Lockpicks in NM not functioning?
qwe4rty
Just wondering if anyone else has noticed this. Going through GW:EN, I used 5 lockpicks on chests that said I had a 40% chance to retain the pick. After 5 attempts, and not one remained fixed, I'm wondering if the coding is a little bit messed up. The chance that this could happen is about 7% (.6*.6*.6*.6*.6), but before I go and use anymore, I want to know if its just a really bad string of luck, or if anyone else has encountered this problem.
Pkest
I've successfully retained several in Gw:en areas. Just luck of the draw. Losing 5 of 5 is not statistically significant.
??Ripskin
Out of the 20 lock picks I've bought, I have opened maybe 30 chests.
And all of them were purple.
Come on now...
And all of them were purple.
Come on now...
Antheus
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It's not 0.0%.
These are independent experiments. You can have an infinite number of them, even if the chance for that is small.
And yes, this is known as string of bad luck. Nobody would think twice if they used the same lock-pick 5 times in a row.
Dingo Dave
How about this for luck - in one run I used it 5 times successfully and got 3 golds!
MYSTERYouse
I got about 60 LP starting at sneak peak weekend and was able to raise my TH title from 1167 to 1256 and I still have 4 lockpicks in my inv.
BTW. My retention rate is 60%
And I got a lot of gold items ... some of them are crap, but found some *gems* too...
BTW. My retention rate is 60%
And I got a lot of gold items ... some of them are crap, but found some *gems* too...
Malice Black
My stats
50 picks - 50 chests - kept 10 - 50 purples
50 chests 50 purples is beyond bad luck.
Fix it.
50 picks - 50 chests - kept 10 - 50 purples
50 chests 50 purples is beyond bad luck.
Fix it.
wilderness
Over the last three days:
I've opened around 50-60k chests while clearing asura areas, out of those I've had around 25 gold drops.
I started with 12 lockpicks, bought 10 and now I have 3.
I've opened around 50-60k chests while clearing asura areas, out of those I've had around 25 gold drops.
I started with 12 lockpicks, bought 10 and now I have 3.
heavyduty
I noticed using lockpicks (120k now) in gw:en resulted in mainly purples and retaining the picks is very bad compared to experiences in the other chapters. My friend and I were wondering if anet messed up the ratios.
Commander Ryker
All I've gotten from chests in gw:en have been purple. I'm not opening any more.
Taki
My brother thought the lockpicks were bugged for another reason. He managed to retain the same lockpick 5 times at the default probability, whatever that is without any of the titles that increase it. 10%? 20%? Don't know if he got anything worthwhile from the chests though.
qwe4rty
Yeah, I've taken statistics and realize that 7% isn't significant, but such a string of bad luck is at least some indication that the trend may follow. Was just wondering if other people had noticed this too so I could save my money.
heavyduty
I forgot to add, I opened more gold items and success at retaining the lockpick during the preview event. In the same areas as before, it went strangely downhill. It's almost as if an antifarm code was put into the chests as more and more people open them in certain areas.
lacasner
This isn't only GWEN chests..I've opened quite a few margonite and "ice floe" chests (roughly 40-50 in each area) and gotten a vast majority of purples (46% retention rate). Something is messed up.
blackknight1337
Here's what I've seen from day one on my monk, who is my chestrunner. Running normal mode chests, I seem to get streaks of purples and golds, more streaks of purples then golds of course. Sometimes I might get 3 golds in a row, streaks of 5-10 purples are very common these days, especially in tyria. Retention rate since Gw:en came out has been ridiculously horrible, I retain maybe 20% and I have 51% retain rate....
Personally I think that the lockpick retention is bugged, in both modes, for the last 2-3 weeks. The retention rate for me is about 1/4 to 1/2 of what it should be in both modes, and the purple rate lately is astounding. I won't even get into why purples even drop out of HM chests, thats another topic for another thread.
But I think based on what I've seen and what I've seen a lot of other people saying, lockpick retention should get some attention cause it ain't working right.
Personally I think that the lockpick retention is bugged, in both modes, for the last 2-3 weeks. The retention rate for me is about 1/4 to 1/2 of what it should be in both modes, and the purple rate lately is astounding. I won't even get into why purples even drop out of HM chests, thats another topic for another thread.
But I think based on what I've seen and what I've seen a lot of other people saying, lockpick retention should get some attention cause it ain't working right.
ne33us
Just a question/thought
Could it be that high XP characters get mostly crap items/rewards ??
