The Dragon - Our next threat in GW2?
Malchior
In my opinion the dragon is the real great destroyer. It could have been a long since buried true giant with some form of control over itself/it's powers.
Free Runner
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Originally Posted by Onarik Amrak
Well they don't look totally the same. It could be a depiction of the dragon sleeping under Orr?
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sindex
This is what I am getting from the reading of the magazine so far.
Primordus is the first to awaken where his ex-general The Great Destroyer lived. He was supposed to awaken two generations before; if it was not for the Great Destroyers defeat.
A Elder Dragon of ice and snow has also awaken; which led to the fall of Gunnar’s Hold and eventual Norn move to old dwarf territory. I am thinking that beast we saw in Drakkar Lake finally thawed.
The Dragon beneath the kingdom of Orr (not Primordus), is a powerful undead dragon. The leader of the bone dragons did cross my mind. He is responsible for Orr rising, and the Orrian people not finding rest after all this time. Furthermore it has cut off the ports of Tyria from doing trade with both Cantha and Elona, by killing anyone who tries to pass the former Orrian Kingdom.
A desert dragon seems to loom in Northern area of the Crystal Desert. However Palawa Joko continues to rule over the southern portion of it. Something tells me there is a war between the two powers that has neither a winner or looser. It also brings up questions about Glint and her young’s survival in all of this.
I know there are other Dragons according to the art that have been hidden. One that is in the Charr territory is likely to drive the Charr out of their homeland.
Mt theory is that Dragons represent the chaotic nature of Tyria, opposite from that of the six gods (including Komir) themselves. They probably did battle against these ancient creatures, before they actually have the ability to manipulate Tyria. However like the gods, these Ancient Dragons can never be truly destroyed, but put into a type of hibernation. Furthermore I can see one ancient dragon for each of the elements, just like the Titans.
Primordus is the first to awaken where his ex-general The Great Destroyer lived. He was supposed to awaken two generations before; if it was not for the Great Destroyers defeat.
A Elder Dragon of ice and snow has also awaken; which led to the fall of Gunnar’s Hold and eventual Norn move to old dwarf territory. I am thinking that beast we saw in Drakkar Lake finally thawed.
The Dragon beneath the kingdom of Orr (not Primordus), is a powerful undead dragon. The leader of the bone dragons did cross my mind. He is responsible for Orr rising, and the Orrian people not finding rest after all this time. Furthermore it has cut off the ports of Tyria from doing trade with both Cantha and Elona, by killing anyone who tries to pass the former Orrian Kingdom.
A desert dragon seems to loom in Northern area of the Crystal Desert. However Palawa Joko continues to rule over the southern portion of it. Something tells me there is a war between the two powers that has neither a winner or looser. It also brings up questions about Glint and her young’s survival in all of this.
I know there are other Dragons according to the art that have been hidden. One that is in the Charr territory is likely to drive the Charr out of their homeland.
Mt theory is that Dragons represent the chaotic nature of Tyria, opposite from that of the six gods (including Komir) themselves. They probably did battle against these ancient creatures, before they actually have the ability to manipulate Tyria. However like the gods, these Ancient Dragons can never be truly destroyed, but put into a type of hibernation. Furthermore I can see one ancient dragon for each of the elements, just like the Titans.
blue.rellik
Maybe Rotscale is the undead dragon's general? He's certainly powerful enough, much harder than TGD
Neriandal Freit
Doubtful. I would have to suspect it is another new dragon.
The Shelf
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Originally Posted by sindex
One that is in the Charr territory is likely to drive the Charr out of their homeland.
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There have been 5 dragons mentioned so far, possibly 6 depending on whether or not the "water dragon" and "desert dragon" are the same.
Neriandal Freit
Fascinating it will be the Dragon's that will bring the races together and thus allowing us to play those races as their heroes.
Malchior
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Originally Posted by sindex
This is what I am getting from the reading of the magazine so far.
