MY VOTE IS ..............2
This petition is about the access to some of the benefits in GWEN and specifically crafter and collectors armour. There may also be other things. I hated factions because of the faction farming requirement before you could move on in the story. I love guild wars, have six accounts, over 40 toons and 22 level 20s. Three of the accounts have all campaigns, BUT ONLY ONE HAS GWEN. Im not afraid of working to get some benefits but that requirement in factions turned me off so much I only took two guys past that area. I would like the ability to access armour and the glossy things in GWEN on my toons but I dont want to have to REPEATEDLY grinding and kill an area again and again , and then again and again on the next profession. This is a knock at GWEN as a whole just at this specific area. I will not upgrade any other accounts while it is in this format.
IMHO they have made GWEN worse than Factions in this regard and there are several forums for and against the grinding they build in to benefits in GWEN.
I would like you to register your view, place a vote on these requirements. My intention here is not aimed at the person who takes one toon through , does all the work and gets everything, its aimed at preventing having to do it on all the others or making it simpler on your account as a reward for the first guy having done it.
I think it can be improved by:
Scaling requirements, first toon 100 Glacial stones, second 50 , third 25 , rest 10 or something similar.
First toon this much reputation, second this , third that, OR
Increase rewards per toon on account completing quests (eg> First toon 1000 points, second 2000 , third 3000 etc) or something similar. (heck I have 16 on one account, can you imagine doing this over and over again 16 times just to have access to armour if I wanted it.
Reasons:
More players would take more professions through to give let them have ability to access certain rewards.
More professions going through again , means more players in towns, = more interest and opportunities to group,
More players taking multiple professions through = increased knowledge of quests = improved groups.
More incentive for players to take other professions through.
Warnings
Any system implemented should in some way prevent profiteering and the scaling simply be designed as an incentive to go through again on another character. (not to get something for less to sell for more to those on first time through - in other words it should only benefit them.
Implementation
(on the surface) Cant be that hard, programming relating to toon on the account, allows other toons on account to do certain things
The Vote:
1. I would like to see something changed for both reputation and collector rewards even for the first toon.
2. I would like to see something changed for both reputation and collector rewards for those AFTER my first toon
3. I dont think there should be anything changed
4. Other:
PETITION - Access to Armour and other things in GWEN
camulus
haasdt
I vote 4. Grind away if you want the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow for each toon.
Sujoy
If you want an armor, you work for it, if you don't want to work for that armor, you can't have it. Seems fair to me.
plasmasword
I did half the dungeons and a few asura quests and I got rank 5 dwarf/asura titles...
Twitch1977
I also vote 4, while I do have a lot of issues with eotn and I think it was a very poor 'expansion' this isn't one of them.
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Frostnova
I would vote 1. it would be nice if they made it like r2 r3 and r4 instead of r3 r4 and r5. r4 is very reachable for a casual player doing all the quests and getting hunting party rewards as the story goes on but r5 takes more grinding IMO
Loviatar
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Originally Posted by camulus
My view is that the grind to obtain access to crafters is fine HOWEVER, for my second - 20th character (cos I have 20) its pain in butt to even consider grinding them getting access to areas. Same reason I stopped playing factions after grinding two through the requirement to get faction to move on.
For me I DO NOT AND WILL NOT grind all my guys through but I would like to play some through and some would look good in some armour etc etc, and would like that opportunity .
then just play the ones you want through the game without getting them the elite armor and that problem is solved.
only grind the few you want the new elite armor on and your problem is solved.
NO CHANGE NEEDED SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU CHOSE TO MAKE 20 CHARACTERS
Cathode_Reborn
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Originally Posted by Sujoy
If you want an armor, you work for it, if you don't want to work for that armor, you can't have it. Seems fair to me.
I got my armor but I didn't work or put any effort into it.
I just let my henches/heroes do all the grind and boring work for me. Fair? Seems pretty stupid if you ask me. People really need to stop with that "work for your armor" argument cause there's absolutely no work or effort involved when you're grinding for it.
I just let my henches/heroes do all the grind and boring work for me. Fair? Seems pretty stupid if you ask me. People really need to stop with that "work for your armor" argument cause there's absolutely no work or effort involved when you're grinding for it.
Kyosuke
#4
If you really want it that bad you'll do the whole grind thing.
It's ridiculous to expect Anet to change something like that because people are lazy.
It's a game. If you enjoy the game and want to play it, then do so. Plus you never know what you might farm while grinding
If you really want it that bad you'll do the whole grind thing.
It's ridiculous to expect Anet to change something like that because people are lazy.