I had to ask that because using my warrior (main character, titles and stuff), who is a 6.5M XP character, I mostly get crap items opening chests with him.
With my other characters I mostly get golden items while opening chests.
I haven't done a statistical analysis on that but ... i feel my warrior is a jinx if nothing else is wrong.
I even stopped doing chests runs with my warrior because the "treasure" in the "Adept Treasure Hunter" title seemed rediculous while getting all those purple items.
Could it be that high XP characters get mostly crap items/rewards ??
I had to ask that because using my warrior (main character, titles and stuff), who is a 6.5M XP character, I mostly get crap items opening chests with him.
With my other characters I mostly get golden items while opening chests.
I haven't done a statistical analysis on that but ... i feel my warrior is a jinx if nothing else is wrong.
I even stopped doing chests runs with my warrior because the "treasure" in the "Adept Treasure Hunter" title seemed rediculous while getting all those purple items.
Antheus
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Just a question/thought Could it be that high XP characters get mostly crap items/rewards ?? |
I have hard time finding anything maxed out, let alone purple, gold is an even to celebrate. Chests are the same.
Buzzer
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Originally Posted by lacasner
This isn't only GWEN chests..I've opened quite a few margonite and "ice floe" chests (roughly 40-50 in each area) and gotten a vast majority of purples (46% retention rate). Something is messed up.
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wolfwing
I don't know I find you get worse drops in hard mode...gee a book that allows me to learn any monknon elite skill I've unlocked...wait...I can just go buy it from any vendor WOW!
wolfwing
I think the issue here is that anywhere else lockpicks are an optional key that you can retain, in GWEN there is no choice, so the drops should be a bit more equal to the price, most of the drops you find in GW:EN chests for 1.5k lockpicks are the same ones you would find in a 600 key chest. 2.5*'s the price but no better drops.
dont feel no pain
so far no gold drops from chests in gwen =[ (around 15 chests, if its going bad i take it slow lol)
Thunder79
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Originally Posted by wolfwing
I think the issue here is that anywhere else lockpicks are an optional key that you can retain, in GWEN there is no choice, so the drops should be a bit more equal to the price, most of the drops you find in GW:EN chests for 1.5k lockpicks are the same ones you would find in a 600 key chest. 2.5*'s the price but no better drops.
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Jongo River
What strikes me as really weird, ATM, is that on the 2 occassions I've opened chests *outside* of GW:EN, the gold drop rate has seemed really high.
A day before the GW:EN launch, I took my ranger (the same character I'm using in GW:EN) to Perdition Rock to pick up Volcanic rocks. I opened 5 chests along the way and 3 gave up gold.
Yesterday I took my monk through the Nahpui Quarter mission and opened a few canthan chests - 3 gold/one purple. An R9 celestial axe even dropped in a fight (unfortunately not quite max damage).
Yet drops in GW:EN are very so-so. I open almost every chest I encounter and barely receive enough gold to keep me interested. I really hope they buff the drops a bit, or maybe consider a triple weekend, before I run out of cash.
A day before the GW:EN launch, I took my ranger (the same character I'm using in GW:EN) to Perdition Rock to pick up Volcanic rocks. I opened 5 chests along the way and 3 gave up gold.
Yesterday I took my monk through the Nahpui Quarter mission and opened a few canthan chests - 3 gold/one purple. An R9 celestial axe even dropped in a fight (unfortunately not quite max damage).
Yet drops in GW:EN are very so-so. I open almost every chest I encounter and barely receive enough gold to keep me interested. I really hope they buff the drops a bit, or maybe consider a triple weekend, before I run out of cash.
Patrick Smit
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Originally Posted by qwe4rty
Yeah, I've taken statistics and realize that 7% isn't significant, but such a string of bad luck is at least some indication that the trend may follow. Was just wondering if other people had noticed this too so I could save my money.
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Jongo River
When we all know it's the dolphins - bottled-nosed bastards!
Spax
I went throught the the Cathedral of Flames last night doing the Temple of the Damned mission.
I think Gron Fierceclaws intel on the "Ascalonian Treasure" is totaly incorrect, every chest I opened contained a purple weapon worth around 150 gold and didn't retain a single pick. The gold i recieved from selling the whites and dropped gold didn't total more than the cost of another two lock picks!
Temple of the Damned seems to be a well deserved name
I think Gron Fierceclaws intel on the "Ascalonian Treasure" is totaly incorrect, every chest I opened contained a purple weapon worth around 150 gold and didn't retain a single pick. The gold i recieved from selling the whites and dropped gold didn't total more than the cost of another two lock picks!
