Petition: Fix S. Shiverpeaks for runners!
Tender Wolf
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Ultra Mega
The game is not made to be run, if you want to run it then that option is available to you but you have to put up with all the challenges that come with running. You can't really expect Anet to make an area easier just because you want to run it.
FelixCarter
Running isn't really something ANet condones or cares about. Tyria is the only campaign to have an "open gate" policy. The concept of running was "fixed" in Factions and Nightfall.
People will tell you, "If you want max armor, go to LA and transport over to Factions/Nightfall." But that's only possible if you spent the money to get the other two campaigns.
As for the 15k Druids armor, the visual appearance is what people like. The protection from monsters is just as good as any other max armor.
I doubt they will change the mobs located south of Beacons. They already changed it once to make it harder...
People will tell you, "If you want max armor, go to LA and transport over to Factions/Nightfall." But that's only possible if you spent the money to get the other two campaigns.
As for the 15k Druids armor, the visual appearance is what people like. The protection from monsters is just as good as any other max armor.
I doubt they will change the mobs located south of Beacons. They already changed it once to make it harder...
DarkGanni
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Originally Posted by Ultra Mega
The game is not made to be run, if you want to run it then that option is available to you but you have to put up with all the challenges that come with running. You can't really expect Anet to make an area easier just because you want to run it.
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Faer
Your runner friend needs to learn to play. Also, I'd suggest you learn to PARAGRAPH before I learn how to smack people over the Internet. Please reformat your post or expect this thread to... get into a terrible accident. We wouldn't want any accidents to happen, now would we?
No.. No, of course not.
No.. No, of course not.
bilateralrope
Sounds like your friend isn't that good a runner. Besides its not like you need max armour until you have reached Droks through the primary quest chain, so even if ANET completely blocked runners it wouldn't hurt GW.
Besides if ANET actually wanted people to get ran to Droks it wouldn't be players doing it. Instead we would have an NPC that takes some gold to teleport you there.
Besides if ANET actually wanted people to get ran to Droks it wouldn't be players doing it. Instead we would have an NPC that takes some gold to teleport you there.
Enko
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Originally Posted by Tender Wolf
If they don't have just the right skills, they can die and let down people unintentionally.
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Arkantos
Do you need max armor before you get to droks? No.
Was the game meant to be easily runnable? No.
Do they need to change the difficulty of this? No.
Was the game meant to be easily runnable? No.
Do they need to change the difficulty of this? No.
genofreek
As others have said, your "friend" needs to think about switching up the ol' build a little.
Know what happens when a runner dies?
They don't get paid for all that soloing they just did.
That alone should be incentive enough to look at the area they're running, look at the monsters in the area, and take a GOOD look at their build to see what's going on. Running Beacons -> Drok's isn't easy, but it's possible if you know what you're doing.
You don't need max armor to play on. It helps, but it's not a necessity. And if you want the better stuff, well... fight for it or spend your hard-earned plat to convince someone else to fight for you.
Know what happens when a runner dies?
They don't get paid for all that soloing they just did.
That alone should be incentive enough to look at the area they're running, look at the monsters in the area, and take a GOOD look at their build to see what's going on. Running Beacons -> Drok's isn't easy, but it's possible if you know what you're doing.
You don't need max armor to play on. It helps, but it's not a necessity. And if you want the better stuff, well... fight for it or spend your hard-earned plat to convince someone else to fight for you.
HawkofStorms
Yeah, seriously your friend is not that good at running or not wanting to change their build. Running is SO EASY now that we have 2 new campaigns and an expansion of skills to use. People used to make that run with the old fashioned W/Mo with balanced stance, defensive stance, sprit, charge, and endure pain.
The drok's run requires careful knowledge of the layout. You have to know
a) every aspect of your build and the effective way to use every skill
b) the spawns of the enemies so you know WHEN to use those skills
The drok's run requires careful knowledge of the layout. You have to know
a) every aspect of your build and the effective way to use every skill
b) the spawns of the enemies so you know WHEN to use those skills
CyberMesh0
Wall'o'text.
Seriously, they purposely made it harder to stop people from skipping over 3/4 of the game. What is there to fix?
Seriously, they purposely made it harder to stop people from skipping over 3/4 of the game. What is there to fix?
Div
Droks and southern shiv are easy to run. I've done it on a ranger, monk, and warrior. After you know what to do, it's really boring and easy.
Operative 14
I do support running to a certain extent, but this is to much.
As many have said, running is not an official way to play the game. Also, people make that run everyday; sometimes they make it, sometimes they don't. If anything, your friend should be appreciative of how hard it is becuase it makes it so that she is able to charge more. It sounds like, for the most part, she is able to make the run pretty often but sometimes she just gets cornered or whatever and fails.
