Questions about buying bulk un-ID golds

I was in Lions Arch and saw someone selling max un-ID golds, 7 of them for 4.3k total. So I did this and the person had another character open trade with me. I did the trade because this I figure is a great deal, considering I used to see un-ID golds go for 1k each a while back in Kaineng.

After the trade, the person opened trade again and I was okay with that, I was going for my wisdom title. My treasure title track was starting to creep up(it grows faster since most chest drops aren't gold where I chest run).

This went on a few times and I said I had enough and thanks. The person struck a little better deal, I forgot what it was. So I was okay. Then it was 8 for 4k, twice. So I did it. I got my wisdom title track almost to lvl 3, just need 11 more points.

After IDing them and selling back to the merchant, I made some money back and salvaged an assortment of max mods like staff heads, bow strings, and even a bow enchant 20% mod. So it didn't cost that much money with the money I got back.

Well okay, now to my questions.

*I've seen this before and I'm wondering, how are people able to get that many un-ID golds? Do they do constant chest running?

*Why would they rather sell them rather than ID them for their own wisdom title track? Do they only care about the treasure hunter title track? Even if their wisdom track is maxed out, might as well ID them on another character.

*Do they just look for valuable and rare chest drops and disregard the rest?

I know the person wasn't a bot because he/she was responsive with whisper messages. Does anyone here do stuff like this?

Typically it goes like this: All they want is gold so they can sell it for real money. It costs them time ($$) to ID/Salvage/Sell so it's cheaper in the long run for them to sell UnID'd.

That was the person managing the bots.

If, on the off chance it wasn't a bot, one reason could be that they had a good idea that they were crappy weapons and new they could get more money buy selling them unid than buy iding them themselves.

Answer is pretty simple...Not everyone cares about titles.
To some they are completely pointless other than to show off to others who could care less that you wasted your time trying to get some silly title.

Thing is the wisdom title has a practical purpose. It makes it more likely you keep your lockpick instead of breaking it when you use it. With only lvl 2 on my wisdom and treasure title tracks, my lock picks break more often than not despite the supposed 50% chance plus a little bonus from the titles I have. And I don't have any luck title. When I get lvl 3 on wisdom and treasure, then I may try the lockpick thing again.

I'm not so sure if the person was a bot. The one who did the trade was expecting the amount agreed upon before accepting the trade. If the person was selling the gold for real money, I would think it would be faster to do hero fast faction farming(which is faster than with people running) with three heroes and four other accounts in the same party, getting 5 times the reward money per run.

Not that I'm giving anyone any ideas. I'm just not sure if this person was selling ingame gold outside the game.

it has to be!, i bought about 700 unids 2day from 1 person.

he was like right, brb 2 seconds on other char, he comes bk .. hey me again, piss off! ur not the same person, differnt guild tag? .. oh yeh, second account..

how many accounts u got?! Lol

WTF? the other char is still here .. oh, hes gone afk. lol

It's just the bot runner/farmers selling off their redundant gold drops.

They will test all drops beforehand, any found to be 15^50 or have decent mods (+30hp, 20/20 etc) will be kept and salvaged/sold (mind you since inscriptions came out they prob dump most the common skinned items). Any golds with crap mods will be sold on as unid's. They maximize profit this way, because nothing goes to waste.

A large gold site will prob run a thousand or so bots 24/7 (with others in pre-sear ready to go) that will generate a lot of golds.

Bot..... Dont buy from bots.. .. ask them questions first.. and if they do not talk there prob bots..... its like buying a car form a person over the phone... it just does not add up.

Hmm, alright. I didn't know that, now I know.

well if they spam and they don't talk to you then there bots... i hate to stereotype but if there Asian or talk in Asian language "chinese ,Japanese.. etc" then there prob Bot gold farmers.. its a good idea to do your research

There not actually bots! There gold farmers, the actual people behind the bots, often Chinese or like which explains the bad english.
They are the real life people that over see the 100s of computers running bots.

I think Gaile recently mentioned you will not be banned for buying Unided golds.

yes along with the we are working on banning bots.. but yet you never see a decline...... I was tempted to get a separate account and see how long it would be b-4 i got banned by anet as a experiment .. not like i would but it would be interesting to see there response. I really think they need to hire people to write reports or be able to send in info on who should be banned bot wise. Cause it really is getting out of hand

When trading, there was a live person doing the trade. But if they use bots to get those un-ID golds, I don't want to harbor them by buying them.

its a never ending cycle. In Asian countries there are literally tens of thousands of Gold Gamers who get paid less then us to farm all day and bot so that they can make money off of us.. so just be careful when doing things.. we don't want to support the market that exploits people like that.

