So, some speculations of that dragon who makes it's first appearance (AWESOME EYE ANIMATION BTW) in Ogden's Benediction. Is this our enemy or friend, is it ancestor of Glint or Glint itself, or is Great Destroyer back? How did it end up inside stone? But thats for sure, it looks deadly
Mod edit: 8 threads have been merged. Please keep all sightings and speculation relating to the ancient dragons in this thread from now on.
The Dragon - Our next threat in GW2?
Chilos
Free Runner
I'm still wondering why our characters just walked away from it. I would at least question as to what it was in the first place. Even the Asura seem to take it for granted.
Its head does resemble Glint but the things rising up to it from around the room make it look like a huge version of "The Great Destroyer".Its also shown in the visions in which the camera actually pans to it making it look like the main villain (it had me fooled up till the appearence of the "real" Destroyer.
From Ogdens speech this thing doesnt sound friendly ("And the worst was yet to come...a threat that would consume the world").
Eye of the Norh made it look like everything we have faced so far is the least of our worries - the real danger is right there. Its going to be pretty interesting to see what this thing is and how it affects Tyria (or when it wakes up)
Funny that everything we do in GW1 is setting the battle up for GW2 (the revenge of the Mursaat on humans, the mass tranformation of dwarves into stone dwarves, Livias temptation and the "lets ignore the oversized evil dragon statue" thing)
Its head does resemble Glint but the things rising up to it from around the room make it look like a huge version of "The Great Destroyer".Its also shown in the visions in which the camera actually pans to it making it look like the main villain (it had me fooled up till the appearence of the "real" Destroyer.
From Ogdens speech this thing doesnt sound friendly ("And the worst was yet to come...a threat that would consume the world").
Eye of the Norh made it look like everything we have faced so far is the least of our worries - the real danger is right there. Its going to be pretty interesting to see what this thing is and how it affects Tyria (or when it wakes up)
Funny that everything we do in GW1 is setting the battle up for GW2 (the revenge of the Mursaat on humans, the mass tranformation of dwarves into stone dwarves, Livias temptation and the "lets ignore the oversized evil dragon statue" thing)
mazey vorstagg
Well seeing as Glint is a great, good dragon perhaps this one is her evil twin. As in, the real great destroyer.
Onarik Amrak
Funnily enough, it's not the first time the heroes just walked away from something...
Remember the Sceptor of Orr? I guess we just forgot about it and it disappeared.
Remember the Sceptor of Orr? I guess we just forgot about it and it disappeared.
Mark Nevermiss
I don't think these dangers are meant to be more than a general indication that its not all honey and cookies henceforth.
From the article on GW2 in PC Gamer, it seems GW2 is going to be more complex in the type of threats faced by the world, and that it wont necessarily focus on one arch-enemy, as is the case in GW1.
From the article on GW2 in PC Gamer, it seems GW2 is going to be more complex in the type of threats faced by the world, and that it wont necessarily focus on one arch-enemy, as is the case in GW1.
Free Runner
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I don't think these dangers are meant to be more than a general indication that its not all honey and cookies henceforth.
From the article on GW2 in PC Gamer, it seems GW2 is going to be more complex in the type of threats faced by the world, and that it wont necessarily focus on one arch-enemy, as is the case in GW1. |
Mournblade
The whole other half of the planet could be under the Destroyers sway and we wouldn't know it. We need more ambitious cartographers. 
Rainbird
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The whole other half of the planet could be under the Destroyers sway and we wouldn't know it. We need more ambitious cartographers.
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Giga Strike
they really tell you very little about that dragon. could it be glint? if so then y would glint want to attack the rest of tyria in GW2? maybe its the evil daddy dragon.
themeteor
I don't think it's "the real great destroyer" unless there IS in fact another expansion already in production because it undermines the whole my characters epicness, even if he did save the world 3 times already.
I'm going to guess that the dragon was somehow held back by the destroyers and we we beat the great destroyer what held back the dragon was destroyed.
I doubt that he/she/it is related to glint it just seems a little to easy to be true
I'm going to guess that the dragon was somehow held back by the destroyers and we we beat the great destroyer what held back the dragon was destroyed.
I doubt that he/she/it is related to glint it just seems a little to easy to be true
Mournblade
Speaking of dragons - what the heck is that spikey spiney statuey looking outcropping in the Charr homelands? It's bigger than the dragon buried in Drakkar Lake!
Free Runner
Also the thing in Drakkar lake could be connected to the Dragon we saw awakening.....and perhaps they both awaken at the same time. The monster in the lake has demonstrated evil powers before so its alive.
