I frequently use Norgu with Mantra of Recovery and Power Return on his bar.
Generally he also has some domination/inspiration to fuel him, and machine-guns interrupts at various enemies. He can catch nearly anything, and always has an interrupt ready. Use heroes where they are good - a BHA ranger hero can be ok, but will also fire shots into an obstruction, or waste BHA on a target that is moving. You can manually control them, but you still run into areas with condition removal making BHA harder to use. The AI is rock solid on interrupts, provided they aren't busy casting something else, so make lots of interrupts available, give them some fast casting and don't give them too many other spells that they'll get distracted trying to spread.
Why, o why is Gwen a mesmer?
Epinephrine
Hengis
Try playing Gwen, or Norgu for that matter, as an Illusionary Weaponary Mesmer/Dervish with Mystic Regeneration and Illusion of Weakness and Faithfull Intervention (as a no cost to maintain enchantment). She becomes an extremely hard to kill tank who is was often the last in my party still standing. I actually played both of them with the same build and +5 energy/enchants last 20% longer swords in some areas to great effect.
Also in the areas with the symbiosis, she had over 1000 health most of the time and up to 1500 health when she had some monk enchantments on her too.
Edit: Both Gwen and Norgu are rather erratic at using Faithful Intervention on themselves, probably because they have no attributes in that skill line, so just cast it manually for them when you enter a new area.
Also in the areas with the symbiosis, she had over 1000 health most of the time and up to 1500 health when she had some monk enchantments on her too.
Edit: Both Gwen and Norgu are rather erratic at using Faithful Intervention on themselves, probably because they have no attributes in that skill line, so just cast it manually for them when you enter a new area.
Stormlord Alex
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Edit: Both Gwen and Norgu are rather erratic at using Faithful Intervention on themselves, probably because they have no attributes in that skill line, so just cast it manually for them when you enter a new area.
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It seems as they use it as a self-heal when they're dying, as opposed to pre-casting it like they should. It's nuttin' to do with attributes, just bad AI
LONGA
Ai don't know synergies.They only know spamergies.
You provide them the conditions to maximize the skill effect and they will pull it off nicely.
You provide them the conditions to maximize the skill effect and they will pull it off nicely.
mazey vorstagg
I'm still using Norgu!
Fat men FTW!!
Fat men FTW!!
Coloneh
the thing is that mesmers have no advantage as a primary profession. or at least none that i can see.
Snow Bunny
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sounds like she wanted to be a warrior. that would be nice. a class that has an advantage as a primary is always nice.
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This is what makes me lose faith in the general intelligence of humankind.
Just take devona...you rarely need warriors anyway...You already have Jora, Goren, Koss. We need another useless hero?
Jesus, Gwen has pwned every possible high risk ele boss i've seen.
Watching her power-block Whiteout's Icespikes was absolute leetsauce.
Take her with a half-decent mesmer bar and watch enemy mobs crumble.
Pssh...my friend and I always run our hero teams with at least 1 para and 1 mesmer. I <3 unfavored profs.
EDIT: I include this quote with the one above.
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the thing is that mesmers have no advantage as a primary profession. or at least none that i can see.
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Redfeather1975
Why do some people hate mesmers 
Oh, well I look mighty stylish at least.
Oh, well I look mighty stylish at least.
bhavv
Mesmers are great, But I would require four more hero slots before I can use one.
I Is Special
Imo, mesmers are pretty useless in PvE. They're only useful in hardmode, for their obvious interupt/harrasing abilities vs stronger monks and One-Shot-kill nuking bossse. But in normal mode I see them as being a waste of a party slot. The mobs in normal mode die _way_ too fast and there is no need to shut down the monk. You could take an ele and cut the time it takes to kill the mob, in half, along with most other proffessions to deal large quantities of damage.
Shutdown = not needed in pve
*This is from a person who plays active mesmer in pvp*
Shutdown = not needed in pve
*This is from a person who plays active mesmer in pvp*
Jennie
Mesmers can be completely useless in PvE.......... if you dont know how to use them right. Once you have the skills unlocked and figured out how to work them right, mesmers rock. I've done the brute force thing and been hitting away at targets till I'm blue in the face... Add a mesmer hero (Or when I'm on my main chara, Medaya) and I can stop them in there tracks much much sooner. I started out on my first chara as a mesmer and it was the BEST thing I could have ever done.. because mesmers can be tricky to learn and it forced me to learn the other professions in order to be either bit efficient.
Another thing too... mesmers are awesome interrupts but they can also do quite a bit of damage with degen.. I load up on illusion spells and take olias with br and I can go all day no worries of running out of energy... not much chance of getting interrupted because of fast casting and I can do enough degen that a monk doesn't have the time to stop me or the power to slow it down.... muah ah ah ha ha...