It's a game. If you enjoy the game and want to play it, then do so. Plus you never know what you might farm while grinding
JeniM
My vote has to be #5
Other : Stop being lazy
Other : Stop being lazy
Sujoy
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Originally Posted by Cathode_Reborn
I got my armor but I didn't work or put any effort into it.
I just let my henches/heroes do all the grind and boring work for me. Fair? Seems pretty stupid if you ask me. People really need to stop with that "work for your armor" argument cause there's absolutely no work or effort involved when you're grinding for it. Hey you bored yourself by doing c+space, you could've made a party with friends or guildies and gone hunting or questing, but you chose the boring way.
It's fair, you put in the same time as anybody else, except you were just boring yourself to death in the same time, that's your problem, that's whats stupid.
I just let my henches/heroes do all the grind and boring work for me. Fair? Seems pretty stupid if you ask me. People really need to stop with that "work for your armor" argument cause there's absolutely no work or effort involved when you're grinding for it. Hey you bored yourself by doing c+space, you could've made a party with friends or guildies and gone hunting or questing, but you chose the boring way.
It's fair, you put in the same time as anybody else, except you were just boring yourself to death in the same time, that's your problem, that's whats stupid.
MorpheusDV
No one's forcing you to buy the armor.
Most of the armor is not good looking, save a few sets, but if you really want the armor, then get off your dead ass and go farm the points.
Why does everyone that whines think they should be given everything to them on a silver platter? I bet if they gave you the armor right there and then, people would still whine.
Besides, this gives you a chance to explore the game a little, and see what secrets EOTN holds.
Most of the armor is not good looking, save a few sets, but if you really want the armor, then get off your dead ass and go farm the points.
Why does everyone that whines think they should be given everything to them on a silver platter? I bet if they gave you the armor right there and then, people would still whine.
Besides, this gives you a chance to explore the game a little, and see what secrets EOTN holds.
Alex Morningstar
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Originally Posted by JeniM
My vote has to be #5
Other : Stop being lazy Quoted for truth. This armor is not required. Anet gave you the stakes to get them, either go do what is required to get and them enjoy them, or do something else. Quit expecting shit to be handed to you on a silver platter with "omg, i'm so sorry we made the game too hard for you."
If you don't like it, /ragequit. You already paid $40 for it. Ragequitting is the obvious answer when you can't get someone to play the game for you.
Other : Stop being lazy Quoted for truth. This armor is not required. Anet gave you the stakes to get them, either go do what is required to get and them enjoy them, or do something else. Quit expecting shit to be handed to you on a silver platter with "omg, i'm so sorry we made the game too hard for you."
If you don't like it, /ragequit. You already paid $40 for it. Ragequitting is the obvious answer when you can't get someone to play the game for you.
darkknightkain
5. Simply make it ACCOUNT-based like Factions.
In Factions, 10k Kurzick/Luxon Faction is all you need, and it is good for everyone in the account.
- You can do it once on one character, and all others can get a direct pass, or
- You can spread it out to 8 characters (1 per each profession), and each only need to contribute their share of 1.25 k each.
It's only Nightfall which introduced this dreadfully boring per-character-based bounty grinds and Gwen just make this bad system even worse.
In Factions, 10k Kurzick/Luxon Faction is all you need, and it is good for everyone in the account.
- You can do it once on one character, and all others can get a direct pass, or
- You can spread it out to 8 characters (1 per each profession), and each only need to contribute their share of 1.25 k each.
It's only Nightfall which introduced this dreadfully boring per-character-based bounty grinds and Gwen just make this bad system even worse.
camulus
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Originally Posted by Cathode_Reborn
I got my armor but I didn't work or put any effort into it.
I just let my henches/heroes do all the grind and boring work for me. Fair? Seems pretty stupid if you ask me. People really need to stop with that "work for your armor" argument cause there's absolutely no work or effort involved when you're grinding for it. Yeah, I figured that out and if it stays this way that sexactly what i will do , watch tv, set the henchies, let them kill them and do it again.
Nice to see responses already , obviously some are missing the point though, but then they are entitled to their opinions
I just let my henches/heroes do all the grind and boring work for me. Fair? Seems pretty stupid if you ask me. People really need to stop with that "work for your armor" argument cause there's absolutely no work or effort involved when you're grinding for it. Yeah, I figured that out and if it stays this way that sexactly what i will do , watch tv, set the henchies, let them kill them and do it again.
Nice to see responses already , obviously some are missing the point though, but then they are entitled to their opinions
camulus
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Originally Posted by JeniM
My vote has to be #5
Other : Stop being lazy
The first part of my post was to indicate that I am not lazy. Hate to say the hours played but it equates to a lot, over the last two years.
This is not about laziness its about unneeded repetition.