The Dragon itself couldnt be Glint - last i checked she wasnt turned into a statue. Also she doesnt have red eyes...she has blue ones, and the horn isnt present on her nose.
Ive not actually had time to look at the huge thing in the Charr Homelands. Is it explained anywere as to what its name is/how it came to be?
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they really tell you very little about that dragon. could it be glint? if so then y would glint want to attack the rest of tyria in GW2? maybe its the evil daddy dragon
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Ive not actually had time to look at the huge thing in the Charr Homelands. Is it explained anywere as to what its name is/how it came to be?
Some Guru Named Kai
Aaaah! GODZILLA!!! 
jkjkjk. Anywho, I am leaning more towards the idea of that dragon being the "real" Great Destroyer. Since the supposed battle between the Great Dwarf vs Great Destroyer looked more like the Great Dwarf worshippers vs Great Destroyer spawns. (Jalis Ironhammer and those destroyer monsters)
That freaky looking dragon in the final battle that we had to kill could just be a Head General / Right Hand "Lizard" / CEO? / or maybe even the son-daughter of the Great Destroyer!? And in GW2, the big dragon wants payback? The husband of Glint!? okok, I'm getting a little carried away here.
But, a lot of people are speculating that the stone dragon is somehow involved with Glint and I wouldn't disagree, Glint is a pretty big character (literally and not) being that she's a 3,000 year old prophet and overseer of the world by the five gods. It would make great lore to continue her involvement in the lore.
jkjkjk. Anywho, I am leaning more towards the idea of that dragon being the "real" Great Destroyer. Since the supposed battle between the Great Dwarf vs Great Destroyer looked more like the Great Dwarf worshippers vs Great Destroyer spawns. (Jalis Ironhammer and those destroyer monsters)
That freaky looking dragon in the final battle that we had to kill could just be a Head General / Right Hand "Lizard" / CEO? / or maybe even the son-daughter of the Great Destroyer!? And in GW2, the big dragon wants payback? The husband of Glint!? okok, I'm getting a little carried away here.
But, a lot of people are speculating that the stone dragon is somehow involved with Glint and I wouldn't disagree, Glint is a pretty big character (literally and not
) being that she's a 3,000 year old prophet and overseer of the world by the five gods. It would make great lore to continue her involvement in the lore.
mazey vorstagg
Well I agree with it being the real great destroyer. If the thing we fought was then the dwarfs would have been killed at the end of EOTN as was predicted.
Eldin
Glint BETTER RETURN IN GW2!
Though I doubt the dragon has relevance to Glint. That does not even LOOK like a dragon in that picture posted. Very little room for a jaw and whatnot.
ANet's prioritization of how dramatic battles are has been slipping. In ways GW:EN is supposed to be the grand closure, but I found fighting an exiled God more dramatic than a bunch of destruction-crazed whatchamahoozits.
Though I doubt the dragon has relevance to Glint. That does not even LOOK like a dragon in that picture posted. Very little room for a jaw and whatnot.
ANet's prioritization of how dramatic battles are has been slipping. In ways GW:EN is supposed to be the grand closure, but I found fighting an exiled God more dramatic than a bunch of destruction-crazed whatchamahoozits.
French Connections
Seeing as the end game "Great Destroyer" we defeat at the end of GWEN was so pathetic, I'm assuming it wasnt really the Great Destroyer, but merely a pawn rallying the destroyers to prepare for the Great Destroyer's (the dragon looking creature we see in the final cutscene) arrival. Furthermore, the Great Destroyer was rather small in comparison to what i was expecting when i heard it's name mentioned (i was expecting a an abadon sized monster :P).
Note: This is pure speculation on my behalf.
Note: This is pure speculation on my behalf.
Chilos
I found little thing about dragon from game ratings:
When I saw this, I said: Hel-lo!
''The example given is that of a dragon that’s been seen flying worryingly close in recent days - if enough players “shoo” it away with conveniently placed catapults, they’ll all be paid a reward by the local landowner. If, however, the dragon doesn’t get dealt with, it’ll go on a rampage - destroying a bridge perhaps, which will in turn trigger a team of NPCs rebuilding it and an envoy of wood sent from a nearby town. If, again, you choose to protect the cart from wood-hungry bandits, then you’ll get a reward''
When I saw this, I said: Hel-lo!
