I was victorious with spirits... Shadowsong (anti melee) and Dissonance (interuptor) were essential to my success, i'm certain. The massive damage of Magni was harsh the first time I used this plan, but I added Shelter into the mix (cast it before walking into the arena), and that cut his 350dmg hammer swings into a more manageable 50dmg - well worth it.
I also noticed the NPC healing advantage (for my foes). A pain, to be sure, but clearly I managed to get past it.
Norn Arena is way overpowered.
countesscorpula
Enko
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And finally Norn "bear" which I can't intrupt and airspike only pisses them off... I still have to think and adapt on that one.
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and to Nomme Moon, is 800 gold really that hard for you to come by?
RSGashapon
Spirit spamming used to be FUN, that's why it no longer works. Leave it to Anet to strip away any kind of advantage or enjoyment a player could have.
So what if it was cheap, unimaginative and easy? It was refreshing to win quickly. It felt good. It's still a goldsink, 100g every time you want in. No worse off than DoA or The Deep or FoW in the build department. either. Still using a "cookie cutter" build, just like you have to do in those areas.
But no, the line had to be crossed, quite literally even. Soon as you're across that door's threshold, here come the gank. The so-called casual, average player is going to die, get frustrated, get mad and give up. They're going to loathe the changes to the arena that make it just like every other aspect of the "Elite" areas. Difficult. Aggravating. Unenjoyable.
And you know what that's going to hurt in the long run? ...Sales of Guild Wars 2. ...Prices of yet another minipet.
Not everything has to be elite, super-hard and require either hours of grinding or deep insight into every nuance of every skill. If anything, the one change that would make it fun again is the reduction of the enemy aggro circle. Don't make them charge a player right from the get-go. Sure, let them cast attunements or forms or other passive/defense skills. But the circle... the bubble, doesn't need to be 100' wide. It's an advantage players can't have and an advantage "normal" NPC's shouldn't possess.
(I used 'normal' in regards to type, Magni and the other combatants aren't supernatural creatures, they're not Shiro or the Lich, tainted by a mad god's corruption, they're just humans [or humanoid].)
Put the hard stuff in Hard Mode and let the average players get back to doing this.
So what if it was cheap, unimaginative and easy? It was refreshing to win quickly. It felt good. It's still a goldsink, 100g every time you want in. No worse off than DoA or The Deep or FoW in the build department. either. Still using a "cookie cutter" build, just like you have to do in those areas.
But no, the line had to be crossed, quite literally even. Soon as you're across that door's threshold, here come the gank. The so-called casual, average player is going to die, get frustrated, get mad and give up. They're going to loathe the changes to the arena that make it just like every other aspect of the "Elite" areas. Difficult. Aggravating. Unenjoyable.
And you know what that's going to hurt in the long run? ...Sales of Guild Wars 2. ...Prices of yet another minipet.
Not everything has to be elite, super-hard and require either hours of grinding or deep insight into every nuance of every skill. If anything, the one change that would make it fun again is the reduction of the enemy aggro circle. Don't make them charge a player right from the get-go. Sure, let them cast attunements or forms or other passive/defense skills. But the circle... the bubble, doesn't need to be 100' wide. It's an advantage players can't have and an advantage "normal" NPC's shouldn't possess.
(I used 'normal' in regards to type, Magni and the other combatants aren't supernatural creatures, they're not Shiro or the Lich, tainted by a mad god's corruption, they're just humans [or humanoid].)
Put the hard stuff in Hard Mode and let the average players get back to doing this.
TheRaven
Personally, I had no trouble with the arena, and I'm not a very good solo build player either. Soloing most of the harder areas is beyond my skill level at this stage. So take it from me, this arena is not that difficult. Just keep trying.
Zorgy
"Norn arena is way overpowered" =======> UNTRUE
There is already a thread about how to kill Bison + players giving their build. I gave mine as well = an 100% pure W/either build. Please note that I dont consider myself as a Roxxxor I am a middle-class player.
If you have the ability to equip yourself with 4 weapons its even easier. I keep my AB set of 4 swords + 4 shields.....VS each damage....vs BLUNT damage is the one when fighting Bison.
There is already a thread about how to kill Bison + players giving their build. I gave mine as well = an 100% pure W/either build. Please note that I dont consider myself as a Roxxxor
I am a middle-class player.If you have the ability to equip yourself with 4 weapons its even easier. I keep my AB set of 4 swords + 4 shields.....VS each damage....vs BLUNT damage is the one when fighting Bison.
mafia cyborg
the idea of pve 1vs1 fight is great....the design is poor.
u win more from exploits (usual trappin,spirit spammin) than skill.
and i dont understand why u should pay for entry :/
u win more from exploits (usual trappin,spirit spammin) than skill.
and i dont understand why u should pay for entry :/
FelixCarter
I'm still stuck on Magni the Bison on my Monk. 