I'm all for running, I've even had a runner do that for me once or twice (and I do think it was a female D/A so it might have been your friend
). But asking Arenanet to make that run easier seems like a step backwards in many respects. Especially since they upped the difficulty to its current level about this time last year I think by adding the wurms and such.
As many have said, running is not an official way to play the game. Also, people make that run everyday; sometimes they make it, sometimes they don't. If anything, your friend should be appreciative of how hard it is becuase it makes it so that she is able to charge more. It sounds like, for the most part, she is able to make the run pretty often but sometimes she just gets cornered or whatever and fails.
I'm all for running, I've even had a runner do that for me once or twice (and I do think it was a female D/A so it might have been your friend
). But asking Arenanet to make that run easier seems like a step backwards in many respects. Especially since they upped the difficulty to its current level about this time last year I think by adding the wurms and such.
A11Eur0
I've stopped running. I don't get paid for it, I don't do it for guildies, period. Why? Because when I try to get a group for The Wilds or Bloodstone Fen to get the bonus or get a title on a Canthan character, I can count the people there on one hand. Bloodstone Fen bonus is impossible to solo, and heroes/henchies attack the guardians. If I flag them away from the guardians, they die from the scarabs...because I put them on avoid combat.
It's a lose-lose situation.
Play the game people...it's just a couple more hours of work to get where you need to go.
It's a lose-lose situation.
Play the game people...it's just a couple more hours of work to get where you need to go.
Faer
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Originally Posted by A11Eur0
Bloodstone Fen bonus is impossible to solo
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Karia Mirniman
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Originally Posted by Faer
Your runner friend needs to learn to play. Also, I'd suggest you learn to PARAGRAPH before I learn how to smack people over the Internet. Please reformat your post or expect this thread to... get into a terrible accident. We wouldn't want any accidents to happen, now would we?
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. Now I can get on with Monday with a smile.
Holly Herro
I can 55 run all of the shiverpeaks nearly. It's not that hard.
Tender Wolf
Wow, I can't believe no one wants this changed...I thought I'd have a lot of supporters, but apparently not. I will point out that I was merely trying to help and don't appreciate getting told about not making paragraphs...and that my friend isn't a good runner. She does southern Shiverpeaks tours all the time, it's just been a while. And how can people NOT want max armor? It's for protection...OMG...
Arkantos
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Originally Posted by Tender Wolf
Wow, I can't believe no one wants this changed...I thought I'd have a lot of supporters, but apparently not. I will point out that I was merely trying to help and don't appreciate getting told about not making paragraphs...and that my friend isn't a good runner. She does southern Shiverpeaks tours all the time, it's just been a while. And how can people NOT want max armor? It's for protection...OMG...
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The game wasn't meant to be easily runnable. As you can tell, ANet fixed the mistake of running by adding locked gates and such. If anything, ANet should make running areas impossible, so lazy people like you can actually have a chance to play the game.
Guild Wars really isn't hard. If you're looking for an easy game that you can easily beat, go play something else, because Guild Wars is not for you.
Also, I am sorry to inform you, but your friend obviously isn't a good runner, seeing as many people are still very capable of making this run.
The Lurch
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Originally Posted by Tender Wolf
Wow, I can't believe no one wants this changed...I thought I'd have a lot of supporters, but apparently not. I will point out that I was merely trying to help and don't appreciate getting told about not making paragraphs...and that my friend isn't a good runner. She does southern Shiverpeaks tours all the time, it's just been a while. And how can people NOT want max armor? It's for protection...OMG...
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Age
I will say this that there needs to be an outpost in the South Side of Lornar's Pass or Dread naughts Drift.This is so a player can use lvl20 henchies to complete their GMC title and not to think of DCs.
There needs to be one in Mineral Springs for this as well.
There needs to be one in Mineral Springs for this as well.
Tender Wolf
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Originally Posted by Age
I will say this that there needs to be an outpost in the South Side of Lornar's Pass or Dread naughts Drift.This is so a player can use lvl20 henchies to complete their GMC title and not to think of DCs.
There needs to be one in Mineral Springs for this as well. |
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Originally Posted by Arkantos
The game wasn't meant to be easily runnable. As you can tell, ANet fixed the mistake of running by adding locked gates and such. If anything, ANet should make running areas impossible, so lazy people like you can actually have a chance to play the game.
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EternalTempest
Anet put that there to be challenging, and for running.
I use to think about hating runners... till about my 3rd character through the game. Play the game how you want to play.
That being said, Anet has shown to "make it challenging" and just like how Anet shakes things up to promote different builds in pvp, same applies to the Drok run.
Wait a few days, and no doubt there will be new builds posted or experiment.
I use to think about hating runners... till about my 3rd character through the game. Play the game how you want to play.
That being said, Anet has shown to "make it challenging" and just like how Anet shakes things up to promote different builds in pvp, same applies to the Drok run.
