. no i'm not forced to. but like most others i want the armors from those NPC's. and apparently grinding the cash isn't enough anymore for A-net. heck, they could add it as the final reward for beating that expansion instead but i guess the norn and the vanguard dont care much about having their race saved
need titles! >.<
and about the arena, guess i'm just a horribly crap warrior then.. but neither my guild nor my alliance could make/suggest a working build but had tons and tons of caster builds so SOMETHING about it is wrong.
combatchuck
Anti-melee? Strange, because my warrior is quickly becoming a favorite character after I've seen the damage he can do.
Arkantos
If you want it, grind the title then. If you don't want to grind, stop complaining, it's your choice.
The only thing wrong is your alliance obviously isn't experienced enough to make a build for a warrior.
The only thing wrong is your alliance obviously isn't experienced enough to make a build for a warrior.
JeniM
Use one of those builds as your 2nd then, only need one skill to beat most of the challengers in arena and thats Ursan Blessing (sadly tied to the Norn title if you don't want to get points for it)
John Bloodstone
I really can't believe people are whinging about having to grind for titles already... it's a complete non issue.
Firstly, getting to rank 1 is mind-numbingly easy. That is all you need to get the base benefit of the title. After that, each successive rank gives you a tiny increase on the last one. For example the norn title gives +53hp, then +60, then +65hp (IIRC). This means if you want to achieve rank 1 and then not kill one single enemy more the entire game (because that's grind) then you don't have to.
Secondly, achieving a middle rank is easily achievable just by playing the game as normal. In one single day I managed to get to rank 3 1/2 on the norn title track just by playing the game and clearing one zone with a guildie. That's not even remotely grind.
I think that A-Net have achieved a well balanced level of 'grind' in the game that gives enough of a sense of achievement without forcing it on people who don't want to do it.
Firstly, getting to rank 1 is mind-numbingly easy. That is all you need to get the base benefit of the title. After that, each successive rank gives you a tiny increase on the last one. For example the norn title gives +53hp, then +60, then +65hp (IIRC). This means if you want to achieve rank 1 and then not kill one single enemy more the entire game (because that's grind) then you don't have to.
Secondly, achieving a middle rank is easily achievable just by playing the game as normal. In one single day I managed to get to rank 3 1/2 on the norn title track just by playing the game and clearing one zone with a guildie. That's not even remotely grind.
I think that A-Net have achieved a well balanced level of 'grind' in the game that gives enough of a sense of achievement without forcing it on people who don't want to do it.
Arkantos
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moriz
not to mention, the norn rank points does not only increase on killing monsters, but if you talk to each npc on each rez shrine, they give you more. killing a few dozen monsters will give you exponentially more points.
Vilaptca
The more you kill, the faster you earn it, you receive multipliers and bonuses such as the Hunt Rampage thingy skill...
Seriously, there is no grind here. You grab the bounty while working on quests and you'll have the title in no time.
Seriously, there is no grind here. You grab the bounty while working on quests and you'll have the title in no time.
JeniM
Reputation come in very fast and can i ask a question to OP
I assume you were buying a game as something to do, yet you don't want to do anything in it . . .
Sorry but to me atleast that makes no sence
I assume you were buying a game as something to do, yet you don't want to do anything in it . . .
Sorry but to me atleast that makes no sence
TechnoSword
yeah like im a warrior and one thing i do when a new thing comes out is explore around first thing i got was the bounty, by the time i explored the entire map i killed around 150 monsters, with bonus added on there were even more points! not only that but i bumped into collectors and monster locations quest givers and dungeon areas. No effort needed I do what I enjoy doing and it pays itself off.
And as for the tournament, I just used grenths balance and some good damage dealing skills and Im set! Well maybe a few defensive skill =P
And as for the tournament, I just used grenths balance and some good damage dealing skills and Im set! Well maybe a few defensive skill =P
DeBron
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Originally Posted by Arkantos
But they aren't whining about having to grind, they're whining about optional grind, which is worse.