I might just end up 55ing him in the end, but I wanna see if I can best him with just my regular build.
I might just end up 55ing him in the end, but I wanna see if I can best him with just my regular build.
odly
If you have trouble with Meloni, just wait till Avatar of Dwayan runs out.
VitisVinifera
any caster: go */rt, and load up with spirits.
warrior: go riposter with grenths
sin, derv, paragon: dunno
ranger: i hear trapping works
edit: in page 2, AP stated it's a bug with the healing. The thing is, you can use it to your advantage, but it's a bit tricky. If you lure your opponent to the *VERY* middle of the ring, they will be out of range of healing. Then if you stand closer to a side, you can get healed yourself.
warrior: go riposter with grenths
sin, derv, paragon: dunno
ranger: i hear trapping works
edit: in page 2, AP stated it's a bug with the healing. The thing is, you can use it to your advantage, but it's a bit tricky. If you lure your opponent to the *VERY* middle of the ring, they will be out of range of healing. Then if you stand closer to a side, you can get healed yourself.
Gli
I made my own build during the preview and it could take down each and every opponent without breaking a sweat. Unfortunately, it's a shutdown/degeneration build and it can't deal with audience members healing for 180 health a pop. (They do heal me as well.) I guess I'll wait for the bugfix before going after Zho.
Miss Persephone
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Its bad enough they cheat & have chants that cant be rended & spectators healing them from the sidelines.... I went thru 15 times all the way to Magni & not once did Zho even spawn. Damn if I didnt have to fight Melonni 10 times though. Why even implement a pet thats a huge pain to get & then put the key guy you need in a arena that cheats & he doesnt even spawn? The 100 gold every time you go to that arena is a joke as well...Like Im not nickled & dimed enough. I might as well set up a few bots so I can afford to play the game anymore.
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It has nothing to do with builds. It has to do with an NPC needed for a quest that doesnt spawn in a bogus arena. Where & Why some of you are posting about what build beats what is beyond me... |
It's supposed to be a rare minipet, not easily obtainable. I had to do the tournament over twenty times for Zho to spawn. Don't suppose you've ever tried to skill cap in Tyria with random boss spawns? Oh, and did I mention, it's a minipet? It's not like it actually DOES anything other than walk around and look cute. So um, why the frustration?
haggus71
Sorry you can't beat the big bear. from the many people on here that have posted builds that have beaten him, and from all the monks I see walking around with Norn apparel on, it has been done.....a LOT. Hell, I was going with a guildie through Sorrow's to finish the Alkar(?) quest, after he took down Zho, TWICE, the previous hour. With a straight warrior. Man up, buttercup.
And complaining about 100g monopoly money? I earn more than that going from EotN to Gunnar's.
And complaining about 100g monopoly money? I earn more than that going from EotN to Gunnar's.
Harmless
The Norn Arena is a fun challenge. I will try a build ...if I lose...adjust it and try again. I don't have a lot of trouble (so far) getting to bison. But it seems that the builds that are good against all the others don't work well against him for me and vice versa. (Ranger primary by the way)Time to /ponder builds.
I'm enjoying it immensely. In fact, in general, I'm finding eye of the north major fun.
I'm enjoying it immensely. In fact, in general, I'm finding eye of the north major fun.
GloryFox
OK... I just ran my "total kill" "any class can use it" "spirit spam" build for the Norn Fighting Tourney and was yet very successful again. Even though they rush you you can still instant kill Bison and the others. You can do this "Insta kill" and have them NOT near any spectator that heals. You have plenty of prep time and things die in 3 seconds or less. It does NOT matter if they rush you or not. It does not matter the class that uses the build, what matters is the all Ritualist skill build, and your offhand Items.
Buzzer
I don't understand people that hide their skillbar...
Mercury Angel
It's probably a standard Spirit Spam bar with Summon Spirits; If you summon all the spirits inside the starting area, you don't draw aggro. From there, you run through the door just enough to start the match, and cast Summon Spirits immediately, bring all the spirits through the door before it closes. Then you kick butt and win.
It's what I've been using, and based on the position of the spirits in the screenshot, I'm pretty sure it's the same deal. Even if all the spirits were cast in the exact same location, after using Summon Spirits, they end up arranged like that.
I'd imagine it's the same generic Pain, Bloodsong, Vampirism, Shadowsong, Agony, Dissonance, Offering of Spirit {E} bar otherwise.
It's what I've been using, and based on the position of the spirits in the screenshot, I'm pretty sure it's the same deal. Even if all the spirits were cast in the exact same location, after using Summon Spirits, they end up arranged like that.
I'd imagine it's the same generic Pain, Bloodsong, Vampirism, Shadowsong, Agony, Dissonance, Offering of Spirit {E} bar otherwise.