Temple of the Damned seems to be a well deserved name
Phaern Majes
Sounds like you're falling for the gambler's fallacy...each chance is independent of all the rest. I know that it seems highly unlikely that you'll fail 5, 10, 20.....even 100 times in a row, but technically it is possible.
More on topic I have about a 47% or some such chance and on average I save about 1 out of every 3 lockpicks I use in then EotN area's.
More on topic I have about a 47% or some such chance and on average I save about 1 out of every 3 lockpicks I use in then EotN area's.
Darkfoxx
Question:
Since there are only locked chests in GW:EN, why do lockpicks not drop anywhere in GW:EN?
Anyone else think this sucks? Kind of unfair if you ask me...
Since there are only locked chests in GW:EN, why do lockpicks not drop anywhere in GW:EN?
Anyone else think this sucks? Kind of unfair if you ask me...
Epinephrine
Gave it a trial run and came very close to my listed percentage. Was a bit worried when it started with 6 losses in a row, but later I got 4 retains in a row. Averaged about 40%, should have 43%, but given sample size that's pretty good.
Artkin
61% chance here....most purple and lost...oh well its only FAKE cash
Detis Zan
It's not the fact that their not functioning it's the fact it's in normal mode.
I've had crappy luck but honestly we're paying for lockpicks (1.5k each) that have a chance to break (60% on default). For normal mode items... purples with bad skins on them.
They should replace those chests with regular chests with specific keys to them and have Hard Mode with the lockpick chests with better loot.
I've had crappy luck but honestly we're paying for lockpicks (1.5k each) that have a chance to break (60% on default). For normal mode items... purples with bad skins on them.
They should replace those chests with regular chests with specific keys to them and have Hard Mode with the lockpick chests with better loot.
Anduin
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Originally Posted by Darkfoxx
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Since there are only locked chests in GW:EN, why do lockpicks not drop anywhere in GW:EN? Anyone else think this sucks? Kind of unfair if you ask me... |
I have a 58% retention rate, and break 3 out 5 on average. That's with 100 lockpicks so far. This is in Eye of the North. My retention rate seemed to me to work much better in Factions.
Maybe I have bad luck that lasts forever and ever, because I haven't been able to shake it yet.
super strokey
I have times when its really bad and other times its really good. Like one time i have 10 lockpicks and opened up 8 chest and only lost 2 so thats pretty good. I got a few golds there two so i wasnt complaining. Other times ill open 10 chests lose all my picks and get all grapes too, its just the way it goes.
super strokey
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Originally Posted by Detis Zan
It's not the fact that their not functioning it's the fact it's in normal mode.
I've had crappy luck but honestly we're paying for lockpicks (1.5k each) that have a chance to break (60% on default). For normal mode items... purples with bad skins on them. They should replace those chests with regular chests with specific keys to them and have Hard Mode with the lockpick chests with better loot. |
Avatar Of Virtue
Just last week I bought 25 lockpicks. At a 44% retention rate, I broke 14 in a row, on the fifteenth I retained, now here is where it gets stupid...the fifteenth I retained for three chests, then broke five more in a row. 20 lockpicks down, all 23 drops were purples. My brothers witnessed it. I have a calculated retention rate of 6.666 (repeating of course) percent. I have a gold drop percentage of 1/21...or 4.5%. This is only my opinion, but it's broken, like my lockpicks.
MikeV
Maybe you should stop opening chests.
MirkoTeran
Not all this crap again... can someone please close this and put a link to one of the other 100 posts about same thing.
Croco Clouds
I am not opening GW:EN chest, i hate grapes. So i sold all lockpicks in kamadan
Davros Uitar
Nothing broken - working teh same it always has. I used lockpicks for the last 6500 chest for the title. They worked fine and they always did. You get runs of about 14 successes and the worst run of failures U had is 21. Grapes are very comon in EOTN normal mode, but you can get similar poor runs in Ice Floe and Mirror of Lyss. There is a high number of chests avialable in the snowman dungeon pertime it takes, but with the monsters being low level I find this area has more than its share of grapes.
Basic message - everyone gets a run where they feel persecuted by bad luck and think things are broken. Its a VICTIM syndrome - get over it, it's not the game
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Basic message - everyone gets a run where they feel persecuted by bad luck and think things are broken. Its a VICTIM syndrome - get over it, it's not the game
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Turbobusa
If you want to do statistics, do them from r2 to r3 (for example), compare with rentention rate, do it again with r3 to r4, compare.