Wait a few days, and no doubt there will be new builds posted or experiment.
=HT=Ingram
IDK I like there is off the beating path areas in the game. The Falls, Lornar's Pass, Mineral springs... yadda yadda yadda... its an adventuring area... IMHO.
As to the running factor. common Prophecies has FREE max armor in the desert that people Often conveniently forget about. and a run from Ascalon to LA is pretty easy, from there you can either go to factions kaineng for max armor, or even kourna for max 1k armor in NF, or free armor in the desert via a rather easy Henchmen heroway walk to sanctum cay, and do that mission.
Point is most do not need to get run, but choose to cause they do not want to play. I suppose thats within their right to do it, but its not like Anet wants it done either... I think thats apparent by the locked gates in Factions and NF, and the optional grind requirements for armors in GW:EN.
I will point out that you can get runs into Vabbi for armors from Kourna through the desolation with little effort. But its never been that big a deal for it to happen. Why? cause gee wiz there just is no reason to do it. Now when they offer 1k a piece max armor in kourna... Get that and then save up for what you want later... No biggy.
The concept of a RUN someplace or a ferry is not dead. it still happens, but the demand for such things have been drastically reduced with the inception of every chapter and now expansion. I think thats a good thing myself. the more options you have the less people get exploited.
As to the running factor. common Prophecies has FREE max armor in the desert that people Often conveniently forget about. and a run from Ascalon to LA is pretty easy, from there you can either go to factions kaineng for max armor, or even kourna for max 1k armor in NF, or free armor in the desert via a rather easy Henchmen heroway walk to sanctum cay, and do that mission.
Point is most do not need to get run, but choose to cause they do not want to play. I suppose thats within their right to do it, but its not like Anet wants it done either... I think thats apparent by the locked gates in Factions and NF, and the optional grind requirements for armors in GW:EN.
I will point out that you can get runs into Vabbi for armors from Kourna through the desolation with little effort. But its never been that big a deal for it to happen. Why? cause gee wiz there just is no reason to do it. Now when they offer 1k a piece max armor in kourna... Get that and then save up for what you want later... No biggy.
The concept of a RUN someplace or a ferry is not dead. it still happens, but the demand for such things have been drastically reduced with the inception of every chapter and now expansion. I think thats a good thing myself. the more options you have the less people get exploited.
EternalTempest
Desert is not max armor. Notice how they put duplicate npc collector (giving the same items) in desert and shiver peaks, as well as duplicate elite skill monsters for camping.
My feelings, you should do it once the "proper" way, after that, it's up to you.
My feelings, you should do it once the "proper" way, after that, it's up to you.
gameshoes3003
ANET did make the run to Droks and the Grotto harder...
Mind Freeze used to have a 20 second recharge time as you can see in the still unupdated skills list here at Guild Wars Guru.
Now it's an 8 second recharge.
Though making runs harder to droks may not have been unintentional, it still does effect it.
And I must tell you, I'm terible at running so I get raped by ice imps. lol.
Mind Freeze used to have a 20 second recharge time as you can see in the still unupdated skills list here at Guild Wars Guru.
Now it's an 8 second recharge.
Though making runs harder to droks may not have been unintentional, it still does effect it.
And I must tell you, I'm terible at running so I get raped by ice imps. lol.
Alex Morningstar
While we're at it, why not make Anet make characters to do the runs for us?
Antheus
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All my other characters disagree on the bonus not being doable with henchies.
Hint: there's a don't attack mode.
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Though making runs harder to droks may not have been unintentional, it still does effect it. And I must tell you, I'm terible at running so I get raped by ice imps. lol. |
Random Monk
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OMG finally! Someone who agrees with me! Fine, if they don't make the areas easier, why not add more outposts?
I don't appreciate being called lazy...FYI, I have beaten the game. But armor is needed. Not my fault the only good max ranger armor is in the Southern Shiverpeaks. Max armor is more protection. If you don't think so, whatever. But that doesn't mean you have to bash me for speaking my mind. I live in America - freedom of speech. |
Also I disagree with more outposts. The majority of areas without a connecting outpost aren't too hard to get to. I can't think of one that is actually too challenging, Dreadnaught's was the hardest, and even that was not that bad.
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Originally Posted by Age
I will say this that there needs to be an outpost in the South Side of Lornar's Pass or Dread naughts Drift.This is so a player can use lvl20 henchies to complete their GMC title and not to think of DCs.
There needs to be one in Mineral Springs for this as well. |
Had Reconnects not been put in the game, I'd be slightly more likely to sign.
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Originally Posted by EternalTempest
Desert is not max armor. Notice how they put duplicate npc collector (giving the same items) in desert and shiver peaks, as well as duplicate elite skill monsters for camping.