It took a lot to build what I have and have reasons for doing it and there is nothing about laziness in doing so , other than only fact I got so many is Im too lazy to change the complete build for other areas, armour, runes, etc etc, and prefer to make another two or three guys so I can switch faster
(nothing lazy in ascending and working the other guys through )
Other : Stop being lazy
The first part of my post was to indicate that I am not lazy. Hate to say the hours played but it equates to a lot, over the last two years.
This is not about laziness its about unneeded repetition.
It took a lot to build what I have and have reasons for doing it and there is nothing about laziness in doing so , other than only fact I got so many is Im too lazy to change the complete build for other areas, armour, runes, etc etc, and prefer to make another two or three guys so I can switch faster
(nothing lazy in ascending and working the other guys through )
Brigit Kildare
well i think GWEN is supposed to keep us busy till GW2 comes out. so 3 work for it . Brigit
kratimas
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Originally Posted by MorpheusDV
No one's forcing you to buy the armor.
then get off your dead ass and go farm the points.
Wouldn't he need to be on his ass, in front of his computer to get the armor instead of getting off of it?
Krat
Oh and I vote #3
then get off your dead ass and go farm the points.
Wouldn't he need to be on his ass, in front of his computer to get the armor instead of getting off of it?
Krat
Oh and I vote #3
Komradkyle
I have no problem with the armor in GWEN. I just wish there was like a full set of chaos wear, destoyer armor etc
Lykan
people really need to do a bit of research before making petitions here. Just because you don't like something, it doesnt automatically mean no one else does either.
Do your research next time, as you just end up looking stupid, like now.
Do your research next time, as you just end up looking stupid, like now.
genofreek
Do we seriously need ANOTHER thread on this?
It's prestigious for a reason. You have to WORK for it. If they made it into one uber quest or just gave the armor more expensible, people would just pay runners and ebay the items.
It's prestigious for a reason. You have to WORK for it. If they made it into one uber quest or just gave the armor more expensible, people would just pay runners and ebay the items.
pingu666
how about completing the game unlocks armour/other npc for that chacater/account?
you DID just save the world after all.
partial sharing of alegiance title tracks would be good too, maybe 10% of your points earned on any chacater is shared across the account. how do the omg grind ffs people feel about the max listed on the wiki's (110,00 or 200,000) per faction.
these title grinds are stupid, and against what attracted me, and many others to gw
you DID just save the world after all.
partial sharing of alegiance title tracks would be good too, maybe 10% of your points earned on any chacater is shared across the account. how do the omg grind ffs people feel about the max listed on the wiki's (110,00 or 200,000) per faction.
these title grinds are stupid, and against what attracted me, and many others to gw
Silas Verdeii
well, i know there's a lot of different opinions n all but i thought i'd throw mine in so that A-net knows what i'm thinking.
truth be told, grind is annoying. In looking at what i will have to do to get my characters loaded up with the awesome new armor as well as the completely amazing armor for the heroes i know it'll be a while before i get any of it.
that being said the purpose of this expansion is different from the campaigns and therefore a comparison is rather silly. true this would take a lot of dedication and commitment to reap all the benefits but that's what the expansion was for. for all those players who have done all they can on the other chapters, here's something to further challenge you(if only in time commitment) so that you can show your dedication.
also, it's serving as a crossover to GW2. frankly if i have to grind a little bit now(or just work at it slowly so i still have stuff to do between now and GW2 release) in order to get myself all set for an awesome start with my(new) character in the next game, well that's a goal that's both worth working for and spending some time at.
besides, it's just a game :P (sorry couldn't resist)
truth be told, grind is annoying. In looking at what i will have to do to get my characters loaded up with the awesome new armor as well as the completely amazing armor for the heroes i know it'll be a while before i get any of it.
that being said the purpose of this expansion is different from the campaigns and therefore a comparison is rather silly. true this would take a lot of dedication and commitment to reap all the benefits but that's what the expansion was for. for all those players who have done all they can on the other chapters, here's something to further challenge you(if only in time commitment) so that you can show your dedication.
also, it's serving as a crossover to GW2. frankly if i have to grind a little bit now(or just work at it slowly so i still have stuff to do between now and GW2 release) in order to get myself all set for an awesome start with my(new) character in the next game, well that's a goal that's both worth working for and spending some time at.
besides, it's just a game :P (sorry couldn't resist)
camulus
The grinders missed the point about having to do it again and again on each profession , thats my main sore point. I dont think for one minute those that promote continue the grind intend to repeat the process over 10 characters.
Someone raised a good point, it should be unlocked for the account
Some other idiot makes comments about idioism with no justifications.
Overall a lot are for leaving it how it is and are happy to spend hours and hours just killing nothing for no reason .