Primordus is the first to awaken where his ex-general The Great Destroyer lived. He was supposed to awaken two generations before; if it was not for the Great Destroyers defeat. A Elder Dragon of ice and snow has also awaken; which led to the fall of Gunnar’s Hold and eventual Norn move to old dwarf territory. I am thinking that beast we saw in Drakkar Lake finally thawed. The Dragon beneath the kingdom of Orr (not Primordus), is a powerful undead dragon. The leader of the bone dragons did cross my mind. He is responsible for Orr rising, and the Orrian people not finding rest after all this time. Furthermore it has cut off the ports of Tyria from doing trade with both Cantha and Elona, by killing anyone who tries to pass the former Orrian Kingdom. A desert dragon seems to loom in Northern area of the Crystal Desert. However Palawa Joko continues to rule over the southern portion of it. Something tells me there is a war between the two powers that has neither a winner or looser. It also brings up questions about Glint and her young’s survival in all of this. I know there are other Dragons according to the art that have been hidden. One that is in the Charr territory is likely to drive the Charr out of their homeland. Mt theory is that Dragons represent the chaotic nature of Tyria, opposite from that of the six gods (including Komir) themselves. They probably did battle against these ancient creatures, before they actually have the ability to manipulate Tyria. However like the gods, these Ancient Dragons can never be truly destroyed, but put into a type of hibernation. Furthermore I can see one ancient dragon for each of the elements, just like the Titans. |
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Originally Posted by Neriandal Freit
Free Runner, do we have a link to the Summary of this article or does anyone know if anyone on Guru has posted such yet?
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Hopefully this will clear up any misconceptions/2nd hand information people may have about GW2. Although, it'll probably breed more speculation :P .
Free Runner
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Originally Posted by Malchior
Or maybe it's like a jeepers creeps style thing, where they sleep for a certain amount of time, and in the time they are awake they have the chance to get as much of tyria under their control...
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Eldin
Unless these dragons are related to The Great Destroyer, perhaps that puny thing in GW:EN WAS The Great Destroyer.
However, the Tome of Rubicon says that The Great Dwarf would fight The Great Destroyer.
Unless some corny thing is put into the story like "The Great Dwarf lives on in all of us", then, last time I checked, we're not The Great Dwarf.
However, the Tome of Rubicon says that The Great Dwarf would fight The Great Destroyer.
Unless some corny thing is put into the story like "The Great Dwarf lives on in all of us", then, last time I checked, we're not The Great Dwarf.
Malchior
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Originally Posted by Free Runner
You mean the whole 23 days of being awake and then 23 years of hybernation thing? thats an interesting theory. It could be the Dragons have to go into hibernation after a set period of time. Perhaps the Dragons could be trying to get as much as Tyria under their control in order to find a way to lengthen their awake time or stop the hibernation process completely.
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that or there was a great battle so long ago between the 5 gods and these dragons, and the dragons were sealed away or banished or just went for a nap and the 5 gods turned off their alarm clocks. Who knows? Lets ask the avatars of thee gods! XD
/kneel "Yo, whaz tha skiny on doze dragonz bruvzz?!1/1"
Lets go to ToA and spam the kneel emote until one of the gods themselves show up.
Eldin
There is something I'm still not sure about...
So how are the Destroyers related to the dragons? We originally thought the Dragon at the end of GW:EN was the true Great Destroyer, though he is apparently Primordus or one of the other dragons. The whole thing about the destroyers affecting the dragons' wakeup time is what I'm not sure about.
The way I see it (it feels like I'm repeating myself), it's like this:
The Destroyers were speeding up the dragons' wakeup time somehow, either by destroying or just existing. Defeating The Great Destroyer (who wasn't that great) dealt a major blow to this wakeup effort, thereby making it take longer for Primordus to wake up - specifically, so that instead of waking up around GW:EN time, he'd have to wait a few centuries for GW2 until he awakens?
So how are the Destroyers related to the dragons? We originally thought the Dragon at the end of GW:EN was the true Great Destroyer, though he is apparently Primordus or one of the other dragons. The whole thing about the destroyers affecting the dragons' wakeup time is what I'm not sure about.
The way I see it (it feels like I'm repeating myself), it's like this:
The Destroyers were speeding up the dragons' wakeup time somehow, either by destroying or just existing. Defeating The Great Destroyer (who wasn't that great) dealt a major blow to this wakeup effort, thereby making it take longer for Primordus to wake up - specifically, so that instead of waking up around GW:EN time, he'd have to wait a few centuries for GW2 until he awakens?
Free Runner
From the sound of it the Destroyers are the main minions of Primordus. Since they appeared exactly under Primordus its possible that he was the one that awakened them by leaking power - if his breath creates life then perhaps it was somehow let out giving life to the Destroyers.
