I give him exactly the same build that I've been quite contentedly running Zhed Shadowhoof with for ages... and he can't manage his energy anything like as well. He tends to die more frequently than either Sousuke or Zhed...
Even when I gave him the "Special Needs" build consisting of Fire Attunement, Glyph of Lesser Energy and a selection of 15 energy spells (best energy-return from Attunement and GoLE) he STILL manages to expire his energy in a heartbeat.
Is this just coincidence or have the Eye of the North heroes genuinely got different AI to the Nightfall heroes?
Vekk's AI sucks.
SotiCoto
aaje vhanli
My Vekk is always running within melee range of enemies to attack them (with his staff).. though, Zhed always did this also for some reason -_-;;
Stolen Souls
AI does seem a little different, but who knows, maybe I'm just imagining it. For me it's more the henchies than heros though. (Devona and Talon seem to enjoy leeroying even more than usual >.> )
distilledwill
Ive had problems with all of my heroes/hench in the far shiverpeaks. They seem to all stop moving for a while, whilst i charge in and begin firing off some spears at a lvl 28 target. I have to flag them up to me or else they wont move.
Thankfully this doesnt happen all the time, maybe they're getting stuck on things.
Anyway, i find Vekks AI to be fine apart from this. Much better than my Zheds, who would often just stand and try to tank. Very strange.. four legs.
Thankfully this doesnt happen all the time, maybe they're getting stuck on things.
Anyway, i find Vekks AI to be fine apart from this. Much better than my Zheds, who would often just stand and try to tank. Very strange.. four legs.
Metal Herc
distilledwill - Finally, someone else with this problem. they are following me, then the all just stop, in the middle of nowhere, I don't notice cause I haven't flagged them and I end up dead. Then I have to flag and unflag them to come to me.
Stolen Souls
Yes, now that you reminded me, I've seen that happen too...where the Heros/Hench just stop.
There was also a time where my party wiped...all but Mhenlo and Herta....Mhenlo refused to res any of us...that noob. -_-
There was also a time where my party wiped...all but Mhenlo and Herta....Mhenlo refused to res any of us...that noob. -_-
sabuu01
Vekk Works Great for me. I run me a warrior dev hammer, Vek a sh, souseke a Mind Blast supporter, zhed a shatterstone, cynn, lina and menhlo, and Usually devona, or a warrior friend running dev too. We have pretty much owned everything we have came against including dungeouns. Vekk has never given me problems. and the dwarf heals better then dunkoro. I do however have a problem with jora running into everything she can, and then just standing there lol
ArianeB
I really have not notice a diference with Vekk and Zhed, except their apparent size. There maybe a change in the way heroes follow in general that seems that way.
I have him run a searing flames and Mark of Rodgorts build while I run a Barrage Ranger with fiery bow. Add Olaf with a Boon healer build and Gwen with Energy Surge and lots of interrupts (the Hero AI for skill interrupts is awesome) and we kick major !@#$.
I have him run a searing flames and Mark of Rodgorts build while I run a Barrage Ranger with fiery bow. Add Olaf with a Boon healer build and Gwen with Energy Surge and lots of interrupts (the Hero AI for skill interrupts is awesome) and we kick major !@#$.
Rikimaru
It might be all of the heroes. I gave Jora Poison Tip Signet, and she literally never uses it.
Master Ketsu
I actually switched Vekk to a bsurge air ele, and he ran it pretty well. Lol...
vergerefosh
Other than Vekk not being able to dance 
, I've had one or two problems. One is that he used to run into combat range, but since I took Flame Djinn's Haste of he doesn't seem to do it. Also the fact the seems to die a lot, but I get that with ogden as well.
Also he seems to forget to re cast fire attunement sometimes, but have noticed that with other ele heroes
Also he seems to forget to re cast fire attunement sometimes, but have noticed that with other ele heroes
MithranArkanere
I gave him a Glimmering Mark buld and he uses it perfectly.
What I foumnd is that heroes NEVER use eye of the north skills. EVER.
What I foumnd is that heroes NEVER use eye of the north skills. EVER.
Kain666
yes i had big problems with hench...they stop and aggro everyone ...i hope they will fix this problem...about interrupters...hehe my Broad Head Arrow Jin locked on a boss or a badass foe shuts him down completely XD
Aerv
I've been running SF on myself, Zekk, Sousuke and Zhed (and enjoying the burnnating mightily, if I might add) and still have more trouble with Sousuke standing in the middle of attacks then Zekk.
