Poison tip signet vs Apply Poison
cr00mz
why would anyone ever use Apply Poison again? (serious question)
BoxOfFox12
Poison Tip only works on the first shot (unless I read the guildwiki description incorrectly), Apply Poison allows poison on any number of shots during the duration of the preparation. Also, if you want to cast the signet again, you have to wait for it to recharge, and then it takes another second to actually cast it. So more micro-ing...
They both have their uses, although the signet does have the advantage in some cases in that it isn't a prep, so you could stack a bunch of conditions onto the first creature you pull, which is always nice (and that doesn't include any other effects that could occur due to spirits, shouts, chants, etc etc blah blah blah)
They both have their uses, although the signet does have the advantage in some cases in that it isn't a prep, so you could stack a bunch of conditions onto the first creature you pull, which is always nice (and that doesn't include any other effects that could occur due to spirits, shouts, chants, etc etc blah blah blah)
Epinephrine
I doubt I'll use Poison Tip Signet except in very odd builds. Apply is so much more flexible. Poison Tip is a one trick pony - you can poison 1 enemy at a time; sure, it stacks with other preps, but I don't actually need that.
I suppose a ganking-type build could use PTS, as you take out one enemy at a time. Most places it'll be better to spread degen though, or to re-apply it every hit.
I suppose a ganking-type build could use PTS, as you take out one enemy at a time. Most places it'll be better to spread degen though, or to re-apply it every hit.
cr00mz
ok then i must have missundersood the skill description, i thought that for you get apply poison that lasts for 60 seconds so you dont have to constantly refresh it
Stormlord Alex
The only time I'd ever run PTS is if there's a prep I'd rather use than Apply.
As it doesn't really look that way, I doubt I'll be using it.
As it doesn't really look that way, I doubt I'll be using it.
Tutis Evito
The condition lasts for 60 secs, but as soon as you fire a shot off PTS ends. Also is no good with barrage as it only poisions the targeted enemy not all barraged enmies
moko
it fit's into inferior builds to make them not so crappy-while-still-being-worse-than-apply-builds.
Evilsod
It might be tempting to use it along with Barbed Arrows and Cripshot in AB, unblockable 7 degen and cripple is always nice and annoying when theres a lack of condition removal around. Might be usable in RA too, but who cares about that.
Its a great skill for the Norn Tourny, not much point poisoning the same target 15 times with Apply...
Its a great skill for the Norn Tourny, not much point poisoning the same target 15 times with Apply...
Lord Feathers
I like using my pet to apply poison or simply use posion arrow if I'm after making things sick. The signet would be a neat addition to the Norn tourney like Evilsod mentioned but I don't think you'll see the skill widely used as a single shot skill that takes up space on the skill bar.
wajj
I spent a little time playing around with a Burning Arrow, Barbed Arrows, Poison Tip Signet build. Worked well in the right situations but could only get off 3 shots applying all 3 conditions (roughly 40 damage from BA + 5 seconds at -14 (-10 effective) degen + 7 seconds -7 degen for around 240 damage total from one arrow -- assumming that conditions weren't removed) before having to renew Barbed Arrows.
Still, although the build was fun to play with and might be useful in the right situation, it was a pain to make sure everything was recharged and "up" before the BA shots. If you miss and fire too soon or too late, you've lost one of your 3 conditions. Can't see using Poison Tip in a regular build over the long run for that reason primarily.
Still, although the build was fun to play with and might be useful in the right situation, it was a pain to make sure everything was recharged and "up" before the BA shots. If you miss and fire too soon or too late, you've lost one of your 3 conditions. Can't see using Poison Tip in a regular build over the long run for that reason primarily.
clarke
Imo PTS would be a nice variation for a broad head build as then you can take rapid fire and have a better chance of interuption while still having the cover condition
pingu666
u could just use feral lunge or screaming shot too. with epidemic 
Orange Milk
The only upside to the Signet I see is that it allows you to have the ability to use RtW with BHA and still have a cover condition.
But, yeah, I see little uses for it as far as a ranger primary goes. Now maybe a Warrior I can see it used since they carry less energy, but doubtful.
But, yeah, I see little uses for it as far as a ranger primary goes. Now maybe a Warrior I can see it used since they carry less energy, but doubtful.
around
BHA is unaffected by RtW or FW.
