Salvaging before IDing is "nerfed"?

Karlos

Karlos

Master of Mallyx

Join Date: Oct 2005

The Kaizen Order [Kaiz]

E/Me

A common practice of those going for the wisdom title is to salvage gold armor before IDing it. Mathematically, as your wisdom and treasure hunter titles go up, this yields more IDs even with the risk of breaking the armor and getting insignias (i.e the chance of getting no ID off the armor).

However, ever since the update on Thursday evening my elemenatlist (rank 6 ID and rank 5 treasure hunter) has broken EVERY armor she tried to salvage before IDing (total of about 8 or 9 armors).

Has anyone else who practices this had the same issue. Has anyone been able to slavage from an unIDed armor and retain it? I think ANet decided to "fix" this.

Brianna

Brianna

Insane & Inhumane

Join Date: Feb 2006

Maybe.. It's just bad luck? Happens all the time.

If Anet did patch it, then oh well. Another small thing people will get over, life moves on.

My Green Storage

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2006

Arizona

My Blue Storage

N/

If I get gold armors (heading to farm right now), I'll try it with my ele (Rank 4 and 4).

But being that I only did it a few times (less then 10), it doesn't affect me.
On the other hand, I never saw it as some will probably say, cheap.
I guess, if it was fixed, ANET saw it as cheap.

Zallya

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

Perfect Salvage Kits should ease any problems you have like that. Wait a week, then one will be a mere skill point, 25 each of a couple of common materials, and 250 gold away (assuming you're getting GW:EN, and getting to Slayer of Nightmares to craft them is far from hard)

In any case, just bad luck. Sorry

Drop of Fear

Drop of Fear

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

W/

i was about to open this aswell. i do a lot of chestruns and i usualy salvage my gold armors before i identify them.
well with 90%+ rate i broke 10 in a row today, then i gave up. truly something has changed here.

Lycan Nibbler

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

AZ

I haven't had many armours over the weekend - but the few I had also all broke, so I am in agreement that its been "fixed"... will be interested in the results of using one of the the perfect salvage kits though to see what happens then.

Karlos

Karlos

Master of Mallyx

Join Date: Oct 2005

The Kaizen Order [Kaiz]

E/Me

Therein lies the issue, why has this been "fixed"?

It's unfair, the title is already ridiculously long, and all people who have it pay to buy unIDs instead of actually playing the game and on top of that it makes sense that you retain your armor as your rank rises, why "fix" it?

Yawgmoth

Yawgmoth

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

Salvaging just got nerfed.
Expert/Perfect salvaging unident items always destroys it and there's one more new annoyance - unident items can't be salvaged with a basic kit at all! Before, when on a long journey, when short on id kit uses, I used to basic salvage blues/grapes for materials (better than throw away, and 'highly salvagable' worked before id'ing too) but now it's impossible. Why such a change?

kooomar

kooomar

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2006

Pow Pow Pow [myau]

Mo/E

This has its pros and cons. It is OBVIOUSLY "nerfed" as I have broken all my armors too, but passed it off as RIDICULOUSLY bad luck. But, now that there are others, it makes sense that it was fixed. This really hurts those of us going for the max titles, but there is a very small amount of us compared to the "noobs" that are getting "scammed" buying unid armor. So, while it hurts us, it also hurts bots while helping newer players.

If there was a way to meet in between, itd be awesome, but I think this is to prevent "Scamming" more than it is to prevent us getting SoW.

Frostnova

Frostnova

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2007

Paladins of Eternal Truth [POET]

R/

noob question>>>what DOES happen before this nerf happened when u salvage gold items b4 id-ing it?<<<

Omniclasm

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

Guild Hall

A/

Its "Fixed" not "Nerfed". Selling Unid Gold items with no runes ftw.

Diddy bow

Diddy bow

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2006

Jawsome!!!!!!!!!!!

looking for one :p

A/D

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yawgmoth
Salvaging just got nerfed.
Expert/Perfect salvaging unident items always destroys it and there's one more new annoyance - unident items can't be salvaged with a basic kit at all!
Im 99% sure its been that way for a while

Vamis Threen

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2006

E/Mo

Not "for a while"- worked fine until last week for me.

Enko

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

VA

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Frostnova
noob question>>>what DOES happen before this nerf happened when u salvage gold items b4 id-ing it?<<<
if you have an unid armor, you can salvage out the rune and/or the insignia and still have the armor be unid. so if you have a gold armor, you have a chance of salvaging out the rune (which would also be unid) so two credits to wisdom title for the price of one.

i just salvaged some unid armors a couple of days ago and 1 broke with the insignia pulled out while the other the rune came out and the armor broke.

i'll do some more testing later on on some blue and purple armors.

Frostnova

Frostnova

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2007

Paladins of Eternal Truth [POET]

R/

o......if i found out about this, i woulda spent less money on my wisdom title ='(

ShadowsRequiem

ShadowsRequiem

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Inde is Smoking [Hawt] *ToA*

W/E

they most likely did this because the bots selling all the unided gold armors had previously salvaged all runes and insignias off the armors.

Voltar

Voltar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

My dog let's me crash at her place.

POB

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem
they most likely did this because the bots selling all the unided gold armors had previously salvaged all runes and insignias off the armors.
That's harsh...I never even thought about that (because I've never bought unID'd golds before). I'd call this a fix too...It also never occurred to me to salvage first in order to be able to double-ID an item since I nickle-and-dime all my money to avoiid having to farm regularly. Pretty clever but I guess that's all over now.

unienaule

unienaule

I dunt even get "Retired"

Join Date: Aug 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

I'm personally waiting for Gaile to come in, wave her hand, and say, "There was no change, it was always this way."

Enko

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

VA

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem
they most likely did this because the bots selling all the unided gold armors had previously salvaged all runes and insignias off the armors.
well for one, the ones selling those to other players most likely weren't bots and most of the armors i bought from people still had the runes in them so just meant almost double IDs for me.

ShadowsRequiem

ShadowsRequiem

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Inde is Smoking [Hawt] *ToA*

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Enko
well for one, the ones selling those to other players most likely weren't bots and most of the armors i bought from people still had the runes in them so just meant almost double IDs for me.
well you must have bought it from someone else.... Doesn't anyone remember the countless threads of "WHY are there no runes in my gold armors!?!" threads?

Karlos

Karlos

Master of Mallyx

Join Date: Oct 2005

The Kaizen Order [Kaiz]

E/Me

Well, if you buy unIDed golds for any length of time, you know never to salvage an unIDed armor cause 99% of the time they have already been stripped of their runes.

Kale Ironfist

Kale Ironfist

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

Australia

Venatio Illuminata [VEIL]

W/

If you're in the market buying unidentified golds, and you get armors, you're not really there for the superior runes are you? You're there to identify the item, sell it and move on.

The only argument here is the 'potential double points' being removed. It's not too much of a loss, but I'll miss my guild members exclamations of successful armor salvages to get double points.

pork soldier

pork soldier

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

I'm pretty sure this is intentional, likely because of perfect salvage kits.

Enko

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

VA

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem
well you must have bought it from someone else.... Doesn't anyone remember the countless threads of "WHY are there no runes in my gold armors!?!" threads?
it was like that for a bit when the salvage from unid thing first came out. before this recent change, you could find a lot of the heavy farmers selling unid armors with runes for 5k-7k each. even at 7k each, if you have a high salvage %, you'll end up having more unids at a cheaper cost.

and yes i agree with pork soldier that this change was probably intended due to the new perfect salvage kits. oh well RIP double unid points . ..