GWEN isn't the expansion I had in mind

Maybe it's just me, but something about this makes NO sense..
Adding heroes to the game was a bad thing, but adding even more was a good thing?!? He also listed Heroes as a pro AND con for NF.
I think the point was since there ARE heroes its nice to have new ones.

GWEN was the ultimate letdown for me.
I absolutely hated the "gamey," and "humorous," parts of the game including, but not limited to:
1. Kilroy Stonekin
2. the quest where you drink beer and stack ale kegs
3. the dwarven brawling tournament
4. Polymock
5. the fighting tournament with Magni
6. fighting the Norn at the resurrection shrines
7. the snowman dungeon and its snowman reward
8. the giant snowballs
This kind on inane filler junk should not be a part of a good RPG. If they insist on amusing the teenies, it should at least be optional - not required to unlock heroes and skills.
The story line and dungeons are not bad for Guild Wars, but the cutesy add-ons are enough to make me gag whenever I encounter a new one. All of the good programmers they have must have been assigned to GW2, leaving GWEN to the lesser lights. Have to disagree with you here. It's good to have humor in RPGs. And how is the fighting tournament "cute?" That is not an easy part of the game... at least for me.

My favorite parts so far have been Killroy Stonekin and the rabbit that leads you to death.

Then why are there so many threads on why people dont like it? Like you said every 5 threads. thats cos those enjoying it are playing it

The sad part is... with as much discontent with GWEN as I've seen on these and other forums, not one word from Anet. Oh sure we get the blind GW purist zombies jumping to their defense. But Anet just sits back and counts the money, figuring most will forget by the time GW2 comes out. Fool me once shame on you...fool me twice shame on me. Well, fooled no more. There are too many better choices worth the 10-15 bucks a month. I guess you do get what you pay for. Hellgate:London. Halloween 2007.

I'm sure the fanbois will say, "Good! Go ahead, and don't let the door hit your ass!" Say that in 18 months when the servers shut down because there are ten people in Kaineng Center AD1. EotN gonna keep everyone satisfied for 18 months?

I'm sooo sick of all the QQing...

How many of all the fanbois (sic!) have you nay-sayers (for if the people that enjoy GW are fanboys than those spamming this board are indeed nay-sayers) heard saying GW: EN is perfect in every aspect? Don't think i've seen one. How many of those displeased at GW: EN have you seen appreciating the positive sides? Errr, same answer as above? Now doesn't that tell you that maybe those "ardent defenders" of GW: EN may be a tad more objective than those writing a gazillion posts on the same issue?

Now, I, as a true fanboy, am having a blast playing GW: EN. I hate parts of the HoM (posted once on it), I don't like all the re-skins, but I truly am enjoying playing the game and feel in no way cheated out of the money I payed for it (and payed once and only once).

What all of you should do is try out the other great mmorpg out there; the 1 with 8 mil. gold farm... err i mean players and then come back and whine about the armors, the grinding and the gameplay in GW. Man, that was 1y of my life gone into a huge time and money sink...

Ofc criticism can be constructive, but this is already too much.
Well Mac,

You obviously miss the point, the "Nay-Sayers" are not complaining about the direction Anet took. We are not complaining about Skills balances or nerfing skills. They are basically complaining about being ripped off and having a half ass, quickly tossed together product sold to us at full campaign price. I personally am more disappointed than angry with A-net. I've really come to expect more from them. So I would say it's the folks who blindingly follow Anet, dare not breath an ill word of them, and who are just happy to have something else to fill their otherwise empty day. These are the ones who aren't objected enough to see when they have been sold a bag of goods. lol. Wow! Another Box with GW on the front! I'll buy it!