It's not a totally optional grind.
If you purchase EoTN it's for the PvE skills. The normal ones are not worth the $40 tag, even for most hardcore PvPers. That being said, most players are forced to grind for the skills they want to use.
I'm going to suggest that EoTN be renamed "Build Wars: Grind of the North - Which is Primarily Populated by Boring Reskinned Enemies".
If you purchase EoTN it's for the PvE skills. The normal ones are not worth the $40 tag, even for most hardcore PvPers. That being said, most players are forced to grind for the skills they want to use.
I'm going to suggest that EoTN be renamed "Build Wars: Grind of the North - Which is Primarily Populated by Boring Reskinned Enemies".
Angelica
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Originally Posted by DeBron
It's not a totally optional grind.
If you purchase EoTN it's for the PvE skills. The normal ones are not worth the $40 tag, even for most hardcore PvPers. That being said, most players are forced to grind for the skills they want to use.
I'm going to suggest that EoTN be renamed "Build Wars: Grind of the North - Which is Primarily Populated by Boring Reskinned Enemies".
^^ I completely agree!
If you purchase EoTN it's for the PvE skills. The normal ones are not worth the $40 tag, even for most hardcore PvPers. That being said, most players are forced to grind for the skills they want to use.
I'm going to suggest that EoTN be renamed "Build Wars: Grind of the North - Which is Primarily Populated by Boring Reskinned Enemies".
Omniclasm
A) The rank 1 of the titles are easy to get, you get them from just playing the game, or is that grind?
B) The numbers could be escalated because it is a preview, and they don't want people buying armor.
C) Dungeons own.
D) Don't let the door hit you.
B) The numbers could be escalated because it is a preview, and they don't want people buying armor.
C) Dungeons own.
D) Don't let the door hit you.
Antheus
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How far are you in Lucky title? It's optional, right? After all, it only affects salvage and keys...
The titles will have insanely high requirements, so that hard-core can grind the same exploitable areas into oblivion (see Sulfurous desert for reference).
GW:EN contains many traits that on which GW2 will be built upon. One tiny detail are those "Slay the Big Bad Boss" messages. This is preparation for the event system in GW2. The skill progression and custom skills is also something for GW2, where you'll have fixed 8 skills, but those will get progressively stronger as you level.
Same thing with dungeons vs. explorable areas.
GW:EN is GW2 Lite. Not saying this ruins GW2 in any way, but that's what it'll be about.
And yes, just another MMORPG clone #58. Korean grind-fest style.
Omniclasm
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Originally Posted by Antheus
Heh....
How far are you in Lucky title? It's optional, right? After all, it only affects salvage and keys...
The titles will have insanely high requirements, so that hard-core can grind the same exploitable areas into oblivion (see Sulfurous desert for reference).
GW:EN contains many traits that on which GW2 will be built upon. One tiny detail are those "Slay the Big Bad Boss" messages. This is preparation for the event system in GW2. The skill progression and custom skills is also something for GW2, where you'll have fixed 8 skills, but those will get progressively stronger as you level.
Same thing with dungeons vs. explorable areas.
GW:EN is GW2 Lite. Not saying this ruins GW2 in any way, but that's what it'll be about.
And yes, just another MMORPG clone #58. Korean grind-fest style. The titles will probably remain the same, but you might only need rank 2 norn to buy armor, not rank 7.
How far are you in Lucky title? It's optional, right? After all, it only affects salvage and keys...
The titles will have insanely high requirements, so that hard-core can grind the same exploitable areas into oblivion (see Sulfurous desert for reference).
GW:EN contains many traits that on which GW2 will be built upon. One tiny detail are those "Slay the Big Bad Boss" messages. This is preparation for the event system in GW2. The skill progression and custom skills is also something for GW2, where you'll have fixed 8 skills, but those will get progressively stronger as you level.
Same thing with dungeons vs. explorable areas.
