With the recent release of GW:EN, I noticed a new [Consumables] trader where you can purchase a 'Perfect Salvage Kit' that removes ALL chances of destroying what you salvage.
So what good does a MAXED Wisdom title do me now?!?
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Wisdom
If you DO have a higher-end item you want to change the mods to, you wouldn't dare use anything BUT the NEW 'Perfect Salvage Kit'... and the folks that have played long enough to identify 10,000 items generally don't care much if lower-end items are destroyed or not after removing a part... the extra 100g from the merchant is trivial.
I suggest that the Wisdom title's benefit be changed from '% Salvage Increase' to '% Lockpick Retention.' Can't a certain level of wisdom be used in locksmithy to retain a lockpick???
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Notes:
The percentages will need to be adjusted slightly to allow the Treasure Hunter, Wisdom, and Lucky title's benefits to stack without giving a retention rate that is to high...
What are your thoughts/comments???
/signed <--------------------- I Elite Starchild I
_____$#!%! Our Wisdom Titles Are Worthless!_____
Zendie Starchild
Ninna
its not worthless
no one is going to perfect salvages on all items
no one is going to perfect salvages on all items
intarwebs
PSK's are kinda expensive.
Cebe
Remember you can't really get an unlimited number of Perfect salvage kits - since they cost skillpoints. Also, they only have 5 uses. On most things I'd rather just take my chances with a normal salvage kit. Only using perfect salvage kits will prove very costly methinks.
Also, as nice as it would be to have an obscenely high chance to retain lockpicks I feel things are fine as they are so...
/not_signed.
It's a MAXED TITLE. You answered your own question.
gogo KoaBD.
Also, as nice as it would be to have an obscenely high chance to retain lockpicks I feel things are fine as they are so...
/not_signed.
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Originally Posted by Zendie Starchild
So what good does a MAXED Wisdom title do me now?!?
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gogo KoaBD.
GloryFox
The cost alone for 5 perfect salvages does not make it very feasible. Plus you need the right Norn, Asura, etc, titles to get the perfect salvage kits. A high cost perfect salvage kit with 5 charges was needed IMO.
I think you are over reacting here a bit.
I think you are over reacting here a bit.
wilderness
Actually, upon reflection:
They will be a great tool for hi-end items. But I doubt people will waste them salvaging mods from merch food. Your wisdom title will help you retain said merch food and earn back a little more gold.
Wisdom is still valid, albeit ever so slightly diluted.
/not signed
They will be a great tool for hi-end items. But I doubt people will waste them salvaging mods from merch food. Your wisdom title will help you retain said merch food and earn back a little more gold.
Wisdom is still valid, albeit ever so slightly diluted.
/not signed
Lady Erighan
Not everyone will have EotN and those people that don’t have it may also not want to spend money on expensive kits being sold by people bringing them over to the other campaigns.
I rather use an expert salvage kit on my merchant gold staff that’s worth 400g to get +5 energy head, rather than using a perfect salvage kit that costs ~500g (or more) per salvage. Since most merchant gold weapons range from 150-500g, that gold sure adds up over time. And some of us ID dozens of golds each day.
The title will still have it uses. /not signed
I rather use an expert salvage kit on my merchant gold staff that’s worth 400g to get +5 energy head, rather than using a perfect salvage kit that costs ~500g (or more) per salvage. Since most merchant gold weapons range from 150-500g, that gold sure adds up over time. And some of us ID dozens of golds each day.
The title will still have it uses. /not signed
thor hammerbane
Perfect salvage kits aren't changing anything. I like that they implemented them. Now when I buy perfect weapons and shields, I can salvage off those god-awful 20/20 sundering mods and the -5(20%) inscrips.
perfect
Does the wisdom title track give 100% salvage rate? I didnt think so. So even those with max wisdom will need to use these.
billypowergamer
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Originally Posted by wilderness
I agree.
