Hero Book and Dungeon Book for Preview Goers broken and more!

thunderai

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02 Sep 2007 at 16:18 - 1
There was a thread last week which talk about the fact that those people who completed dungeons and quests durring the preview week had their progress "removed" from the Hero and Dungeon Book. As much as I think this sucks, I think the problem is a little deeper.

In that same thread the person showed their Hero book which was missing the bottom three quests on the left page (the preview quests). The rest of the book was complete since they had beaten the game. I did the preview weekend and completed the game the other day and I have the following for a hero book: ( you can see pages 3,4, and 5 are missing for no reason what-so-ever)



As you can see I am missing not only the preview weekend quests, but for some reason the other primary quests are also missing. Has anyone else had this problem? I currently Have about 217 Mastery of the North Points so I can garentee to you that I am not making this up. For whatever reason the quests I did complete after the preview weekend are also missing, but other those...

The Dungeon book is similar to anyone else who completed dungeons durring the prevew event, mine looks like this, this morning:



The four dungeons completed durring the pre-view event are missing.

I read on the wiki that supposedly you have to re-enter the dungeon for them to be added back to your list. Does this mean they need to be completed again or just enter them? Also, is ANet working on a solution to add these back into our books since the map shows them as completed?

Feedback would be apprciated. Thanks

MithranArkanere

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02 Sep 2007 at 16:34 - 2
The book is not a quest log. It is completed while you carry it.
You din't had the book in the preview. You have to bring it again.

Jongo River

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02 Sep 2007 at 16:47 - 3
Sorry, but I don't believe that's true. When I got the books, they had stuff recorded that I'd done already that day. I've also left them in storage and they are still updated. The mechanics in the background is almost certainly like a quest log.

KamikazeChicken

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02 Sep 2007 at 17:36 - 4
EDIT: Nevermind. I hadn't talked to anyone in EotN since the preview. :\

Hailfall

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02 Sep 2007 at 17:42 - 5
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Originally Posted by Jongo River
Sorry, but I don't believe that's true. When I got the books, they had stuff recorded that I'd done already that day. I've also left them in storage and they are still updated. The mechanics in the background is almost certainly like a quest log. I put my hero handbook in the storage and it wasn't updated with the quest i did and others had the same issue as well

Esan

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02 Sep 2007 at 17:46 - 6
I wish people would read the wiki a bit more before starting threads.

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Hero's_Handbook#Notes

Read note 1.

freekedoutfish

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02 Sep 2007 at 17:58 - 7
I tried to get a handbook during the preview weekend and the guy wouldnt give me one!

But its a bit stupid to have the NPC who gives you a handbook AFTER certain locations where quests are given and rewards!

You should be given the handbook the minute you start and be made VERY aware of it uses and the reason to have it!

This is a case of badly educating and training the user in how to use the system and Anet needs to deal with that, or people might play through the whole of GWEN and not realise they need a handbook.

Rizwan

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02 Sep 2007 at 18:06 - 8
im beginning to think anet worked very less on this game.
maybe later on we get better results with the book

Jongo River

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02 Sep 2007 at 18:15 - 9
Quote:
Originally Posted by Esan
I wish people would read the wiki a bit more before starting threads.

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Hero's_Handbook#Notes

Read note 1. Ah, that's interesting - explains why I had some stuff entered in a new book. Weird design, though. The only reason I can think of, not to pre-record all progress, is for taking the RPG aspect of the game *very* seriously.

Maybe there should be a "deardiary" emote to use in that 3 minute time at the end of dungeons (player sits and writes in their book).

Chthon

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02 Sep 2007 at 18:29 - 10
Handbook is working fine.
The bug you should be concerned about is the fact that preview players can't get the PvE skill rewards that were added to one-shot quests they've already completed.

thunderai

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02 Sep 2007 at 19:47 - 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chthon
Handbook is working fine.
The bug you should be concerned about is the fact that preview players can't get the PvE skill rewards that were added to one-shot quests they've already completed. I actually could care less about the missing PvE skills. What I find troubling is that the book requires that I redo part of the campaign even though I obvously completed it.

Reguardless of what the wiki says, a). its not on the offical wiki, b). Its a wiki not a manual, and c). It is irrelevent that the wiki says I am f#$%$ when I should have never been f#$%$ in the first place. The game should be smart enough to complete entries i've completed no matter if i had the book at teh time or not. Do you seriously think, I could not have written down in the book what I did before I got the book.

theblackmage

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02 Sep 2007 at 20:04 - 12
Why are people trying to get this "fixed" to have all main quests that were EVER completed put in the book? There is a VERY good reason that it works the way it does: if it was always filled up as long as you had completed all the primary quests, then all you would need to do is talk to the NPCs handing out the books, BOOM insta-fill, turn it in and you get a free 2500 reputation points. Rinse, repeat.

Besides, are the missing quests really that hard to redo? The only thing that I can see as possibly justify-able to have filled in free-ish ONCE (assuming that you did it during the preview) is Frostmaw's Burrows, for difficulty reasons. And even then, what's the big deal? If you could do it once, you can do it again.

On a side note, there would probably be a bit less whining about redoing these quests if the repeatable ones still had reputation rewards, even if a bit lowered from the preview. *nudge* *nudge*

EDIT: Also, to those that think that filling the book out is required to finish the main quest: It's not. It's just a slightly less grind-ish way to get rep.