Skyy High
The arena itself is fine, a good challenge. It's the healing spectators that royally piss me off sometimes; some battles are just not winnable because you're fighting someone who's continually being healed by players you can't touch.
glountz
Norn tournament is easy. Beaten it countless times with my warrior to finally have Zho to spawn after GWEN release (he didn't give his book in the GWEN event).
Have now an ugly crown and 2 old dwarf beer.
Have now an ugly crown and 2 old dwarf beer.
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It's probably a standard Spirit Spam bar with Summon Spirits; If you summon all the spirits inside the starting area, you don't draw aggro. From there, you run through the door just enough to start the match, and cast Summon Spirits immediately, bring all the spirits through the door before it closes. Then you kick butt and win.
It's what I've been using, and based on the position of the spirits in the screenshot, I'm pretty sure it's the same deal. Even if all the spirits were cast in the exact same location, after using Summon Spirits, they end up arranged like that. I'd imagine it's the same generic Pain, Bloodsong, Vampirism, Shadowsong, Agony, Dissonance, Offering of Spirit {E} bar otherwise. |
BoondockSaint
Sigh... I hate touch rangers lol. Everyone was saying how hard it is with rangers and sins, BTW I did run around until bear form wore off but I think I could have won without it.
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A11Eur0
Fun times.
What's funny is everyone complaining they never fight zho...i fought her three times before even wanting to get the Moa...I didn't even notice the book in my inventory until I fought her a 4th time and looked for the book to drop as I was mistakenly told.
This was a fluke, I was being healed by the spectator. I tried again after that and no go.
What's funny is everyone complaining they never fight zho...i fought her three times before even wanting to get the Moa...I didn't even notice the book in my inventory until I fought her a 4th time and looked for the book to drop as I was mistakenly told.
This was a fluke, I was being healed by the spectator. I tried again after that and no go.
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The arena itself is fine, a good challenge. It's the healing spectators that royally piss me off sometimes; some battles are just not winnable because you're fighting someone who's continually being healed by players you can't touch.
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CHunterX
I'll agree that the spectators healing was a little cheap, but I was still able to beat the arena 6 times to get my Crown on W/Mo. But if they made the arena a tad bit larger, so it wasn't as difficult to pull the casters away from the dwarven, it wouldn't be that big of a problem. Actually, I think that the whole dwarvens healing thing is a bug, but we'll see.
Kook~NBK~
I was playing it with my Mesmer last night and I was able to beat every foe except Bison and Melonni using a Dom/Illusion build with Ursine Blessing as my elite. Some of those opponents are very easy, and now I know I just need to wait until the form/avatar wears off before engaging them!
blue.rellik
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Is this BS a bug? it's getting on my nerves.
I've wasted 800 gold trying to get to Zho. EVERY SINGLE TIME, 8 of 8 tries, the spawn of enemies have been like this: Kisai, Vekk, Cynn, Eve, Mhenlo, Bison it is REALLY getting on my nerves. |
gamecube187
It's really not as hard as everyone is saying, and no, you don't have to use a cookie cutter build to win. This is exactly what many people have been asking for. A solo, 1v1 arena. And I agree that the spectators healing can get somewhat annoying, but that also makes it slightly more interesting.
The only thing that really bugged me with the arena, is that i fought through on my monk about 15 times, and never once did I see Eve, Morghan, or Warmaster Tydus. Then I go and play the arena on my necro, and I see Warmaster Tydus about every other time I enter, Morghan several times, and Eve once. Why do some of them spawn so often my necro, but never on my monk?
I could understand making them spawn slightly less for certain classes, but not to the extreme that it's at now...
The only thing that really bugged me with the arena, is that i fought through on my monk about 15 times, and never once did I see Eve, Morghan, or Warmaster Tydus. Then I go and play the arena on my necro, and I see Warmaster Tydus about every other time I enter, Morghan several times, and Eve once. Why do some of them spawn so often my necro, but never on my monk?
I could understand making them spawn slightly less for certain classes, but not to the extreme that it's at now...
Morgenstern
Yes, people were always complaining that the game was to easy, and ANet needed to add a challenge. Now they have, and they get flammed for it, go figure huh?
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Yes, people were always complaining that the game was to easy, and ANet needed to add a challenge. Now they have, and they get flammed for it, go figure huh?
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Morgenstern
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Soo true. I wonder if it's even possibel to please them
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blue.rellik
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Why I would hate to be a game developer lol. I would just get so angry and give up
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Ben-A-BoO
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OK... I just ran my "total kill" "any class can use it" "spirit spam" build for the Norn Fighting Tourney and was yet very successful again.
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Why would you hide your skill bar in a thread like this?
With a build that is pretty obvious to figure out as well and has been around for a long time, sure not something you can claim as "YOUR TOTAL KILL BUILD" ...