Tyla
PTA+epedemic/fevered dreams and some other condition(maybe BA,melandrus arrows) there ya go,room for something else
jrk247
I think PTS is nice, sure Apply is constant pressure but if you time it right you can get PTS up (lasts longer than the recharge) and then shoot a BA at a foe and while they are under degen you can use the sig again and shoot them with another PTS+BA. Oh and rapid fire is quite nice on a recurve bow. And with PTS you can add more high energy/spamable skills to your bar.
Danax
Eh, it's alright. I'd only use it in Norn tournament or if I for some reason wanted to bring epidemic.
trankle
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Originally Posted by spawnofebil
BHA is unaffected by RtW or FW.
The arrows you shoot after you've dazed your target are affected, however.
Chrono Re delle Ere
I find PTS very useful. actually I'm using the following build:
Rapid Fire
Poison Tip Signet
Burning Arrow
Screaming Shot
Distracting Shot
Troll Unguent
Natural Stride
Any res skill
This is for pve, but I could try it for some kind of pvp too, and works greatly.
I like PTS way more than apply poison.
Rapid Fire
Poison Tip Signet
Burning Arrow
Screaming Shot
Distracting Shot
Troll Unguent
Natural Stride
Any res skill
This is for pve, but I could try it for some kind of pvp too, and works greatly.
I like PTS way more than apply poison.
iridescentfyre
I tried it for a while alongside Expert Focus in an otherwise-standard crippling shot build. Its kinda awkward to use Poison Tip, but I found that it equates to cheaper Crippling Shot spam... about 4 energy with 13 Expertise (trying to go off memory). I guess in theory its a question of whether I would rather spam crippled or poison more... though in practice I ended up just going back to Apply Poison.
Master Ketsu
Poison tip requires intelligent use to be any good, generally using it before you want to fire your main attack chain but only when its needed. Ive been using it in PvE recently as a "time to spare" skill. Whenever My interrupts are recharging or im caught in a split second moment were im not really doing anything, I would use poison tip .
Ive found it actually works as an e-management alternative to apply. Apply can get costly and will eventually drain you of energy in drawn out fights.
Its true downside that makes it not as good as apply is the cast time. If this was lowered to 1 Sec, Recharge 1 Sec, it would still have the same problem. It needs to be lowered to 1/2 cast at most for it to be considered effective.
Ive found it actually works as an e-management alternative to apply. Apply can get costly and will eventually drain you of energy in drawn out fights.
Its true downside that makes it not as good as apply is the cast time. If this was lowered to 1 Sec, Recharge 1 Sec, it would still have the same problem. It needs to be lowered to 1/2 cast at most for it to be considered effective.
moko
i used it in AB..on my monk, to kill people faster while protecting npcs.
LOL, it worked. ^_____^ got flamed to hell also.
LOL, it worked. ^_____^ got flamed to hell also.
jrk247
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Originally Posted by Master Ketsu
Its true downside that makes it not as good as apply is the cast time. If this was lowered to 1 Sec, Recharge 1 Sec, it would still have the same problem. It needs to be lowered to 1/2 cast at most for it to be considered effective.
Yeah it is a downside, but most sigs have a 1 sec.+ casting time. PTS is good for BA rangers especially if you are focusing on one target, because you can put up PTS and wait for it to recharge then fire a BA then PTS+BA again and a few more hits/interrupts and they're dead. And it allows you to add other preps to your bar.
Evilsod
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Originally Posted by Mokone
i used it in AB..on my monk, to kill people faster while protecting npcs.
LOL, it worked. ^_____^ got flamed to hell also.
Lol, Melandru's Resiliance monk with a twist?
LOL, it worked. ^_____^ got flamed to hell also.
Lol, Melandru's Resiliance monk with a twist?
Vl Vl D
Ive been using poison sig inconjuction with scavengers focus in a ranger/para build for RA.With para skills you can cause a number of condtions
with criticals from "Go for the eyes" chuck in lighting spear and you have some realy high dmg.I tend to use mainly adrenaline based skills so I can lower expertise to up my command attb for a shield and to buff up GOFE for crits.
with criticals from "Go for the eyes" chuck in lighting spear and you have some realy high dmg.I tend to use mainly adrenaline based skills so I can lower expertise to up my command attb for a shield and to buff up GOFE for crits.
moko
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Originally Posted by Evilsod
Lol, Melandru's Resiliance monk with a twist?
lol nah, i use natural stride and zb, mel resiliance isn't so good for AB, but maybe i'll go to RA and solo teams, LOL.