But yeah... general point... if you think mesmers suck then you dont know how to use them right or have not come across someone who has mastered them properly.... otherwise a little respect for the mesmer community is deserved..... In my opinion anyways.
Another thing too... mesmers are awesome interrupts but they can also do quite a bit of damage with degen.. I load up on illusion spells and take olias with br and I can go all day no worries of running out of energy... not much chance of getting interrupted because of fast casting and I can do enough degen that a monk doesn't have the time to stop me or the power to slow it down.... muah ah ah ha ha...
But yeah... general point... if you think mesmers suck then you dont know how to use them right or have not come across someone who has mastered them properly.... otherwise a little respect for the mesmer community is deserved..... In my opinion anyways.
Kinn
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Why did Anet make the Gwen hero a mesmer? I wanted to use her, not have her gather dust.
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Honestly, the only thing that could make Gwen even more desirable would be the option to run her naked (although obviously she keeps the choker on, gnome sane?).
Guardian of the Light
Fifithedestroyer
this thread makes me sad
me and my guildies spent most of today running 2 monks 1 dervish 1 necro (not MM)1 paragon and 3 mesmers (me +gwen AND norgu)
and wow everything was easy. it just pissed us off we wouldnt do HM yet
me and my guildies spent most of today running 2 monks 1 dervish 1 necro (not MM)1 paragon and 3 mesmers (me +gwen AND norgu)
and wow everything was easy. it just pissed us off we wouldnt do HM yet
Coloneh
what can Mesmers do in PvE that eles and necros cant do better tho? I dont mean to offend anyone who likes mesmers, I just dont understand where your coming from at all.
artay
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the thing is that mesmers have no advantage as a primary profession. or at least none that i can see.
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haggus71
Soon as I saw the title I could smell the little troll.
Y'all made his day by responding to this.
Should have necroed by the first page.
Y'all made his day by responding to this.
Should have necroed by the first page.
Bankai
I'm only using GWEN henchies in my playthrough of EotN, so I have used her a lot.
Yesterday I got Livia. And I was wondering whether I should keep in Gwen or bring Livia.
I don't think Livia will ever join my party.
Yesterday I got Livia. And I was wondering whether I should keep in Gwen or bring Livia.
I don't think Livia will ever join my party.
Acolyte of Zero
lol.. mesmer sure is underrated,
plus if u dont like it, just make it a FC nuker or
fast cast+ anything w/ signet of illusion
plus if u dont like it, just make it a FC nuker or
fast cast+ anything w/ signet of illusion
Avarre
Mesmers are not great in pve. I wrote an article why this is. However, GWEN is much more suited towards them so this may have changed slightly, with regards to mob skill setup and level.
Etta
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what can Mesmers do in PvE that eles and necros cant do better tho? I dont mean to offend anyone who likes mesmers, I just dont understand where your coming from at all.
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Also agree with Yanman. Epic indeed.
Kratos Angel
Errrr personally I'm a mesmer fan ... however in pve I don't bring often a hero as a mesmer, I prefer human mesmer (except for interrupts of course they're really good at it), because henchies are really crap with em -_-.
But for completing GW : EN pve, I can say it, I just play monk with 2 mon henchies, 1 MM henchie, 1 Human SS, and just SF heroes ... why ? Because SS owns, MM got a good defense + good utility in fight, and because SF is still so much imba, SF pwns all in pve, even in pvp, this skill is really overpowered, that's retard.
But for completing GW : EN pve, I can say it, I just play monk with 2 mon henchies, 1 MM henchie, 1 Human SS, and just SF heroes ... why ? Because SS owns, MM got a good defense + good utility in fight, and because SF is still so much imba, SF pwns all in pve, even in pvp, this skill is really overpowered, that's retard.
Angelic Upstart
Im not talking about PVP here people. PvE is where damage counts, not shutdown......
Myopic
Myopic
Evilsod
There were 2 options for Gwen hinted in Pre-searing. She liked Warriors but preferred Mesmer armour... don't think she quite fits the bill for a Warrior and i NEVER use Warrior heroes unless i'm forced to... at least been a Mesmer i'd use her.
ryanryanryan0310
Here let me end this:
Because memsers are hawt!!!!!
Because memsers are hawt!!!!!
acidic
They wear lingerie???
bhavv
Empathy, clumsiness and ineptitude are godly skills in HM.
I wish they moved empathy to illusion though
I wish they moved empathy to illusion though
KvanCetre
Simply put:
Just because you suck at mesmers doesn't mean mesmers suck.
Just because you suck at mesmers doesn't mean mesmers suck.
upier
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Simply put:
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The mesmer requires just as much skill to be played in PvE as any other class. I would be inclined to say that maybe even less. Just because the advanced tactics of the mesmer class simply don't work in PvE because of it's flawed design (PvE's NOT the mesmer's design that is!)