The Great Destroyer was in that chamber for a long time - isnt it possible that all the time it was working to not only send out the minor Destroyers but also take years off Primordus's awakening time in some way. Perhaps the whole point of the Destroyers was to destroy life in order to awaken Primordus, instead of clearing out for the arrival of the GD. Its a long shot but what if by killing creatures they were harvesting something (souls perhaps) that was powering up Primordus?.
The Great Destroyer was in that chamber for a long time - isnt it possible that all the time it was working to not only send out the minor Destroyers but also take years off Primordus's awakening time in some way. Perhaps the whole point of the Destroyers was to destroy life in order to awaken Primordus, instead of clearing out for the arrival of the GD. Its a long shot but what if by killing creatures they were harvesting something (souls perhaps) that was powering up Primordus?.
Malchior
I need to beat GW:EN, lol. So much stuff I don't know first hand...
Giga Strike
I think that that destroyers had a bond with primordus. I don't think that they were powering him up by existing, i think that by dieing they caused primordus to weaken.
also will we be fighting more destroyers in GW2? the PC gamer said that primordus created them in the first place and after they were killed he created more minions.
also will we be fighting more destroyers in GW2? the PC gamer said that primordus created them in the first place and after they were killed he created more minions.
The Shelf
The Great Destroyer was just Primordus's general and the Destroyers were just his minions. I seriously doubt the Destroyers strengthened or powered up Primordus in any way. That's pretty silly....
Remember, Primordus was asleep. Do you need to be strengthened or powered up when you're asleep? No, you just need to woken up. That was the Destroyer's job. They were clearing out the mountains so nothing could interfere or screw anything up, and then they were going to wake Primordus up. Since we killed the Destroyers, Primordus's awakening got delayed.
In other words, we smashed Primordus's alarm clock. As a result, he slept in for about 200 years.
Remember, Primordus was asleep. Do you need to be strengthened or powered up when you're asleep? No, you just need to woken up. That was the Destroyer's job. They were clearing out the mountains so nothing could interfere or screw anything up, and then they were going to wake Primordus up. Since we killed the Destroyers, Primordus's awakening got delayed.
In other words, we smashed Primordus's alarm clock. As a result, he slept in for about 200 years.
Giga Strike
seems like a pretty weird sleeping position.
draxynnic
Maybe it's a comfortable way to sleep if you're an ancient primordial dragon?
Free Runner
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Originally Posted by The Shelf
The Great Destroyer was just Primordus's general and the Destroyers were just his minions. I seriously doubt the Destroyers strengthened or powered up Primordus in any way. That's pretty silly....
Remember, Primordus was asleep. Do you need to be strengthened or powered up when you're asleep? No, you just need to woken up. That was the Destroyer's job. They were clearing out the mountains so nothing could interfere or screw anything up, and then they were going to wake Primordus up. Since we killed the Destroyers, Primordus's awakening got delayed. In other words, we smashed Primordus's alarm clock. As a result, he slept in for about 200 years. |
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Originally Posted by Giga Strike
seems like a pretty weird sleeping position
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When you look at him, Primordus doesnt look like a traditional Dragon (he kinda reminds me of a huge version of The Great Destroyer). There are huge leglike things coming from aroudn the sides which suggests that the thing at the back is his body. So hes jsut sleeping with his head bowed. Though i doubt its comfortable
Aubis
This is what I think Before the War with Abaddon The Gods and the first races of Tyria battle the evil anicent dragons for control of the world this battle shape most the of world of Tyria and ending with almost all the dragons being put to sleep by the gods.
Neriandal Freit
Possible considering there where two gods before Abbadon had that power, and one prior to Grenth.
1 up and 2 down
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Originally Posted by Neriandal Freit
Possible considering there where two gods before Abbadon had that power, and one prior to Grenth.
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Dwayna
Melandru
Balthazar
Dhuum
Lyssa
Abbadon
Then Dhuum was defeated by Grenth and lost his position as god of death.
Neriandal Freit
Alas your wrong, read up on Abbie. I'm almost certain that there was a god before the god that Abbadon took him power from and either Kormir is the third god with the power she has now, or the fourth.
Free Runner
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Originally Posted by 1 up and 2 down
No there wasn't, the original six gods were:
Dwayna Melandru Balthazar Dhuum Lyssa Abbadon Then Dhuum was defeated by Grenth and lost his position as god of death. |
Kormir and Grenth are proof that this is somewhat true.