Evilsod
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Originally Posted by Mokone
lol nah, i use natural stride and zb, mel resiliance isn't so good for AB, but maybe i'll go to RA and solo teams, LOL.
The worrying part is... that would probably happen.
The worrying part is... that would probably happen.
Age
I haven't read the skill but from what I can tell is it is not a prep unlike Apply.
~ Dan ~
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I haven't read the skill
So what was the point in posting? 
Niomi Chace
I use the signet often in my builds... some of my builds still require for me to use apply but I prefer the signet for the fast recharge and the ability to still throw in a prep when it is needed
iridescentfyre
It is kind of nice that it requires less Wilderness Survival to have the same duration as Apply Poison; Apply hits 11 seconds of poison at 10 Wilderness, PTS has 11 seconds at a mere 6.
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So what was the point in posting?
Why, grinding forum xp of course! 
Why, grinding forum xp of course! ~ Dan ~
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Originally Posted by iridescentfyre
Why, grinding forum xp of course!
Well, we all love grind
Anyways, personally i prefer Apply as it's easier to spam poison on everyone
Anyways, personally i prefer Apply as it's easier to spam poison on everyone
Diddy bow
Poison tip is ok, if the build allows apply take it. But if you need another prep or energy is a problem then tip sig is great, its just that its compaered to the best source of poison in the game :P.
Darkpower Alchemist
I recently used PTS and find it most useful in places where most things can't be poisoned, but it is still useful,like in The Temple of The Damned, where the enchanted and the ghosts don't get poisoned, but the ghouls and Charr can be.
Places like this make the signet viable while not using a less useful prep to achieve the same goal.
Places like this make the signet viable while not using a less useful prep to achieve the same goal.
Age
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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob
So what was the point in posting?
I didn't finesh my post but anways I would go with apply as with a signet your timing has to be right.
I didn't finesh my post but anways I would go with apply as with a signet your timing has to be right.
Lourens
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Originally Posted by Darkpower Alchemist
I recently used PTS and find it most useful in places where most things can't be poisoned, but it is still useful,like in The Temple of The Damned, where the enchanted and the ghosts don't get poisoned, but the ghouls and Charr can be.
Places like this make the signet viable while not using a less useful prep to achieve the same goal. Thats why the sig is good
annoying to see "This Creature cant be poisoned" annoying beep
Gz
Places like this make the signet viable while not using a less useful prep to achieve the same goal. Thats why the sig is good
annoying to see "This Creature cant be poisoned" annoying beep
Gz
Showtime
I use this all the time in pve. It's a fast way to start degening someone during the middle of a fight. Hit the sig and it activates quickly and is active for like a minute. Also great for that 1st shot. Works with other skills including barrage on the main target only, but still that's extra damage and a condition to contend with. It does use 10 energy, but if you know how to play that isn't a problem. I try to keep 9-10 in expertise and I switch bows for energy or damage.
Try it out and see if it's right for you.
Try it out and see if it's right for you.
Lord Chris Bravo
Where can i get poisen tip skill in PvP? ... it sounds good
EDIT: What kinda damage does it deal?
EDIT: What kinda damage does it deal?
lennymon
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Originally Posted by Lord Chris Bravo
Where can i get poisen tip skill in PvP? ... it sounds good
EDIT: What kinda damage does it deal? You can just unlock it, it's Wilderness Survival, but it's from GWEN so of course you'll need that as well. Works decent with Glass arrows, but every time I've run Glass spike it's been hard to fit things into the skill bar so the PTS is kinda not worth fitting in sometimes. It just adds poison to your next attack, no straight damage.
EDIT: What kinda damage does it deal? You can just unlock it, it's Wilderness Survival, but it's from GWEN so of course you'll need that as well. Works decent with Glass arrows, but every time I've run Glass spike it's been hard to fit things into the skill bar so the PTS is kinda not worth fitting in sometimes. It just adds poison to your next attack, no straight damage.
distilledwill
I guess PTS may be used in the instances where a well coordinated spike would benefit from the use of another prep, eg: GvG, TA, HA, maybe RA. But in AB, where you may be facing an extremely large amount of people, the ability of apply to spread poison about is unrivalled.
It might be good for other professions, i guess.
It might be good for other professions, i guess.