Seriously, I don't understand.
It is like saying a person is very "jay". And then you go around telling people how said person is "SO JAY".
Like it means anything.
What is wrong with grind?
generik
Zeek Aran
Can you tell me the point of your post, and what it means? I truly do not understand.
arcanemacabre
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So, say you go to an ice cream shop, and you don't like vanilla, but they have both vanilla and chocolate. You think "Hey, cool - they have chocolate! I'll take that!" They hand you a chocolate and you're good to go.
So, you go back next time and order chocolate again, only to find that they have a new policy - If you want chocolate, you gotta eat some vanilla, too. Well, you don't like vanilla, but you have a choice - either eat both chocolate and vanilla or leave the store.
Hope that helps.
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Originally Posted by generik
It is like saying a person is very "jay". And then you go around telling people how said person is "SO JAY".
Like it means anything. Wait, what? The heck does any of this mean? lord dragon
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Seriously, I don't understand.
It is like saying a person is very "jay". And then you go around telling people how said person is "SO JAY". Like it means anything. Easy, grind is for the senseless monkeys of the world that just hit C, spacebar, becuase they never really wanted to learn how to play the game or get good at it. The titles that require this, the people that do know how to play kinda chuckle at. But, once you tie a skill to it, good bye fun, good bye challenge. Hello boredom. Floski
Oh hellz yeah, doing the same boring repetitive task over and over with 0 thinking sure is fun. And it's tons of content too. I love it when most of the game centers around grinding. It's balls to the walls.
If you fools don't have enough abstract thinking power to decipher that "jay" = "gay", please, don't... comment... Names Schmames
Games are supposed to be fun and not work?
JeniM
So would i be wrong in saying this thread has no use?
Amazing how spam and another grind thread are so easy to mix up
zwei2stein
And what is good about grind? There is no positive at all.
Grind is easy way out, both for designers and gamers. Do we need content for 100 hours of gameplay? Add grind, or add new level to existing one. Forget making actually interesting stuff to be played throught. Do we need to occupy players? Let em grind, its cheaper for us develop it that way. Thou, this kind of grind only makes sense in pay to play games. For gamers - people suck at games, if you are unable to beat L10 encounter with L10 character, reaction for typical gamer is to get few levels and return to pwn it without actually improving. You get huge problem when you get people unable/unwiling to improve when they are faced with L20 content with L20 char in GW where they cant just get easy time outleveling it, but have to become better player. Given that most people rather spend hundreds/tousands hours grinding than few minutes of improving. Then there is "i am better" mentality where people use grind as measurement of their electronical reproduction organ size. Then you have people who "want something to do". Waste time much? Worst are people who think that you have to "work" to have fun. Unpenetrable with arguments. --- Only problem i have with grind is when: * It improves character statistically in any way. * It denies access to content. That includes armor crafters. Lets others waste time on pointless things.
arcanemacabre
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If you fools don't have enough abstract thinking power to decipher that "jay" = "gay", please, don't... comment...
OK. It still makes no sense in relation to the topic - at all. Unless you can explain that, too. I mean seriously, what the hell does grind have to do with calling someone "Jay" or "Gay?"
Redfeather1975
If I went to a movie and found it was boring and repetitive, despite hearing the last 5 minute fight scene was totally awesome, I would leave the movie and give it a horrible review.
Me no like filler. Me think it sloppy design and can't understand why some people endure it. Oh wait I can understand why they do... Need for increased time spent on the activity to achieve satisfaction or diminished reward for the same amount of time spent on the activity. (Tolerance) I love quoting that. It's one of the symptoms of video game addiction.
Kakumei
The thing, though, is that "grind" is subjective. What if I enjoy every moment of clearing zones for points? I do, and it certainly doesn't feel like work to me, hence I don't consider it grind.
As far as I've seen thus far, Eye of the North doesn't contain any "grind" at all, because I enjoy playing the game.
zwei2stein
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The thing, though, is that "grind" is subjective. What if I enjoy every moment of clearing zones for points? I do, and it certainly doesn't feel like work to me, hence I don't consider it grind.