Esan

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02 Sep 2007 at 20:54 - 13
Quote:
Originally Posted by thunderai
Reguardless of what the wiki says, a). its not on the offical wiki, b). Its a wiki not a manual, and c). It is irrelevent that the wiki says I am f#$%$ when I should have never been f#$%$ in the first place. The game should be smart enough to complete entries i've completed no matter if i had the book at teh time or not. Do you seriously think, I could not have written down in the book what I did before I got the book.
A) The official wiki is written by players, just as the unofficial one. The only thing that the official wiki has that GuildWiki will never have is the ear of Gaile, Izzy, and the rest.

B) The official wiki is objectively worse than GuildWiki in terms of pure information content. Go look up the Great Destroyer in both. Do it!

C) You misunderstand the basic point of Handbooks. They are not a record of what you have done; rather, they are a record of what you have recorded. Not a hard concept. After you fill up a book, you hand it in for reputation points and get a new blank book. You are not supposed to then cry that the new blank book isn't all filled up because you "already did everything".

thunderai

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02 Sep 2007 at 21:25 - 14
Quote:
Originally Posted by Esan
A) The official wiki is written by players, just as the unofficial one. The only thing that the official wiki has that GuildWiki will never have is the ear of Gaile, Izzy, and the rest.

B) The official wiki is objectively worse than GuildWiki in terms of pure information content. Go look up the Great Destroyer in both. Do it!

C) You misunderstand the basic point of Handbooks. They are not a record of what you have done; rather, they are a record of what you have recorded. Not a hard concept. After you fill up a book, you hand it in for reputation points and get a new blank book. You are not supposed to then cry that the new blank book isn't all filled up because you "already did everything". There is no question that the guildwiki has better content, that is besides the point. I do understand the flaw from which I am asking; however, I do think that to hold people who paid for the preview to somesort of expectation that they do not get credit for something which they completed silly. Yes we didn't have a book to recored it, but i think there is a flaw with the book if we can not get credit for the quests we did even before we got the book the first time.

Yes, getting the book the second time presents a lot of problems, but for the first exchange I think it is fair that we get credit for those events we did even if there was no book to record it in... But thats just me.

CyberMesh0

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02 Sep 2007 at 21:50 - 15
If you understand what the book's purpose is, then this whole thread topic should be irrelevant.

thunderai

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02 Sep 2007 at 22:09 - 16
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Originally Posted by CyberMesh0
If you understand what the book's purpose is, then this whole thread topic should be irrelevant. From what I can tell the books purpose is to tell about the things you have done, correct? I have done things which by no fault of my own are not recorded in the book. I would call that a problem. The fact is that as people who did the preview weekend we had ths ability to PAY for an event and then do the quests that lead to the story being completed. Those events that we did are not recorded.

Please tell me why the events we completed are not recorded even though it would be more than possible to complete the entry that we did complete it in the book. Do our toons have no memory what so ever. Or better yet, the MAP recognizes that we completed those quests and dungeons. IF the map knows we did it, there is no excuse as to why our FIRST book can't rememebr what we did before the book was avilable. Or before we purchased it.

I have yet to see an argument for why it should not know we did it. Using the fact that a second book can be purchased is silly. From where I stand, the very idea that you can repeatidly make new books over and over again is stupid. Even with a second book, it knows unrepeatable quests automatically, why cant the first book know what we did before we baught it.

In any case, whatever.

CyberMesh0

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02 Sep 2007 at 22:21 - 17
You can turn completed books in to one of 4 npc's, one for each race. it counts for 2500 points, then you can get another one and fill it again, by redoing everything, for another 2500. rinse, repeat.

thunderai

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02 Sep 2007 at 22:27 - 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by CyberMesh0
You can turn completed books in to one of 4 npc's, one for each race. it counts for 2500 points, then you can get another one and fill it again, by redoing everything, for another 2500. rinse, repeat. Yes I understand that part; however, I disagree with that being a good idea. Thats subjective but I do not feel that repeating the process four times is really making you select anything. Obvously people have the choice to repeat the process or not, and if that was the only 'problem' i would have no problem at all.

I guess my problem comes from the fact I do not want to repeat the stuff I already did because some book (which I really want to complete), does not recognize that I did the stuff a week ago. I would take that experience and not do anotehr pre-view week, but i probably wont have to worry about that.

CyberMesh0

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02 Sep 2007 at 22:34 - 19
I see it as a nice passive way to get a decent point bonus- there are only 11 missions in the hero book (once you get another one), and completing them again is a nice way to get points in and of itself- and, it takes a little stress off of the "grind the same thing over and over again" mentality, while still being useful.

thunderai

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02 Sep 2007 at 22:37 - 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by CyberMesh0
I see it as a nice passive way to get a decent point bonus- there are only 11 missions in the hero book (once you get another one), and completing them again is a nice way to get points in and of itself- and, it takes a little stress off of the "grind the same thing over and over again" mentality, while still being useful. That is a good way to look at it, unfortunitly I am too soure about it to think of it that way. Perhaps in time.

dwchang

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02 Sep 2007 at 23:29 - 21
Why are some folks mad at us "whining?"

If the guidebook and dungeon book were updated with the Preview activities, that would save players a good seven or eight hours of gameplay. I for one completed all four dungeons and wish I didn't have to redo them.

Frostmaw in particular takes quite a bit of time.

Most people are upset because they already invested the time and are now told to do it again. I don't see why that's a problem.