Next time plz don't bother posting and if you just want to stroke your e-go.
Timebandit
nugzta
Norn arena doesnt give 100 Norn points anymore?? And we still have to pay 100g for it unlike polymock and boxing which are free ... /fail
Cebe
Took me 6 tried to get Zho to spawn. I just went through as Rit however and bbqpwnd everyone with spirits. It is channelging for some classes in there....and it can be VERY difficult to find "one build to rule them all" for every class...especially when it comes to Magni...since Magni seems to have the fantastic ability to hit people through Blind AND Whirling Defense...can anybody say "Hax"? I feel the tournament would be made easier for some people if Magni didn't hit for 250 damage, or whatever obscene amount he hits for. Maybe make "Magni's 2-hit-death" more like 5 hits.
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Soo true. I wonder if it's even possibel to please them
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I myself am quite pleased to finally have a challenge, and its also pretty much impossible to get a build that will win you the tournament, its down to luck and skill aswell. Lots of luck tho.
But if you lose to much it gets rather irritating. Victory will taste all the sweeter though, and i think im going to try and turn that healer against them
FelixCarter
Still can't win with a reg Monk build... But don't wanna 'cheat' myself by using a 55. -_-"
I'll tell you what... When I do finally RED ENGINE GO M.Bison's ass, I'mma prance on his face when I'm done.
I'll tell you what... When I do finally RED ENGINE GO M.Bison's ass, I'mma prance on his face when I'm done.
A11Eur0
I tried that beastmaster build again tonight...did rather well but was way too erratic to be worthwhile. Up to Bison, really only Argo gave me a challenge because he just wouldn't focus on my pet rather than me with his cheap stone daggers. Zho got me once because she also bypasses my pet every fkn time.
I think I'll try something else.
I think I'll try something else.
SeraCombi
guys please just use the */Rt spirit spammer build that's been posted in these forums, and the tourney is done...no more frustration...no more questions, no more hundreds and hundreds of gold spent. You can get your pimp crown and be happy and leave the Norn Tourney for good because it no longer offers a challenge.
Even though the foes now attack when the gate rises behind you (an update since the Sneak Peak event), you can still stand in the middle of the gate while its down, put up your spirits, walk forward (now the gate closes behind you), cast painful bond on your foe, ( "You move like a dwarf" for good measure), and the the game is over quickly for every opponent* including Magni.
*I put an asterisk there because Razah uses a very similar spirit spammer build and can be quite a PITA and take some maneuvering and extra time.
NOTE: As an ele I thought that I should beat Magni using ele skills, that somehow as an ele I am obviously superior to all other classes and shouldn't sink to some gimp Rit build in order to win. Several hammerfalls to the side of my face later, I was out capping Wanderlust..LOL!
Even though the foes now attack when the gate rises behind you (an update since the Sneak Peak event), you can still stand in the middle of the gate while its down, put up your spirits, walk forward (now the gate closes behind you), cast painful bond on your foe, ( "You move like a dwarf" for good measure), and the the game is over quickly for every opponent* including Magni.
*I put an asterisk there because Razah uses a very similar spirit spammer build and can be quite a PITA and take some maneuvering and extra time.
NOTE: As an ele I thought that I should beat Magni using ele skills, that somehow as an ele I am obviously superior to all other classes and shouldn't sink to some gimp Rit build in order to win. Several hammerfalls to the side of my face later, I was out capping Wanderlust..LOL!
Croco Clouds
Hey my SF ele build (with mending + Helaing breeze) nearly kill everyone in Norn Tourney except for Bison, I'll check with Protective Spirit
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Still can't win with a reg Monk build... But don't wanna 'cheat' myself by using a 55. -_-"
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Smite 10+1+3
Div favor 10+1
Prot 8+1
Inspi 8
[skill]Mantra of inscriptions[/skill]
[skill]Zealot's fire[/skill]
[skill]Smiter's boon[/skill]
[skill]Protective spirit[/skill]
[skill]Reversal of damage[/skill]
[skill]Castigation signet[/skill]
[skill]Signet of judgment[/skill]
[skill]Signet of mystic wrath[/skill]
Have your 3 enchantments up to boost SoMW damage, interrupt with SignetoJ, gain energy from castigation signet. Stay close to your opponents to hurt them with Zealot's fire. RoD is your main healing source through Smiter's boon.
Protective spirit is mandatory to withstand Bison's damage.
You'll have issues dealing with Master Tydus, and Mhenlo and Alesia, but I killed every of those guys by being cautious (interrupts key skills, like troll unguent or balthazar's spirit mhenlo casts at the beginning, etc...).
billypowergamer
There is an air ele build that works quite well on guildwiki in the discussion about Bison, I replaced the glyph and rend enchants with whirlwind and you move like a dwarf to keep bison on his butt while I renewed my blinding flash. Wasn't too hard at all.