So if I were a mesmer player seeing all butterflies and roses - I'd seriously ask myself how good am I that I fail to see how incompatible the mesmer is with PvE. Because the most basic tactics really work in PvE - and if you don't see ANY issues then you are prolly still stuck there. At the basics.
Avarre
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Just because you're good at mesmer doesn't mean mesmers are good.
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I can play my Mesmer all I want, but I'll never be as effective in the team as another player of the same skill level playing a more pve-capable class. Your damage is worse, your interrupts aren't really better, your survivability and team support is worse... This doesn't mean Mesmers don't work, you can easily finish the game and any area with them. It just means they don't work as well.
I kinda think I need to link the PvE state of the mesmer article here, because evidently it hasn't been read recently.
Qual
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your right mesmers are totally useless why have mesmer heros.
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Shadis
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Or to trash the myth that is being kept alive by players who feel that mother nature gave them a too small of a penis:
The mesmer requires just as much skill to be played in PvE as any other class. I would be inclined to say that maybe even less. Just because the advanced tactics of the mesmer class simply don't work in PvE because of it's flawed design (PvE's NOT the mesmer's design that is!) So if I were a mesmer player seeing all butterflies and roses - I'd seriously ask myself how good am I that I fail to see how incompatible the mesmer is with PvE. Because the most basic tactics really work in PvE - and if you don't see ANY issues then you are prolly still stuck there. At the basics. |
It's very, very easy to get a large effect on a battle with an Elementalist or Necromancers, it takes considerably more effort and thought to get as similar effect using a Mesmer. I also love how you think it's some vast conspiracy by Mesmers to make everyone think that the class takes a lot of skill to play effectively (that being the keyword) in PvE. Yes, we all have meetings and nametags!
The class isn't incompatible with PvE, it's incompatible with the Tank, Nuker, Heal mentality. I guess that's the ONLY tactic out there though, right? Yeah, no. Not everyone plays that way. Shocking, isn't it?
Croix_Raul
Gwen is a MES Mha mha SO?
La La La
Mes sux? lol i am not going to answer this tart question
I m going burn hole in those thick armour and steamroller the whole eotn with gwen ,norgu and me MES (PvE using mes lol)
(Laughing at me new found power people not even aware of)
GL for those trying to SF with 3 ele against destroyer XD
Some people on the board just crack me up everytime they post something new
La La La
Mes sux? lol i am not going to answer this tart question
I m going burn hole in those thick armour and steamroller the whole eotn with gwen ,norgu and me MES (PvE using mes lol)
(Laughing at me new found power people not even aware of)
GL for those trying to SF with 3 ele against destroyer XD
Some people on the board just crack me up everytime they post something new
Antheus
There's bunch of people who are having lots of problems with GW:EN content. Dungeons, quests being too hard, bosses impossible to kill....
I don't know, I always thought this level 20 content would, well, kinda hard, or at least hard-ish.
Then again, having 2 mesmers, 2 blood or curses necros and possibly a warder makes everything a breeze. Same goes for hard mode. Mesmers + necros over anything nuking related, even 3 or 4 SF nukers.
But playing holy trinity with a mesmer as decoration is indeed pointless.
Prices of mesmer runes are going up though, so perhaps people will learn the benefits.
I don't care, GW:EN finally rewards alternate builds, rather than just allow them. Everything is still doable with W/E/Mo, but that's on the lowest end of usability scale.
I don't know, I always thought this level 20 content would, well, kinda hard, or at least hard-ish.
Then again, having 2 mesmers, 2 blood or curses necros and possibly a warder makes everything a breeze. Same goes for hard mode. Mesmers + necros over anything nuking related, even 3 or 4 SF nukers.
But playing holy trinity with a mesmer as decoration is indeed pointless.
Prices of mesmer runes are going up though, so perhaps people will learn the benefits.
I don't care, GW:EN finally rewards alternate builds, rather than just allow them. Everything is still doable with W/E/Mo, but that's on the lowest end of usability scale.
RhanoctJocosa
The only other profession she'd suit is an ele, and we've already got 3 current ele heroes (iirc, haven't bought EOTN yet so I'm not sure).
And because she's sexy
And because she's sexy
upier
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I LOL'd mightily at the mere suggestion that an Elementalist or Necromancer takes just as much skill to play as a Mesmer anywhere. LOL indeed.
It's very, very easy to get a large effect on a battle with an Elementalist or Necromancers, it takes considerably more effort and thought to get as similar effect using a Mesmer. I also love how you think it's some vast conspiracy by Mesmers to make everyone think that the class takes a lot of skill to play effectively (that being the keyword) in PvE. Yes, we all have meetings and nametags! The class isn't incompatible with PvE, it's incompatible with the Tank, Nuker, Heal mentality. I guess that's the ONLY tactic out there though, right? Yeah, no. Not everyone plays that way. Shocking, isn't it? |
Backfire = cast on casters.