Sorry to say this but you acting like its some form of slavery, they're paid a wage equal to minimum wage for there region. Are offered decent hours, and even given a chance for promotion. Often these business start up in locations effected by economic changes, production businesses relocating, or social changes; like farming communities becoming production hubs.

Its like saying that people shouldn't buy coffee from startbucks because they endorse low wages and high hours.

FFS, don't buy gold from gold farmers because its against the RULES. Don't make it out to be a moral epidemic you need to spare the starving masses from.

Yes that's my reason, because of the game rules.

actually i was stating the facts .. most don't get paid and they don't get loads of money its literally a sweatshop. here is a link to back up my rant
http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3141815.. not everyone is legal and for what its worth gw is on that boundary as far as bot farming goes.

Keep in mind that money is a relative commodity. I don't buy from gold farmers because its against the EULA and because I know it screws up the in game economy.
From a moral standpoint though, gold farmers make more money that most people in that part of the world.

Erm, i dont think thye do test unids before hand, seeing the countless 20/20, 30hp, 15^50, +5enrgy and more i get ...

and no its not from one seller

If you believe some of the articles that have been written about gold farmers, apparently the wages they pay are actually quite good, for the region they are in.

One article said that the farmers were paid about $2 per day. Those farmers slept in barracks with bunk beds and typically worked about 8-10 hours each day (sometimes more if they wanted to take time off). Each farmer would manage I believe 5+ computers and watched over the various characters as the computers ran their bot programs (they did not play).

The farmers would only turn off the bot programs when a good drop came and they needed to hand it over to the "sellers." The sellers are like farmers, except they don't actually farm, they just focus on selling the items the farmers find. The sellers know the values of everything and focus on running auctions (i.e. WoW), or selling directly in-game.

The farmers would also take over if another character walked up to one of their bots and attempted to talk to them. In many games, GMs appear when characters log excessive hours and try to determine if they are farmers or just players who play too much. If the farmers don't disguise themselves well, the GM could ban the player. If the other player is a regular person like us, if that player decides it is a bot and reports them to a GM, a possible ban could result if the GM investigates. That's why they try to answer you quickly when you write them, even if it is in bad english.

Even though $2 a day sounds horrible, apparently in the parts of China where they work (i.e. away from major cities), the wages a slightly better than those if you busted your butt farming food.

If it were me, I'd much rather watch computer screens indoors than break my back outside being a fieldhand.

Not that I'm making excuses for farmers...afterall they do have a NEGATIVE effect on the in-game economy. But I can't blame the farmers as much as I blame the gamers who buy gold. Buying powerleveling services is one thing, but buying items and gold is just lazy.

I'm sorry but your supporting evidence fails, for starters it lacks support of its own evidence. It fails to back up any claims, only implies amounts. Why it even states amounts in a non specific currency.

56centsUS$ an hour in a rural provience of china is a medium wage job for China. More so to sit there and do almost nothing.

I'm not endorsing the gold farmers, there business is to rip off other peoples ideas and games. But its big business, and they select these regions to get the most cost effective work force labour, and to escape certain new age laws concerning the internet and taxation.

But the biggest problem is your quoting a game site! I'm sure the post a artical once every... wait since you piece was 2005 I'm guessing once evry 3-4 yrs inciting a moral panic amoung gamers about gold famers, why? If they didn't those pretty lil ads that infest the site would disappear. Game producers would with draw there support.


But anyway this is a discussion for another thread.

Well it kinda relates to the original post. I'm okay with it at least. I didn't know there was all this behind buying some un-ID golds for cheap bulk in Lions Arch. I figured it was a familiar scenario and got more than I bargained for.

Just because some people sell Unid'd golds for cash doesn't make us all "bots." I personally am going for my Treasure Hunter title and making any kind of return on high Q items is important. Selling 7 items for a set amount, usually worth more than the merch will pay, offsets the costs and basically helps both people with their title goals. Now, I'm not saying there aren't bots doing this but please avoid the blanket statements. Selling the unid's and missing out on max mods and inscrips? Ask yourself this... do you REALLY need another inscrip or mod pinned onto a mule?

And ANET... please make inscriptions STACKABLE!!

Whilst on the topic off Unid'd gods, awhile back I brought some from a character (probably a bot, I dont know...) in Ascalon. When i identified them I tried to salvage some mods of them (there was a axe with +30, etc.) but I couldnt. When i went to salvage the icon was just a hammer, and I could only salvage crafting materials from them. Is that the case wih all unid'ds?

was you using an expert salvage kit or the just a plain salvage kit? You should be able to Expert Salvage an item off of most blue/purple/gold items...but you need to use the expert kit