Also, one final note...If you notice Anet uses Fansite forums to interact with their fans. I personally don't agree with this concept. Because as a paying customer (of any product), I expect to be able to provide my customer feedback to the company. Without a bunch of Fanboyz flaming what I have to say. But this is the method they use. I think personally so they can have the fanboyz fighting their battles for them. Sure they have tech-support and someone to contact for financial issues...but try letting them know an opinion and your will get a nice little email telling to to post in the forums. With that said... LET US DO IT! These forums are supposed to be our conduit to Anet...I see both Fanboyz and Naysaers trying to censor the feedback and shut it down. Oh and let not forget the little smoke and mirrors they play....Anet uses the fan-sites to interact with the players and get their input, BUT the fan-sites are private and can censor anything...doesn't that process seem inherently flawed? Not to mention the gang of Fanboyz and Whiners patrolling the forums flaming every opposing comment.

This is an attitude I find totally perplexing - why on earth play a multi-player online game if you want to play alone? Surely the one big plus point to an online game is being able to play and chat with other people, and if you prefer solo play then an offline game offering a better storyline, lots more depth, content, options and features is a better choice? Because there isn't an offline game that offers the same play-style. Oblivion tried, but was hobbled by the stupid advancement system and monster/drop level scaling which destroyed the MMO feel.

Honestly, the closest thing to an offline game offering a similar experience is .Hack, which really doesn't fill the boots at all.

thats cos those enjoying it are playing it QFT. Those who like it for what it is, will enjoy it and have a great time. Those who don't like it might play it anyway for some reason, then QQ about it here and there, move on to other game, then QQ about other game.

This is an attitude I find totally perplexing - why on earth play a multi-player online game if you want to play alone? Surely the one big plus point to an online game is being able to play and chat with other people, and if you prefer solo play then an offline game offering a better storyline, lots more depth, content, options and features is a better choice? This is the attitude that I actually find perplexing. Why should we not be able to play alone? Should I tell my wife and kids that they have to hold on, because I am in the middle of a dungeon with online people that I never met or have not known 5 minutes prior? Seriously, give me a GO RED ENGINEGO RED ENGINEGO RED ENGINEGO RED ENGINE break. I play alone because I wont be tied to any commitments whatsoever. I chat with guildies. I chat with friends. But I should NOT be restricted to a certain playing style just because YOU think it should be like that. If you want to PuG, fine, thats your choice. But idiots and little peons that keep saying 'STOP PLAYING SOLO IN A MP GAME TARD!' need to get out of their habitat (ie-mom's basement) and get a life.

This is the attitude that I actually find perplexing. Why should we not be able to play alone? Should I tell my wife and kids that they have to hold on, because I am in the middle of a dungeon with online people that I never met or have not known 5 minutes prior? Seriously, give me a GO RED ENGINEGO RED ENGINEGO RED ENGINEGO RED ENGINE break. I play alone because I wont be tied to any commitments whatsoever. I chat with guildies. I chat with friends. But I should NOT be restricted to a certain playing style just because YOU think it should be like that. If you want to PuG, fine, thats your choice. But idiots and little peons that keep saying 'STOP PLAYING SOLO IN A MP GAME TARD!' need to get out of their habitat (ie-mom's basement) and get a life. Agreed. I like to play with people, but my play style should not be FORCED on anyone. You should play the game the way you enjoy it!

As for the grind, when the game changes direction as it has and rewards sensless killing of the same mob over and over, that is when it fails.

No one will convince me that killing the same mob again and again is fun. No one will convince me that killing the same mob again and again so I can get some skills that I can use and have no other way to obtain them does not tip the balance.

If you disagree with this, try to pick up a team in DOA with rank one lightbringer. Either you grind up to 4, or do not get a team. This is the issue with anything tied to grind.

One suggestion I do have with all of this, being the grinders will not want the title grind removed is to hold a triple point grind weekend in GWEN. Then everyone is on a level playing field again. As it is now, they are not.

To me it felt a little bit rushed more than anything. But it is indeed *very very* beautiful. The thing I'm actually enjoying the most is turning the music off, ambience up, and exploring to my heart's content.

Oh, and the grove where the bunny hops?:



Looks like it came right outta Zelda. Simply gorgeous. Nice picture.