New Scam: Diamonds

I was in Kamadan - American 1 - and saw a guy spamming that he wanted to buy diamonds in bulk for 5k each. I remember seeing them at the trader for 3.7k after the preview, and I had saved up 9 myself. I thought this was really wierd, because the guy was standing a little too close to the rare material trader.

At first, i'll admit, I was ready to sell the guy my diamonds for 5k each, and if he wanted more, then buy them from the trader and sell them to him and make a profit. But I realized the whole thing was a little too fishy. So I decided to take him for a ride. I offered to sell him my 9 diamonds at 5k each. He said "nty, I want them in bulk." That's when I knew he was a scammer. He said he wanted 100+ I told him no one was going to have 100 diamonds and that he should take my 9 because it was a sizeable amount.

Then I called him out saying that I knew that he knew they were 3.7k at the trader. And that he probably bought a ton before the Preview, and when everybody saw how common they were (dropping out of every dungeon boss chest, given away from missions) that he had lost money. I told him that he was trying to get people to buy 100 at the trader thinking they were about to make easy money, and then he would not buy them from the person, and he would hope that the trader price would go up and he could recoup some of the money he lost.

He told me that I was right and that I was the first person to call him out on it. He thought it was a good and funny plan...he then tried to talk to me about what would be a sensible investment, trying to play it off...

ugh.

Just be careful, and dont go buying tons of diamonds to sell to someone that is asking more than they can buy them from at the trader. You'll be stuck them all, and be broke.

That is quite funny. But again, a scam taking advantage of someone that is trying to take advantage of you.

I dunno I think its pretty funny. Some guy comes along thinking to totally rip off this "noob" and BAM The "noob" just made some profit off it.

i've actually seen someone spamming that they were buying ectos for a higher price than the merchant. told him that merchant was cheaper but he continued to spam so i bought one and he bought it. ended up buying around 100 more and he kept buying them. why? have no idea . ..

anyways, for this, if its too good to be true, its probably a scam.

anyone that has half a brain and isnt overly greedy would of sold ALL of their diamonds to the trader when prices spiked to around 8k before the preview event.

i made a nice little profit off of it

I saw someone doing that with DYES the other day- 5k for white, 800g for blue, 400g for red, and so on (real prices- 2.4 I think for white, 190 blue and 280 or something for red). he wouldn't bloody stop spamming local even after there were 10 people on his case about it lmao

that's kinda similar to the scam where someone spams 'wts Milius' Eye 10k' and another guy spams 'wtb Milius' Eye 25k'

and like this, the 'buyer' had no intention of buying

Of course, the problem with this scam is, even if this guy gets 10 people to resell 1000 diamonds to the trader, it won't affect trader prices enough to affect him... moron.

Thats a dumb "scam", plus if he supposedly wanted to buy them in bulk of 100, he wouldn't be able to put more than 100k in the trade now would he...

That's not a very good scam... I mean, you buy all those diamonds and the guy doesn't even take them from you...

OH! You mean you consider HIM to be the scammer? I gotcha

Falsely advertising your interest in buying an item is a scam, especially since we see the malicious intent here.

Nothin wrong with taking advantage of new players though, m i rite??

Wait so now scammers are stupid?

His buying at an inflated price to what the merch is selling and offering?


Umm sorry Its not a scam, if your stupid enough to buy 100 Diamonds, just so u can make a few extra Ks of someon right next to a merch/ trader, You deserve to be banned.

Banned?

On what grounds?

You are like saying the CEO of McDonalds deserves to be executed for selling their 50 cent ground meat burger for a dollar.

Owned by your own greed...

He's not going to buy them from you, that's the point. So it is a scam. But it's idiotic, and one would have to be likewise idiotic to fall for it.

Oh on several, like attempting to rip of a player, Conduct unbecoming of a MMO character, Grand Stupidity.

The reversal of the same discussion about if someone sells a item for inflated price, If I sell a collectors weapon for 100k + and get a buyer, then they find out it possible to get it for 5 <collectors items>, I'm the seller will be getting banned.

Did you read the OP's post, He is saying the guy is running a scam buy spamming to BUY Diamonds for 5K each, wanting 100k worth.

Now I'm sure the only remotly scamming part comes in when some idiot buys 100k worth of Diamonds and then the buyer refused to buy...

Point being No scam is actually taking place, but if your stupid enough to attempt to rip off another player, then yeah you should be banned.

PS, the CEO of of McDonalds deserves to be executed for selling McDonalds, and brain washing kids to eat that crap.

Lol his not scamming anyone, Its your own stupidity that scamming the people who buy 100 Diamonds,

You won't get a result from reporting them, infact I hope anet sends a message replying "LFMAO" to anyone attempting to report them. And like I said if your buying 100 Diamonds to make a few extra Ks off another players lack of knowledge, you deserve what you get. And should be banned to spare the game your stupidity.

No, you're not "rite." Taking advantage of a new player is a slime-ball thing to do.