Empathy, (and prolly one of the most godly skills in PvE ) Clumsiness = cast on pretty much everything since pretty much everything will attack.
Degen = uhmmm ... cast on everything?
Surge/Burn/CoP and other mesmer nukes = uhmm ... cast on everything?
Interrupts = most classes have interrupts so nothing superbly more difficult for the mesmer.
We have skill denial, energy denial - kinda doesn't work does it? Or just isn't worth it because most foes will die before the denial effect will show.
Seriously - what skills are causing you such problems that you need to invest so much more into making them work as a mesmer?
Btw - I LOVE this part and I felt it needed to be quoted again:
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It's very, very easy to get a large effect on a battle with an Elementalist or Necromancers, it takes considerably more effort and thought to get as similar effect using a Mesmer.
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Especially if we consider that the average player of GW can't reach to the level that is needed to play the mesmer - because by your own words - it's much harder to play then other classes.
So - why risk it with a mesmer if there is a chance that the mesmer player you will get won't be able to stand up the challenge and if you get one that will get it right - they will only be as effective as an ele or necro?
NOW ... if my theory that the mesmer doesn't take much more skill to play then the ele would be true ....
Jennie
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Or to trash the myth that is being kept alive by players who feel that mother nature gave them a too small of a penis:
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Although I don't agree with the people who dislike/think mesmers are not effictive I was enjoying reading the banter back and forth until I start to see useless comments like this.
ETA: on your last post upier: Mesmer does take more work to achieve but the reason I like it is because it is hard... the other professions were very easy.. my mesmer was crap for the longest time until I had a better skill set and ability to play her. I'm proud of her. I dont start a game and try to decide what is the easiest way to go. I love the challenge.... keeps the game interesting.
gloria vander belt
Is there any point to this thread at all or are u admins and mods getting ur jolly's off on another mesmer bashing thread, if this was my forum i would delete this streaming Pile of dog crap u call a thread.
It has been proven Mesmers are elite for shutting down proffessions and with certain builds in PvP and PvE and screw the threads full of oen personall experience watch the damn movies on youtube.com, i did have a thread dedicated to this(you tube videos) but it was deleted and i was warned by a Mod if i posted it again i would be banned.
and whats even more retarded about people claiming mesmers sucking at PvE is that they can solo UnderWorld and Duo Tombs quicker then any other proffession and can put a 55hp monk or necro down quicker then any other proffession, and all u Elementalist fan's need to start ur own Ele worshipping thread, because i couldnt count how many times its been proven a Mesmer will drop an Elementalist in 10 seconds flat, even with the Best Ele build(or so claimed)....Searing Flames Ele, Lmao i seen 3 in AB get beaten by a single Mesmer, and i dont own a mesmer nore have i played one, but man have i studied each proffession countlessly, and as a warrior or Ranger or Necro or Monk or Ele i can honestly say i hate Versing a Mesmer but man i love henchie and hero mesmers.
P.S-The Mesmer best and quickest character for Pre-title "Legendary Defender Of Ascalon"
It has been proven Mesmers are elite for shutting down proffessions and with certain builds in PvP and PvE and screw the threads full of oen personall experience watch the damn movies on youtube.com, i did have a thread dedicated to this(you tube videos) but it was deleted and i was warned by a Mod if i posted it again i would be banned.
and whats even more retarded about people claiming mesmers sucking at PvE is that they can solo UnderWorld and Duo Tombs quicker then any other proffession and can put a 55hp monk or necro down quicker then any other proffession, and all u Elementalist fan's need to start ur own Ele worshipping thread, because i couldnt count how many times its been proven a Mesmer will drop an Elementalist in 10 seconds flat, even with the Best Ele build(or so claimed)....Searing Flames Ele, Lmao i seen 3 in AB get beaten by a single Mesmer, and i dont own a mesmer nore have i played one, but man have i studied each proffession countlessly, and as a warrior or Ranger or Necro or Monk or Ele i can honestly say i hate Versing a Mesmer but man i love henchie and hero mesmers.
P.S-The Mesmer best and quickest character for Pre-title "Legendary Defender Of Ascalon"
gloria vander belt
And 1 thing that really get up my nose from reading is the constant "you only need a Warrior, Monk, Ele and necro" if this is true why the hell do u need a ranger at the last part of fire islands, and why can a Mesmer Shut down Kephket to the point where Kephket can only attack with its wand???
Name any other proffession who can do that to Kephket!!!
Name any other proffession who can do that to Kephket!!!
Shadowfox1125
She wanted to be like Lady Althea, nuff said.