Perfect salvage are VERY easy to obtain and will negate the benefit of wisdom entirely. My main char has hundreds of SPs, so they do feel a little thoughtless when held up next to the wisdom title benefit. Tying to lockpick retention could be cool, but then you'd be nerfing one of the games major money sinks... Idk yet, I haven't really thought about this too much. - Saying this, remember back when titles were entirely passive? We still went for them in a bid to show off, and people will continue to do so. Also, titles aside, PSK ftw when re-modding hi-end items: Entirely negates the need to stand around for (potential) hours when searching for specific mods. Great idea, just needs some balancing. |
I think it's perfectly balanced as is, because using perfect salvage kits would cost more money then using a superior salvage kit per charge. 250g + materials + a skill point for only 5 charges seems a little steep for salvaging runes and insignias off random armors found in the field. Obviously these are not meant to be for everyday use, so I think the wisdom title still holds some merit for everyday salvaging.
Solas
...why?
people complain too much
its roughly around 50g, 10 dust and 10 iron, which is maybe roughly 500g + a skill point total PER SALVAGE with an id kit.
are you gonna pay 500g and askill ppoint on using it on purple or random golds? doubt it, only really nice tihngs,when its worht it. so in no w2ay is wisdom useless.
+ its a title....
your only gonna use these ooon rare skins i assume with a perfect mod thats not needed, or a skin you have and transfer the mod.
people complain too much
its roughly around 50g, 10 dust and 10 iron, which is maybe roughly 500g + a skill point total PER SALVAGE with an id kit.
are you gonna pay 500g and askill ppoint on using it on purple or random golds? doubt it, only really nice tihngs,when its worht it. so in no w2ay is wisdom useless.
+ its a title....
your only gonna use these ooon rare skins i assume with a perfect mod thats not needed, or a skin you have and transfer the mod.
Abedeus
Don't know like you, but I won't give that much - Skill point, materials and cash just for 5 uses. I guess I'll stick to making my Wisdom Title on monk or ritualist.
/not signed... for whatever.
/not signed... for whatever.
Jayden_Angelus
For me it's all about getting perfect mods off of high end items without that chance of losing the item. Especially for say 20/20 sundering or +30 hp mods. Hell I wish they had come out with this before I salvaged a mod off my gold gothic dual axe that had inherent +5 energy. It was a wicked skin and I got the mod, but lost the axe.
You're wisdom titles are still going to work with the other salvage kits, but there are times you're going to want that 100% perfection.
~|AW|Jayden
You're wisdom titles are still going to work with the other salvage kits, but there are times you're going to want that 100% perfection.
~|AW|Jayden
william1975
ooo does this mean i can use them on unidentified gold armours and then double my id of gold on them?
anyway to the point, wisdom as others have said is not useless in this new environment. I can now get the perfect salvage kits, but at 250g, 1 skill point and 50 iron and 50 glittering dust its very expensive i would only use it on perfect weapons that had really crap mods that i wanted to remove. this means it will be very rarely used, however on other items like purple or blue armours i will use the expert salvage kits and take the loses for cheaper.
/unsigned
anyway to the point, wisdom as others have said is not useless in this new environment. I can now get the perfect salvage kits, but at 250g, 1 skill point and 50 iron and 50 glittering dust its very expensive i would only use it on perfect weapons that had really crap mods that i wanted to remove. this means it will be very rarely used, however on other items like purple or blue armours i will use the expert salvage kits and take the loses for cheaper.
/unsigned
EternalTempest
Only time I would ever use a PSK is if there two perfect mods or needed to remove a price rune from an armor peice...
It also makes sense, since HoM know has armor unlocks - only for elite/15k sets... do you really want to chance moving runes like that around w/o risking destruction of very expensive armor.
And costing Skill Points is not a "cheap" thing.
It also makes sense, since HoM know has armor unlocks - only for elite/15k sets... do you really want to chance moving runes like that around w/o risking destruction of very expensive armor.
And costing Skill Points is not a "cheap" thing.
Kusandaa
Huh yeah. Like I'm going to use it for -every- mod.
No.
I use perfect salvage kits when I want to retain the 2 mods on something, or changing a mod without breaking the item but still want the mod I removed because it could be used on another item. My ID title is my ID title... and I'm going for it anyways. If I only one want ONE mod out of a skin I don't like, then I'm gonna use an expert salvage kit - I'll have my ID and my mod, I'll be happy.
No.