''The example given is that of a dragon that’s been seen flying worryingly close in recent days - if enough players “shoo” it away with conveniently placed catapults, they’ll all be paid a reward by the local landowner. If, however, the dragon doesn’t get dealt with, it’ll go on a rampage - destroying a bridge perhaps, which will in turn trigger a team of NPCs rebuilding it and an envoy of wood sent from a nearby town. If, again, you choose to protect the cart from wood-hungry bandits, then you’ll get a reward''
Giga Strike
after a little research and through discussion in another thread i've began to beleive that the dragon was dormant (perhaps being subdued by the great destroyer) and was being used for its magical energy by both the asurans (to set up the teleporter system) and by the destroyers (maybe to cause the eartquakes that freed them). It seemed to start to awaken after the great destroyer was defeated, so it must have been controlled in some way, but I still can't figure out how it was captured in the first place.
Free Runner
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I found little thing about dragon from game ratings:
When I saw this, I said: Hel-lo! ''The example given is that of a dragon that’s been seen flying worryingly close in recent days - if enough players “shoo” it away with conveniently placed catapults, they’ll all be paid a reward by the local landowner. If, however, the dragon doesn’t get dealt with, it’ll go on a rampage - destroying a bridge perhaps, which will in turn trigger a team of NPCs rebuilding it and an envoy of wood sent from a nearby town. If, again, you choose to protect the cart from wood-hungry bandits, then you’ll get a reward'' |
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It seemed to start to awaken after the great destroyer was defeated, so it must have been controlled in some way, but I still can't figure out how it was captured in the first place.
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As to how it was captured we now have 3 creatures which look to have been sealed away (The thing in Drakkar Lake,the huge spine in the Charr Homelands and this Dragon). We could be looking at another Abaddon scenario here - these things could have been sealed by the 6 Gods or perhaps sealed by something else long before the Gods.
Giga Strike
that charr dragon looks pretty dead to me...
draxynnic
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Glint BETTER RETURN IN GW2!
Though I doubt the dragon has relevance to Glint. That does not even LOOK like a dragon in that picture posted. Very little room for a jaw and whatnot. ANet's prioritization of how dramatic battles are has been slipping. In ways GW:EN is supposed to be the grand closure, but I found fighting an exiled God more dramatic than a bunch of destruction-crazed whatchamahoozits. |
The difference, of course, is that we never faced a free Abaddon - he was still half-defeated by the other gods at the time we arrived, we just acted as a long-delayed executioner. Maybe the Gods just didn't have a suitable candidate to take over his power when they took him down originally.
The Destroyer, on the other hand - while not as powerful as Abaddon, it's still more powerful (at least in theory) than the other Big Bads such as Shiro and the Lich, and unlike Abaddon we're facing its full power rather than a restrained version.
-Old 3FL-
I was very dissapointed @ the shown "Destroyer" at end of eotn. I expected it to be the Dragon. but sadly no.
I think we just got shown the nemesis in GW2, as i love evil dragons, I'll get Gw2 if it is xD
As far as power i think (highest to lowest) -
Abaddon.
Destroyer.
Lich.
Shiro.
I think we just got shown the nemesis in GW2, as i love evil dragons, I'll get Gw2 if it is xD
As far as power i think (highest to lowest) -
Abaddon.
Destroyer.
Lich.
Shiro.
Free Runner
The new PCG Guild Wars issue has some info on Guild Wars 2 lore in it and a poster over on GWO managed to post a summary of some of the details. It appears this dragon is one of the awakened dragons and has a name - Primordus.
This Dragon is controlling the undead which walk upon the newly risen Orr (which happend to cause a Tsunami in the process of rising, destroying Lions Arch,submergeing the Battle Illse and cutting off access to Cantha)
The way the poster said it, it looks like Primordus was actually set back due to us defeating the Great Destroyer.So this thing looks like its going to cause more trouble than previous foes.
This Dragon is controlling the undead which walk upon the newly risen Orr (which happend to cause a Tsunami in the process of rising, destroying Lions Arch,submergeing the Battle Illse and cutting off access to Cantha)
The way the poster said it, it looks like Primordus was actually set back due to us defeating the Great Destroyer.So this thing looks like its going to cause more trouble than previous foes.
Neriandal Freit
Free Runner, do we have a link to the Summary of this article or does anyone know if anyone on Guru has posted such yet?
Archaic
Blast. I shall go cry now that I've been spoilered to an unreleased game. 
draxynnic
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The new PCG Guild Wars issue has some info on Guild Wars 2 lore in it and a poster over on GWO managed to post a summary of some of the details. It appears this dragon is one of the awakened dragons and has a name - Primordus.