GW:EN is GW2 Lite. Not saying this ruins GW2 in any way, but that's what it'll be about.
And yes, just another MMORPG clone #58. Korean grind-fest style. The titles will probably remain the same, but you might only need rank 2 norn to buy armor, not rank 7.
Powerless
Cut the man some slack, cus he's making a good point. I too hate the grinding, sure it's easy to reach rank one, and that's because well it rank freakin one. Which isn't that usefull at all. I want access to the armor npc, and I would rather go through a series of quests and/or missions to unluck them then mindless grinding. The whole it's optional is just a lame excuse, cos we all now when u've reached the lvl cap the game isn't only about fun anymore but also about gaining cash for those nice weapons and armors, and guess what this expansion is aimed at those ppl. I'm rank 3 atm, but seriously unlike some of you there's only so long i can keep killing the same mobs over and over before i get bored.
Angelica
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Originally Posted by Omniclasm
A) snip....
D) Don't let the door hit you. It wont I have automatic doors!
D) Don't let the door hit you. It wont I have automatic doors!
JeniM
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Originally Posted by DeBron
It's not a totally optional grind.
If you purchase EoTN it's for the PvE skills. The normal ones are not worth the $40 tag, even for most hardcore PvPers. That being said, most players are forced to grind for the skills they want to use.
I'm going to suggest that EoTN be renamed "Build Wars: Grind of the North - Which is Primarily Populated by Boring Reskinned Enemies".
You have played less than 48 hours and had access to a small portion
I sometimes think people start playing the game looking for anything to complain about, if thats the case you don't enjoy it so bye bye otherwise give GW:EN a chance as you haven't played it yet only the preview
If you purchase EoTN it's for the PvE skills. The normal ones are not worth the $40 tag, even for most hardcore PvPers. That being said, most players are forced to grind for the skills they want to use.
I'm going to suggest that EoTN be renamed "Build Wars: Grind of the North - Which is Primarily Populated by Boring Reskinned Enemies".
I sometimes think people start playing the game looking for anything to complain about, if thats the case you don't enjoy it so bye bye otherwise give GW:EN a chance as you haven't played it yet only the preview
Roo Ella
I got to Slayer of giants just by exploring and talking to shrine guys and
collectors and quests
you also seam to talk to them a few times after you hit 25 50 75 100 ect ect ect
and they give you a bonus and getting rampage hunters and boss bonus
gets you extra points without even trying if your just playing the game.
So IMO play the game and the points will rack up fast.
collectors and quests
you also seam to talk to them a few times after you hit 25 50 75 100 ect ect ect
and they give you a bonus and getting rampage hunters and boss bonus
gets you extra points without even trying if your just playing the game.
So IMO play the game and the points will rack up fast.
DarkWasp
Woah, Norn rank is SO MUCH better than like ectos or rubies and saphs!
Anyone ever think about this? ANYONE! THIS IS IS AMAZING!
Now I can EARN armor and not be behind the ebayers.
I mean think about it.
Expensive crafting items - GRIND
Norn Title - GRIND (but the story line rewards a good few points)
Now from an eBay standpoint
Money for crafting items - EBAYABLE (this is bad)
Points toward title - NOT EBAYABLE (this is good)
This is seriously the most ingenious way to discourage free-riding gold buyers.
I vote this STAYS! Good thinking devs!
Anyone ever think about this? ANYONE! THIS IS IS AMAZING!
Now I can EARN armor and not be behind the ebayers.
I mean think about it.
Expensive crafting items - GRIND
Norn Title - GRIND (but the story line rewards a good few points)
Now from an eBay standpoint
Money for crafting items - EBAYABLE (this is bad)
Points toward title - NOT EBAYABLE (this is good)
This is seriously the most ingenious way to discourage free-riding gold buyers.
I vote this STAYS! Good thinking devs!