Upon taking a look at Primordus again i saw that there are strange particles falling from him just behind the Great Destroyer along with something that looked like it was moving (cant confirm what it was due to me having to Leeroy into the Great Destroyer)
Aubis
Maybe the anicent dragons made the Gods like in Greek legend of how the titans made the Greek gods
CrAzZyKiLLa
Full Lore about the Dragons here
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Ancient_dragons
Also Full Lore About Guild Wars 2 here
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/The_M...t_of_the_World
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Ancient_dragons
Also Full Lore About Guild Wars 2 here
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/The_M...t_of_the_World
Onarik Amrak
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Originally Posted by CrAzZyKiLLa
Full Lore about the Dragons here
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Ancient_dragons |
SotiCoto
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Full Lore about the Dragons here
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Ancient_dragons |
Firstly.... Cantha will apparently be shut off from the world in GW2 .... and secondly, the only significant Dragon on Shing Jea was coiled around a rock out at sea near the Crimson Skull base...... BUT....
.... There is an identical one on an identical rock just off-shore from Kaineng.
Admittedly.... the Drakkar of a certain lake, the dragon in the central transfer chamber..... and that bloody HUGE spiney one going through the Charr Homelands (clearly visible even on the map) are hardly subtle.
If anyone can find a dragon in the Ring of Fire islands, I'd like to hear about it.
I DO recall there being one sealed in the Jade Sea though.... for what it is worth.
Free Runner
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Originally Posted by SotiCoto
I DO recall there being one sealed in the Jade Sea though.... for what it is worth.
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I doubt there are any Dragons resting in Cantha. The Dragons seem to be the story for Tyria whereas Cantha will have a seperate story.
Onarik Amrak
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Originally Posted by Free Runner
I'm pretty sure its a Leviathan encased in Jade.
I doubt there are any Dragons resting in Cantha. The Dragons seem to be the story for Tyria whereas Cantha will have a seperate story. |
Perhaps the Dragon in the Jade Sea is the mother of all Leviathans?
Giga Strike
we cant rule out the possibility that there are ancient dragons in cantha. kuunavang was confirmed to be a minor dragon like glint. therefore its possible that other dragons could also be in cantha, though the only one that hasnt had its exact location confirmed is the deep sea dragon.
Akaten Talon
Anyone here ever wonder why glint is in a Piece of SAND?? I mean when i first saw glint and rmembered that she was hiding in sand the FIRST thing i thought was "Why is that giant dragon hiding?" I think GLint knows about these old Dragons
Akaten
Akaten
Neriandal Freit
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Originally Posted by Akaten Talon
Anyone here ever wonder why glint is in a Piece of SAND?? I mean when i first saw glint and rmembered that she was hiding in sand the FIRST thing i thought was "Why is that giant dragon hiding?" I think GLint knows about these old Dragons
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draxynnic
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Originally Posted by Neriandal Freit
All wise creatures know to hide and be forgotten.
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[SPOILER]Does make me wonder how the Destroyers managed to threaten her hatchling(s), though...[/SPOILER]
Corpselooter
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Originally Posted by Giga Strike
that charr dragon looks pretty dead to me...
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super strokey
I gotta say that all of this info is making me crazy waiting for GW2. Its really interesting to hear all of this info about stuff and speculation. I think we can assume that there will be a larger map in GW2 that may bring Elona and Tyria together. not sure about cantha though. Could be an epic game. All the lore will make for an amazing story line that may be too amazing to really act out in any game. Im thining there will be one dragon or so per chapter.
Jessica Deathsbane
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I dunno. They don't call Cantha, the Dragon Empire for nothing.
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Also... Glint does not seem like it's brothers would be very formidable foes if indeed glint was part of the family of sleeping dragons.
KalleDamos
Now I have a theory. I think Cantha will have its own dragons problems. Cause if you have not been to AB lately, saltspray beach, the very middle shrine. I mean, looks like a dragon and it could very well be an acient dragon, you know. Just a theory.
angmar_nite
Yeah, formidable as the Leviathan of the deep is, I doubt its power rivals that of the ancient dragons. It may simply have grown to its present size because of the darkness of Kanaxai. Or maybe that is the size ALL leviathans are. If the latter is true, then how did it resist the taint of Kanaxai?