This Dragon is controlling the undead which walk upon the newly risen Orr (which happend to cause a Tsunami in the process of rising, destroying Lions Arch,submergeing the Battle Illse and cutting off access to Cantha) |
It is interesting that this Primordus has control over the undead of Orr, especially considering who used to be in charge of them. I wonder of Primordus is for Abaddon as Glint was for the other gods, or is it just filling a power vacuum?
Or, as a piece of wild speculation - maybe the various nasty gribblies waking up were originally put to sleep by Abaddon, and (whether deliberately on his part or simply a case of the enchantments unravelling on his death) they're acting as a kind of doomsday revenge weapon. It might actually explain why the other gods left him for us to deal with - being able to destroy Abaddon may in fact have essentially been part of the test on whether there were mortal heroes powerful enough to destroy them.
It's just a shame that apart from the Great Destroyer, the others were canny enough to wait until all those mortal heroes died off before striking...
Nemo the Capitalist
its anet on a bad hair day the dragone
oh knoes!!!!!
oh knoes!!!!!
Free Runner
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Free Runner, do we have a link to the Summary of this article or does anyone know if anyone on Guru has posted such yet?
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Heres a whole thread dedicated to it. I dont think a summary has been posted on Guru yet.
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Blast. I shall go cry now that I've been spoilered to an unreleased game
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That could explain the hints that humanity was in a bad way for GW2 - It seems all the disasters caused by Abaddon's manipulations are reverting themselves (note references in the EOTN manual about the Jade Sea beginning to thaw, for example) but that doesn't mean that it isn't causing trouble in the process. Meanwhile, Elona has Palawa, and we know he's not going to keep sitting around biding his time once the GW1 heroes die off. Especially if the Crystal Sea is refilled... possibly by the same tsunami.
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Also another summery (in the thread linked to above) Primordus can shape creatures with his breath and give them life.He is also one of the first Dragons to awaken. I find it interesting that this thing has the power to create.
Sleeper Service
Shards of Orr.
netniwk
I don't understand the argument that the great destroyer isn't the great destroyer because he was to easy.I mean,how hard was abadon?and that dude was a god.shiro and the lich where walks in the park too,and i never heard rumors that we didn't defeat shiro because it was in fact his twin sister.
Free Runner
Yes the mural in Shard of Orr caught my interest aswell. it has the same spike on the bottom of its mouth and a horn on its nose along with the same red eye. This is most likely Primordus or the other dragon below Orr.
Shiro and the Lich were not shown as a huge threat to the world. Abaddon was chained down at probably at only half his power. All the way through Eye of the North it becomes apparent that the Great Destroyer is a very powerful entity along with its Destroyers. When we get there the only thing remotely powerful there is the environment its standing in. Now its apparent that the Great Destroyer was just a minion to Primordus and by letting it live we would of cast Tyria into hell sooner. So the Great Destroyer wasnt powerful but the thing it was awakening was, therefore the Great Destroyer was a big threat.
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draxynnic
That said, it really does devalue the Great Dwarf. The being your race worships and your entire race was apparently created to fight was... a second-rate demonic lieutenant that can be taken out in its own place of power by eight humans?
-Old 3FL-
If there are 3 dragons restrained/hidden in EOTN, could it be that they r brothers/sisters that have awakened to destroy the world and the 1 in TGD room is the most powerful and the other 2 being slightly weaker but still strong?
ie; Kill one, it gets harder, kill 2nd, gets even harder, then finally you kill the last dragon.
ie; Kill one, it gets harder, kill 2nd, gets even harder, then finally you kill the last dragon.
Mournblade
Maybe we'll have to get the staff back from Livia and perform a ritual to summon the gods back to Tyria, and they will have a massive showdown with the dragons for final rule of the world...
Kashrlyyk
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Maybe we'll have to get the staff back from Livia and perform a ritual to summon the gods back to Tyria, and they will have a massive showdown with the dragons for final rule of the world...
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Mournblade
We'll get our homey Kormir to speak to them on our behalf. We're tight you know. =D
Malchior
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We'll get our homey Kormir to speak to them on our behalf. We're tight you know. =D
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Anyone else ever notice how Kormir is all like "A sunspear never fights alone!"
And then she goes ahead places ONE sunspear at every rez shrine. GG Kormir.
How in hell did she get to be the goddess of Truth? Godess of irony is more like it...
Mordakai
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The Gods ANet created are way to lazy, incompetent, stupid, .....
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there are no gods.
Malchior
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Onarik Amrak
Well they don't look totally the same. It could be a depiction of the dragon sleeping under Orr?