For those of you who don't quite seem to get what the OP is saying (there seems to be a lot of you), here it is in chat window form:

Scammer: WTB Diamonds in bulk, 5k each
Player A: I've got 9 I'll sell you!
Scammer: NTY, I want them in bulk
*Player A buys 91 diamonds from RMT, decreasing the RMT's supply*
Player A: OK, I've got 100 I'll sell you. (thinking, 130k profit- w00t!)
Scammer: NVM, I've got all I need (or some other lame assed BS, since he never intended to buy them)

*Scammer then moves to other district/town and repeats until the RMT's price goes up enough for him to sell the ones he's had stuck in storage since before the preview for a profit, since he missed the opportunity when they hit 8K before the preview.*

Kook, most of them understand what's happening. They just don't think it's wrong, and some even think the victims are the bad guys in this scenario. I've seen some of them on a similar thread posting similar opinions. Morality is a rare commodity these days, it seems.

There are games intended for people who like games like that. EVE online, for example. But GW's EULA is aimed at establishing an honest cooperative environment. So no, it's NOT right to take advantage of anyone and similar. If you spam WTB diamond @ 10k, you better be willing to pay that price.

I thought the maximum amount of gold a character can carry is 100k? How is he going to trade 100 diamonds at 5k each?

Ah I see it now support is swamped with a zillion claims, This guy said he was going to buy <insert item> at <insert price>. But now he claims he isn't/Doesn't want it/ or already got one! Ban him! ZOD demands it!



Error 107: You have been banned for not accepting a trade, your account has been forzen, Anet does not support traders of false claims. You can not appeal this ban!

I'm going off to Spam WTB Sanity 100k, And yet never accept any trade offers mawahahahaha

I love threads like this. It makes the idiots come out to play and show their morals. I'm going to leave it at that. Only a few intelligent people who know me will know what I'm referring to. The rest of you? Well, let's just say I'm assuming the person/s in question will be getting VERY paranoid around now and try to defend themselves. More entertainment for me.

Oh... millions of people decide prices all over the world... and he thinks he can change it scamming people in ONE outposts? XDDDDD.

He's scamming himself, XD.

Islands of reason in a sea of madness. Thanks OP for the heads up. I saw that guy (or someone with a similar ploy) yesterday and wondered what the hell he was thinking...

that whole 'lets ban people because they say they want to buy something then dont when i offer them it' thing makes me laugh! Imaging if you put WTB Wroths Icon, 10k. Then 10 people Wisp you offering you it, your not going to buy them all because all those people offered them to you, but no, you best do or some people my try and BAN you?!

what the Funk?!

That isn't scamming, just preying on dumb/ignorant people.

OK, first off, what kinda "noob" is going to have the cash to buy 100 Diamonds, even if they were only 1k a piece?

I'd like to know if this guy has successfully gotten anyone to buy Diamonds.

The situation you describe here is not a scam. And no one here has said that it is. That scenario originated as words Roshi_ikkyu put into Iuris's mouth so that he would have a straw man to argue against in defense of the indefensible. Yet, neither Iuris nor anyone else ever argued for that position.

There is a world of difference between (1) offering to buy something with the true intent to actually buy it from the first person who responds with the right item at the specified price, and then getting more responses than you need, or even changing your mind, and (2) offering to buy something when you NEVER had any intent to do so. It is the difference between truth and lies. That's why one is a scam and the other is not.

The heart of every scam is a lie. When you want to know, "is this a scam?" search for the lie. Search for the words or deliberate implications uttered by one who at that moment knows them to be false. If the liar walks away from the deal richer than they came in, because of the lie, it is a scam.

Here, we have a scam because we have a lie. "Want to buy diamonds" was a lie because, at the very moment he said it, this person knew that he, in fact, did not want to buy diamonds. Not even one. He never had any intent to do so. He lied.
And, had his lie worked, he would have walked away richer for it. Thus, this was a scam.

This is a case of the pot calling the kettle black. There's no point arguing morality here, because the truly moral would never be affected by this 'scam'. Even if this scam successfully produced the effect intended by the scammer (the increases of prices at the trader), the 'victim' of the scam is, in point of fact, merely a victim of their own greed and immortality. In order to be scammed by this scheme, you would necessarily intend to scam the person advertising to buy. Neither the 'scammer' nor the 'victim' is innocent; furthermore, neither is more or less moral than the other, as their thinking is identical.

i bought sapphires.rubbies before NF for 4k a piece. When they hit 8k I sold them. 3 weeks later they were goin for 14k a pop at the trader.

Since this weekend didn't showcase enough for us to know if Diamonds are used its a little too early to dump them.

As they say, two wrongs don't make a right. The fact that the victim intended to do wrong also does not make the scammer's actions any less wrongful. It's not right to scam anyone. Ever. Not even those who would scam you. Frankly, it disturbs me to see how many people seem to think that another's bad intent gives them an excuse to act just as badly. (That last comment is not directed at you personally, Burst Cancel.)