I use perfect salvage kits when I want to retain the 2 mods on something, or changing a mod without breaking the item but still want the mod I removed because it could be used on another item. My ID title is my ID title... and I'm going for it anyways. If I only one want ONE mod out of a skin I don't like, then I'm gonna use an expert salvage kit - I'll have my ID and my mod, I'll be happy.
wilderness
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Originally Posted by billypowergamer
I think it's perfectly balanced as is, because using perfect salvage kits would cost more money then using a superior salvage kit per charge. 250g + materials + a skill point for only 5 charges seems a little steep for salvaging runes and insignias off random armors found in the field. Obviously these are not meant to be for everyday use, so I think the wisdom title still holds some merit for everyday salvaging.
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Ctb
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Originally Posted by Talach_Ninneed
are you gonna pay 500g and askill ppoint on using it on purple or random golds? doubt it, only really nice tihngs,when its worht it. so in no w2ay is wisdom useless.
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Of course, the "economy" is already completely screwed and pointless unless you're devoting obscene amounts of time to high-level area farming in DoA and the like, so I fail to see how this will fundamentally change much of anything anyway.
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Originally Posted by thor hammerbane
its a title....
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Sarevok Thordin
Someone's overreacting a ton here.
Perfect Salvage kits are not exactly cheap and are 5 uses. Wisdom titles are constant. Rest of the points are in some above posts.
/not-signed
Perfect Salvage kits are not exactly cheap and are 5 uses. Wisdom titles are constant. Rest of the points are in some above posts.
/not-signed
onerabbit
Q.Q Moar please.
=D always wanted to do that
=D always wanted to do that
Chthon
/ definitely NOT signed
Legendary Shiz
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Originally Posted by wilderness
Actually, upon reflection:
They will be a great tool for hi-end items. But I doubt people will waste them salvaging mods from merch food. Your wisdom title will help you retain said merch food and earn back a little more gold. Wisdom is still valid, albeit ever so slightly diluted. /not signed |
Wisdom title won't be useless, but it does kind of take at least something away from it.
WinterSnowblind
It's been said, but just to restate it. Perfect Salvage Kits are great for creating Gold items. Instead of just hoping that you can salvage off the crappy inscriptions, these are a guaranteed shot at it. I see the price of Max Gold weapons dramatically decreasing because of this. I also had some armour I wanted to replace the Runes on, but was previously too afraid of breaking it and having to pay the 15k again to replace it.
But again, Perfect Salvage Kits aren't something I would just use on any old item, only under specific circumstances.
But again, Perfect Salvage Kits aren't something I would just use on any old item, only under specific circumstances.
Yawgmoth
Not worthless but far less useful for those who maxed them. It will still allow you to save 100-200g here and there occasionally, but the most use from it comes on the way to maxing it - you need to ident and get the most out of thousands of items to max the title and it still helps you in doing so. There just won't be situations like the max wisdom+treasure hunter being the guild's Salvage Man.
ValaOfTheFens
I like PSK's. Their cost is prohibitive enough to prevent constant usage of them but they're within the grasp of casual players. I bought 2 during the preview and salvaged a buttload of perfect mods and inscriptions from the sea of mostly horrible grapes I got from chests. I even used to remove a wrongly applied inscription. 
In short, they're great but not game-breaking.
In short, they're great but not game-breaking.
Vamis Threen
To the OP:
First of all, gz on maxing wisdom, if you are into titles then it's worthwhile in itself.
I'm still going to be working on wisdom, mainly because it pleases me to do so in itself, but also because it's still a useful title, especially when salvaging low-end stuff.
Remember even at maxed wisdom and maxed treasure hunter you still have a 8% chance of, for example, breaking the sword prior to getting both the +30 and the 20/20 from it. Now you have a choice for items you just can't afford to break. Regular salvage, from which you will benefit from maxed wisdom, will still be what nearly all people will use nearly all the time.
So good job on the title, but;
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First of all, gz on maxing wisdom, if you are into titles then it's worthwhile in itself.
I'm still going to be working on wisdom, mainly because it pleases me to do so in itself, but also because it's still a useful title, especially when salvaging low-end stuff.
Remember even at maxed wisdom and maxed treasure hunter you still have a 8% chance of, for example, breaking the sword prior to getting both the +30 and the 20/20 from it. Now you have a choice for items you just can't afford to break. Regular salvage, from which you will benefit from maxed wisdom, will still be what nearly all people will use nearly all the time.
So good job on the title, but;
/not signed
Firebaall
lol...