Occasionally Zekk will stand around and let guys swing at him, but not too often. Zhed is the smartest by far, as I've seen him actually kite around a battle.
Occasionally Zekk will stand around and let guys swing at him, but not too often. Zhed is the smartest by far, as I've seen him actually kite around a battle.
Arkantos
My Vekk is running his fire build fine. He manages his energy very well, I've never seen it drop below 55e (his total is 78)
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I gave him a Glimmering Mark buld and he uses it perfectly.
What I foumnd is that heroes NEVER use eye of the north skills. EVER. My Koss uses keen chop everytime it's charged.
What I foumnd is that heroes NEVER use eye of the north skills. EVER. My Koss uses keen chop everytime it's charged.
Iinvisi
The new derv hero(can't recall name) didn't bother to put up VoS before charging into a mob of ele's, I don't wanna be constantly maintaining them, they should have a somewhat decent AI.
Btw, I always found Zhed retarded and had to lock Meteor Shower so he didnt use it on 1 guy, but I can actually trust Vekk w/o locking it, he always seems to wait for a mob of 4-5+ guys.
Btw, I always found Zhed retarded and had to lock Meteor Shower so he didnt use it on 1 guy, but I can actually trust Vekk w/o locking it, he always seems to wait for a mob of 4-5+ guys.
SotiCoto
Guess it is just luck of the draw then... 3 times isn't enough to draw a solid conclusion.
Marth Reynolds
he refuses to use invoke lightning, even when he's enchanted.
not to mention i've seen him try to blind spirits while he was getting bashed by melee enemies.
his voice rocks, but he's out of my teams and ain't coming back
not to mention i've seen him try to blind spirits while he was getting bashed by melee enemies.
his voice rocks, but he's out of my teams and ain't coming back
Ctb
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Basically, everytime I bring Vekk, he just soaks up all the healers attention, runs around so I can't get to the melee mobs, and dies.
Vekk is an idiot and I wish you could push your heroes off a cliff :\
Kuldebar Valiturus
I think there's some tweaking still to be done. Jora was doing some funny things as well. I have a feeling that there may be some pathing issues that are causing the weirdness.
zzt711
I think it's all the heroes/hench. Either the casters run up to melee range or they just go brainfart.
At the lake, I charged into one fight with my warrior... my party just stood there just within my aggro bubble, I was stunned seeing such a bad AI brainfart and died. Had to flag them to my corpse so they can rez me and start attacking. MAJOR brainfart, there was nothing in the way from me to them also to confuse their AI.
At the lake, I charged into one fight with my warrior... my party just stood there just within my aggro bubble, I was stunned seeing such a bad AI brainfart and died. Had to flag them to my corpse so they can rez me and start attacking. MAJOR brainfart, there was nothing in the way from me to them also to confuse their AI.
allience
vekk has a problem with his AI
i used him this weekend and he always goes a lot in front where the warrior is and dies frequently because of this. even flagged he doesn't stay at the back.
i had him on defensinve but he just doesn't act like the other ele heroes, he thinks he's a tank!
maybe the asura is near sighted? coz i can't find any reason for him getting so close to cast the same spells zhed does in the back.....
PLZ fix this anet!
i used him this weekend and he always goes a lot in front where the warrior is and dies frequently because of this. even flagged he doesn't stay at the back.
i had him on defensinve but he just doesn't act like the other ele heroes, he thinks he's a tank!
maybe the asura is near sighted? coz i can't find any reason for him getting so close to cast the same spells zhed does in the back.....
PLZ fix this anet!
Sparks Dawnbringer
I find this happens less often if you set them from attack to guard. But The Eles are always the last to regain energy. If you set them on a lower energy level in aptitudes they regen faster but don't have as much energy and make sure they have a full 4 pips to regen, no minus one to regen weapons. Having played a Ele many times myself I have the same problem with energy but when I get low I start using my weapon and give skills a rest. There is no way to control the use of skills in a fight they just go in and shoot off every skill until they are out of energy. I also find Olias will sacrafice himself to death if he has to many sacrafice skills. But alas they are better than Stephen, Little Thom, Cynn, and Devona. But I noticed Cynn now as Meteor Shower at least in QW:EN.
ubrikkean
The only problems I've found are with all heroes using the new skills. I put Withering Aura on Olias as a MM, and he didn't even use it once on either the warrior in my party or his minions.