As far as I've seen thus far, Eye of the North doesn't contain any "grind" at all, because I enjoy playing the game. Yes, if you enjoy it, there is no problem with it. For you. What about people who enjoy not clearing whole zones but rather do quests or follow storyline. Best design is to give alternate access methods. For example: Requirement for something should be sum of what you receive when playing thought nonrepeated content once. IF player enjoys unique content, he has grand reward for getting throught all of it. IF player enjoys clearing areas or other grindy approach, he will still get his reward. Win/Win. one of paths might be easier, the other might be faster,
Servant of Kali
Grind for games is what soap operas are for TV. Or what toilet humor is for comedies.
zwei2stein
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Grind for games is what soap operas are for TV. Or what toilet humor is for comedies.
Wow, this is so acurate and true.
/no sarcasm/
BlackSephir
Ok, I have a better question- what ISN'T wrong with grind?
No, seriously, what's so enjoyable in repeating the same things? Entering the same area, killing the same mobs (and they use the same skills), using the same builds and repeating that? Quote:
As far as I've seen thus far, Eye of the North doesn't contain any "grind" at all, because I enjoy playing the game
Lulz. Just close your eyes and shout "I DONT WANNA SEE I DONT WANNA HEAR"
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You misunderstood my post entirely. Congratulations, I suppose.
Sparda
I know what isn't wrong with grind.
Iff you are a little kiddo who is not sure of himself. you grind a game to it's max and show of to everyone to hide your weakness *sarcasm* The thing is Grind sux you have to play a game for fun and sitting before you computer playing a brainless fool till you maxed your titels out it out isn't fun. that is why the new favor system will fail also people wil get tired to max out titels to get any protential out of it or till there are no more titels to grind. But iff you wanna grind i have the perfect solution for you play kalonline get till lvl 65 and you have your grind. Kas
The GW Crowd is just oversensitive with the term grind. They love to see and imagine grind at every corner and every step. Some folks even think it's grind to go through the campaign with a character. Or consider it grind that a character allways starts in the Tutorial Areas.
It has long ago reached the point of being utterly ridiculous, part of the reason probably why A-Net no longer gives a shit about the "but that's grinding, mimimimimi" crowd". So if you want to blame anyone for having to "grind", bitch at your fellow players for it is THEIR fault. Well, theirs and yours of course. Guildwars is easy enough and with the exception of very few areas, it can be completed using absolutely sub par skillbars with not a single PVE Skill on it. Now however, because it is so easy, people desperately seek for ways to discriminate others. Enter Titles. Suddenly having a high Lightbringer Title for example becomes important. Not because of its meager usefulness but because people can (finally?) discriminate others. So don't blame and bitch in A-nets direction. It's not the titles, it's what the players make out of it. And their first reaction to the title was to use it as measurement for elitism. TabascoSauce
Trust me, Grind is not our fault. And we can and should make it known that we feel it is a bad design decision.
Thanks! TabascoSauce
Sparda
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The GW Crowd is just oversensitive with the term grind. They love to see and imagine grind at every corner and every step. Some folks even think it's grind to go through the campaign with a character. Or consider it grind that a character allways starts in the Tutorial Areas.
It has long ago reached the point of being utterly ridiculous, part of the reason probably why A-Net no longer gives a shit about the "but that's grinding, mimimimimi" crowd". So if you want to blame anyone for having to "grind", bitch at your fellow players for it is THEIR fault. Well, theirs and yours of course. Guildwars is easy enough and with the exception of very few areas, it can be completed using absolutely sub par skillbars with not a single PVE Skill on it. Now however, because it is so easy, people desperately seek for ways to discriminate others. Enter Titles. Suddenly having a high Lightbringer Title for example becomes important. Not because of its meager usefulness but because people can (finally?) discriminate others. So don't blame and bitch in A-nets direction. It's not the titles, it's what the players make out of it. And their first reaction to the title was to use it as measurement for elitism. iff i understand you post right i might agree with you. Most Leet people or they think they are. measure there titels how good they are. But they are just stupid enough to max it out (purple heart Syndrome) But yes LB rank i nice iff you have it high but it's not requirerd rank 3/4 i more then enough if have it on Rank4 i can manage fine in DoA. But don't add more high req titels to the game (grind) other players (1337 boys/dicksizers) only like it. So it's Anet fold also they don't need to make the game sizeble to the fewer hardcore games.
Kakumei
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