Not everybody here has sold glitch items in pre-searing making millions, and bought unidents with that cash.
/not signed
Not everybody here has sold glitch items in pre-searing making millions, and bought unidents with that cash.
/not signed
Sasuke The Betrayer
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Originally Posted by WinterSnowblind
It's been said, but just to restate it. Perfect Salvage Kits are great for creating Gold items. Instead of just hoping that you can salvage off the crappy inscriptions, these are a guaranteed shot at it. I see the price of Max Gold weapons dramatically decreasing because of this. I also had some armour I wanted to replace the Runes on, but was previously too afraid of breaking it and having to pay the 15k again to replace it.
But again, Perfect Salvage Kits aren't something I would just use on any old item, only under specific circumstances. |
. Yay!
Shadow
It should give a % that it may not consume a point off the "uses" remaining ID/salvage kits.
You can't see me
Well let's examine this.
Let's say perfect salvage kits drop to 3k each. So you pay 600 gold for each salvage. A superior salvage kit and a maxed wisdom title which has a very small percentile to break the item has 100 uses, and costs 2 plat, so you pay 20 gold for each salvage. Seriously, in the long run, wisdom title will save you much more money.
This is my bit:
For Rare items with a good mod on them, but not the one you want, use a perfect salvage kit on them to get the mod and the item. When it comes to regular salvaging, like a 20/20 off a crappy gold, using a max wisdom title will usually give you the mod and the gold of the item value to sell. I'd say that with all the items I've salvaged in my career, it would be worth it to have a wisdom title.
It does not at all render it useless, it just makes salvaging those rare skins for mods a little less nerve wracking =P
/Utterly unsignesd.
Let's say perfect salvage kits drop to 3k each. So you pay 600 gold for each salvage. A superior salvage kit and a maxed wisdom title which has a very small percentile to break the item has 100 uses, and costs 2 plat, so you pay 20 gold for each salvage. Seriously, in the long run, wisdom title will save you much more money.
This is my bit:
For Rare items with a good mod on them, but not the one you want, use a perfect salvage kit on them to get the mod and the item. When it comes to regular salvaging, like a 20/20 off a crappy gold, using a max wisdom title will usually give you the mod and the gold of the item value to sell. I'd say that with all the items I've salvaged in my career, it would be worth it to have a wisdom title.
It does not at all render it useless, it just makes salvaging those rare skins for mods a little less nerve wracking =P
/Utterly unsignesd.
darktyco
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Originally Posted by Zendie Starchild
With the recent release of GW:EN, I noticed a new [Consumables] trader where you can purchase a 'Perfect Salvage Kit' that removes ALL chances of destroying what you salvage.
So what good does a MAXED Wisdom title do me now?!? http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Wisdom If you DO have a higher-end item you want to change the mods to, you wouldn't dare use anything BUT the NEW 'Perfect Salvage Kit'... and the folks that have played long enough to identify 10,000 items generally don't care much if lower-end items are destroyed or not after removing a part... the extra 100g from the merchant is trivial. I suggest that the Wisdom title's benefit be changed from '% Salvage Increase' to '% Lockpick Retention.' Can't a certain level of wisdom be used in locksmithy to retain a lockpick??? __________________________________________________ ______________________________________ Notes: The percentages will need to be adjusted slightly to allow the Treasure Hunter, Wisdom, and Lucky title's benefits to stack without giving a retention rate that is to high... What are your thoughts/comments??? /signed <--------------------- I Elite Starchild I |
HawkofStorms
Irony is, the Wisdom title still costs money to get in the first place (by chest running or buying unided). The short term money you make from getting "free salvages" barely covers the cost of getting the wisdom title in the first place. The title was always kinda worthless.
Yes, you make more money, but its a huge time and cost investment the first time around.
Yes, you make more money, but its a huge time and cost investment the first time around.
pork soldier
QQ MOAR pl0x
Lafayette
Most titles are useless. What's one more?
Agyar
Owned, better have a cry about it.
Marth Reynolds
seconds wilderness his/her statement, it wll stay usefull for common loot for everything you don't destroy you can sell.
Snow Bunny
I have max wisdom title and I <3 PSK.
/notsigned
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Avarre
Titles shouldn't have any effect on the game anyways, as most of them don't. All they do is show your invested time.