Big_Iron
I'm seeing the same things. Vekk's AI seems to be lacking. He keeps running into the middle of battle instead of hanging back like a good squishy and he can't manage his energy at all.
In general, all henchie and hero AI seemed dumbed down this weekend. They didn't even have enough sense to get out of firestorms.
In general, all henchie and hero AI seemed dumbed down this weekend. They didn't even have enough sense to get out of firestorms.
Taki
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maybe the asura is near sighted?
lol.
I didn't have any problems with hench/hero stopping in their tracks or tanking this weekend but if your casters act too brave put them on defensive mode. When that doesn't work, try giving them a flatbow/longbow or an offhand with no wand. They'll keep saying "I have no weapon equipped..." etc at every zone but in my experience with nightfall it never fails as a last resort.
Or.... ANet could work on the AI and nobody would have to do anything.
I didn't have any problems with hench/hero stopping in their tracks or tanking this weekend but if your casters act too brave put them on defensive mode. When that doesn't work, try giving them a flatbow/longbow or an offhand with no wand. They'll keep saying "I have no weapon equipped..." etc at every zone but in my experience with nightfall it never fails as a last resort.
Or.... ANet could work on the AI and nobody would have to do anything.
Omega X
I think that the AI was broken over the weekend. One of those updates might have did it.
WarKaster
I have noticed this problem too.
On Vekk and Sousuke. Sousuke especially. First noticed it when I was trying to do Abbadon's Gate a the Thursday before the Preview Weekend on my Ranger. Even though I flagged him to where the group was he just stood there getting owned by a torment claw. Then Vekk did the same in the Frostmaw's Burrow. Got owned by the Stalactites. He ran at them cast Fire attunment and stood there.
On Vekk and Sousuke. Sousuke especially. First noticed it when I was trying to do Abbadon's Gate a the Thursday before the Preview Weekend on my Ranger. Even though I flagged him to where the group was he just stood there getting owned by a torment claw. Then Vekk did the same in the Frostmaw's Burrow. Got owned by the Stalactites. He ran at them cast Fire attunment and stood there.
HKSdivision
My Vekk seemed fine but it was Ogden who I had a problem with. Whenever I had a condition on me he wouldn't use a condition removal unless I forced him too or he would use it real late and his healing abilities were odd. My health bar was less than half and he would heal me real late....he also had full energy! When I used Dunkoro then he would use a condition removal and healing spells correctly. Something is very odd.
Longasc
First: I do not think there are individual AIs for different heroes. They all have the same.
So Vekk uses Blinding Surge/Flash properly?
TBH I made him an Earth Warder, as he always blinded the called target as Air Ele, regardless if Melee or Caster, and ignored other melee targets happily beating him.
So Vekk uses Blinding Surge/Flash properly?
TBH I made him an Earth Warder, as he always blinded the called target as Air Ele, regardless if Melee or Caster, and ignored other melee targets happily beating him.
Bassu
Vekk is too short to see anything when he's at the back of your line. He needs to be in the front line to see his enemies 
TechnoSword
Angels Guidance
I cant say that i have had any problems, actually the opposite in fact. Vekk seems to be a rather good blind bot and gwen is far superior to norgu when interupting (havent seen her stuggle for energy once) although one thing i have noticed... seeming Eve now has reapers and thus more en for br, she seems to be killing herself alot more often, lols
My Sweet Revenga
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Ive had problems with all of my heroes/hench in the far shiverpeaks. They seem to all stop moving for a while, whilst i charge in and begin firing off some spears at a lvl 28 target. I have to flag them up to me or else they wont move.
You noticed this too huh? Here I thought it was just me charging in too fast.....
White knight lord
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Anyway, i find Vekks AI to be fine apart from this. Much better than my Zheds, who would often just stand and try to tank. Very strange.. four legs.
My Vekk Did the Best our of all my Heros/henchies, While I am wasting My energy trying to heal the other Dumb Heros/henchies he was going full blast and more then 80% of the time he was the last one standing
P.S. Make sure your heros are on Defend not Attack and they wont run in and die a lot |