JeniM
DarkWasp has a very good point there, Reputations are not ebay titles
About time we got some "I am not an eBayer" armour (also known as 15k armour)
About time we got some "I am not an eBayer" armour (also known as 15k armour)
Powerless
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Originally Posted by DarkWasp
Woah, Norn rank is SO MUCH better than like ectos or rubies and saphs!
Anyone ever think about this? ANYONE! THIS IS IS AMAZING!
Now I can EARN armor and not be behind the ebayers.
I mean think about it.
Expensive crafting items - GRIND
Norn Title - GRIND (but the story line rewards a good few points)
Now from an eBay standpoint
Money for crafting items - EBAYABLE (this is bad)
Points toward title - NOT EBAYABLE (this is good)
This is seriously the most ingenious way to discourage free-riding gold buyers.
I vote this STAYS! Good thinking devs! lol if their stupid enough to buy gold ten they'll prolly just pay someone to powerlvl the their rank too.
Anyone ever think about this? ANYONE! THIS IS IS AMAZING!
Now I can EARN armor and not be behind the ebayers.
I mean think about it.
Expensive crafting items - GRIND
Norn Title - GRIND (but the story line rewards a good few points)
Now from an eBay standpoint
Money for crafting items - EBAYABLE (this is bad)
Points toward title - NOT EBAYABLE (this is good)
This is seriously the most ingenious way to discourage free-riding gold buyers.
I vote this STAYS! Good thinking devs! lol if their stupid enough to buy gold ten they'll prolly just pay someone to powerlvl the their rank too.
Bryant Again
Do you still need money and materials for the armor?
Riou McDohl
To the person complaining about "the new grind" of getting titles to use merchants and the like;
Didn't we already have that while gaining faction for Kurzick/Luxon?
Didn't we already have that while gaining faction for Kurzick/Luxon?
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by Riou McDohl
To the person complaining about "the new grind" of getting titles to use merchants and the like;
Didn't we already have that while gaining faction for Kurzick/Luxon? I wouldn't say so, since we could buy Amber and Jade and the faction wasn't really tied to any titles.
Didn't we already have that while gaining faction for Kurzick/Luxon? I wouldn't say so, since we could buy Amber and Jade and the faction wasn't really tied to any titles.
Horible
just wait for the game to come out, and there will be plenty of quests to increase your rep.
DarkWasp
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
Do you still need money and materials for the armor?
I really hope they use reasonable materials for these armors.
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by DarkWasp
I really hope they use reasonable materials for these armors.
If so then you can still eBay the mats and gold, so ANet made it halfway, I guess.
DarkWasp
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
If so then you can still eBay the mats and gold, so ANet made it halfway, I guess.
I'm hoping its like linens and stuff, like Bone Palace armor. That way once you DO get over that rank mark, the money you made getting there and the materials you salvaged should be atleast almost enough to make the purchase.
You can't kill ebay, but you can soften it's effects.
You can't kill ebay, but you can soften it's effects.
Bryant Again
Norn armor is gonna be 50k total with easy materials.
Sooo.../shrug
Sooo.../shrug
Vnewbie
I'm hoping for cheap (1k) and expensive (15k) norn armors, sorta like how in proph there was (until the whole insignia thing kicked in) cheap gladiators and expensive gladiators.
Alex the Great
dungeons= lite versions of urgoz, uw, FoW, and the deep
i hate those places cause they take forever and i never get the best rewards (if i can finish without interuptions)
DUNGEONS ARE PWNAGE
i hate those places cause they take forever and i never get the best rewards (if i can finish without interuptions)
DUNGEONS ARE PWNAGE
nightemaster
The armor pieces are 10k each. The new norn armor doesn't use any of the more expensive rare crafting materials. (such as gemstones/ecto/shards)
Whirlwind
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Oh oh, wait wait, i have an idea!!!!
EXPLORE AND HAVE FUN AND STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT STUPID LITTLE CRAP THAT NO ONE IS MAKING YOU DO.
GET OFF THE BOARD AND PLAY LOL.