My feelings, you should do it once the "proper" way, after that, it's up to you. |
And I agree, the first time should be done properly.
bilateralrope
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Originally Posted by Tender Wolf
I don't appreciate being called lazy...FYI, I have beaten the game. But armor is needed.
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Originally Posted by =HT=Ingram
common Prophecies has FREE max armor in the desert that people Often conveniently forget about.
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Originally Posted by gameshoes3003
ANET did make the run to Droks and the Grotto harder...
Mind Freeze used to have a 20 second recharge time as you can see in the still unupdated skills list here at Guild Wars Guru. Now it's an 8 second recharge. Though making runs harder to droks may not have been unintentional, it still does effect it. And I must tell you, I'm terible at running so I get raped by ice imps. lol. |
Arkantos
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| I don't appreciate being called lazy...FYI, I have beaten the game. But armor is needed. Not my fault the only good max ranger armor is in the Southern Shiverpeaks. Max armor is more protection. If you don't think so, whatever. But that doesn't mean you have to bash me for speaking my mind. I live in America - freedom of speech. |
Do you want to know why max armor is in the southern shiverpeaks? Because it's not needed before it. How do you think the people managed without it when there were no runners? How do you think people who actually play the game manage without max armor?
I'm not bashing you, I'm disagreeing with you. May I ask why you're bringing up freedom of speech? Last time I checked this is guru, not the US.
Age
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Originally Posted by =HT=Ingram
IDK I like there is off the beating path areas in the game. The Falls, Lornar's Pass, Mineral springs... yadda yadda yadda... its an adventuring area... IMHO.
As to the running factor. common Prophecies has FREE max armor in the desert that people Often conveniently forget about. and a run from Ascalon to LA is pretty easy, from there you can either go to factions kaineng for max armor, or even kourna for max 1k armor in NF, or free armor in the desert via a rather easy Henchmen heroway walk to sanctum cay, and do that mission. Point is most do not need to get run, but choose to cause they do not want to play. I suppose thats within their right to do it, but its not like Anet wants it done either... I think thats apparent by the locked gates in Factions and NF, and the optional grind requirements for armors in GW:EN. I will point out that you can get runs into Vabbi for armors from Kourna through the desolation with little effort. But its never been that big a deal for it to happen. Why? cause gee wiz there just is no reason to do it. Now when they offer 1k a piece max armor in kourna... Get that and then save up for what you want later... No biggy. The concept of a RUN someplace or a ferry is not dead. it still happens, but the demand for such things have been drastically reduced with the inception of every chapter and now expansion. I think thats a good thing myself. the more options you have the less people get exploited. |
Antheus
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| I don't appreciate being called lazy...FYI, I have beaten the game. But armor is needed. Not my fault the only good max ranger armor is in the Southern Shiverpeaks. Max armor is more protection. If you don't think so, whatever. |
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darkknightkain
I for one would like Beacon's Perch to be made into party size of 8 and with lv20 henchmens; so to make it just as possible to "fight your way to Camp Rankor/War Camp" on my own with any typical Heroes/Hench team setting.
Age
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You can get max armor in places other than the South Shivers (as you show), but some areas of the game were designed to be played with non-max armor. Better protection is nice, but not necessary until the South Shiverpeaks.
Also I disagree with more outposts. The majority of areas without a connecting outpost aren't too hard to get to. I can't think of one that is actually too challenging, Dreadnaught's was the hardest, and even that was not that bad. Reconnects are back, so DCs are not much of a problem. Basically an outpost there would only save time or provide a space for vanquishers to clear any DP without using items. GMC and Skill Hunter in Tyria are not difficult to get with Heroes and Henchies, same with the majority of skill caps. Had Reconnects not been put in the game, I'd be slightly more likely to sign. Desert is max with the condition that you can't use Insignias. And I agree, the first time should be done properly. |
@Arkantos.How to you expect some who is at lvl 17 + to compete in RA when they get to LA they have The Battle Islands to go to instead of Yaks Bend Arena?They need Droks if Prophecies only to be competive.
Arkantos
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Age
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This is why ANet made PvP characters.
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Arkantos
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Originally Posted by Age
That is when you are 50% UAXed.
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Tender Wolf
hehe Well the main thing I like about Prophecies is that it has the best armor for some professions (in my opinon) and the fact that you can come back to a mission and complete ONLY the bonus later. But other than that, I don't really care for it. It's my least favorite campaign and storyline. That's why I didn't really want to have to get through it to get the armor.
HawkofStorms
I love the OP claiming he has the "right to free speech" but then saying we don't have the right to free speech to shoot him down.
Anyway, can a mod just close this. The OP is just being arguementive and there is nothing constructive here.
Anyway, can a mod just close this. The OP is just being arguementive and there is nothing constructive here.