There are obviously some that are not happy.
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Taking in to account the number of other threads raising similar issues the end result is that there are a lot of people that are not happy about the changes, just as there are a lot that are ok or happy with it.
I am content in the fact that slowly over 7000hrs of game time it is coming to the time that the developers have changed the way this game is so much so that for me it doesnt hold the same appeal.
Thank god, I'm a full addict and GWEN may be the thing that cures that .
They wont be getting any more of my money , for this type of content.
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Thanks for taking part, interesting to see, admittedly there was probably a better place for this in Sardelac, but its very clear people overall are not happy with the grinding need.
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Happy Guild Warsing
Someone raised a good point, it should be unlocked for the account
Some other idiot makes comments about idioism with no justifications.
Overall a lot are for leaving it how it is and are happy to spend hours and hours just killing nothing for no reason .
There are obviously some that are not happy.
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Taking in to account the number of other threads raising similar issues the end result is that there are a lot of people that are not happy about the changes, just as there are a lot that are ok or happy with it.
I am content in the fact that slowly over 7000hrs of game time it is coming to the time that the developers have changed the way this game is so much so that for me it doesnt hold the same appeal.
Thank god, I'm a full addict and GWEN may be the thing that cures that .
They wont be getting any more of my money , for this type of content.
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Thanks for taking part, interesting to see, admittedly there was probably a better place for this in Sardelac, but its very clear people overall are not happy with the grinding need.
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Happy Guild Warsing
Lykan
My vote is... no more petition threads please.
lord dragon
I agree with the thread, it should be changed.
Frigus X
If I got a point for each complaint made about required levels for armor I would've already maxed out my titles.
But seriously - I have been just playing GWEN, no farming and got most titles at LVL4, and haven't even finished everything yet. So no complaints about the required levels here ....
But seriously - I have been just playing GWEN, no farming and got most titles at LVL4, and haven't even finished everything yet. So no complaints about the required levels here ....
HeruEnAnpu
it should stay on #5... coz u have to earn ur armour
impoc
I'm sure its probably been said but my opinion is:
PLAY THE GAME!
there is no need to grind for your armor if you complete all the quests and do all the dungeons as well as taking all the bounties you can while running between dungeons and outposts, honestly its not that hard to get rank 5 on all of the 4 title tracks let alone one, if it makes you unhappy that you can't get armor for your 20 some-odd characters without playing the game then you shouldn't even have an account in the first place
PLAY THE GAME!
there is no need to grind for your armor if you complete all the quests and do all the dungeons as well as taking all the bounties you can while running between dungeons and outposts, honestly its not that hard to get rank 5 on all of the 4 title tracks let alone one, if it makes you unhappy that you can't get armor for your 20 some-odd characters without playing the game then you shouldn't even have an account in the first place
Jongo River
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Originally Posted by impoc
there is no need to grind for your armor if you complete all the quests
What quest rewards you with 100 glacial stones?
Those of you who think grind is fine, is their any proportion to your thinking? Will it ever stop being fine? Anet already bumped the Glacial Gaunlets req from 35 stones to 100 - if it goes to 500 next week, will that still be fine? Are you all just mindless drones?
Queen Anet wants stuff... must get stuff...
It's been suggested before that Anet upped the figure, because people were farming them in a few hours during the preview - the result? Players like me, who were in no hurry and figured they would just collect them through normal play, now *have* to farm, pay a premium to farmers or forget about it. It was a bizarre solution to the "problem", to say the least.
People aren't being lazy - they're bored and frustrated because the ingame tasks they're being asked to carry out for rewards are incredibly dull and repetitive. Oh, and these rewards are necessary - many bought GW:EN specifically for new armours and kit. Go on and tell us we shouldn't be GW players, but you may find you regret being smug, if Anet loses the casual player-base.
Those of you who think grind is fine, is their any proportion to your thinking? Will it ever stop being fine? Anet already bumped the Glacial Gaunlets req from 35 stones to 100 - if it goes to 500 next week, will that still be fine? Are you all just mindless drones?
Queen Anet wants stuff... must get stuff...
It's been suggested before that Anet upped the figure, because people were farming them in a few hours during the preview - the result? Players like me, who were in no hurry and figured they would just collect them through normal play, now *have* to farm, pay a premium to farmers or forget about it. It was a bizarre solution to the "problem", to say the least.
People aren't being lazy - they're bored and frustrated because the ingame tasks they're being asked to carry out for rewards are incredibly dull and repetitive. Oh, and these rewards are necessary - many bought GW:EN specifically for new armours and kit. Go on and tell us we shouldn't be GW players, but you may find you regret being smug, if Anet loses the casual player-base.