Capture signet now sucks..
wolfwing
Just now grabbed it so that I could capture a skill and while I realize that it's a PVE only skill...anyone else find it stupid that it counts for one of your three PVE skills? Kinda put a dent in my build that lose 1 skill from switching secondary jobs and 1 skill due to only 2 other PVE's allowed.
EternalTempest
Agree, not sure why they changed it this late in the game (with the final expansion for gw1 out). It's a good thing my ele as 100% of all normal and elite skills on her.
Malice Black
It's to stop PvE skill abuse when capping I guess.
Makes no difference to me, don't use many PvE skills.
Makes no difference to me, don't use many PvE skills.
wolfwing
Well right now I use the Kurzick/SS skills for my dervish *or remove kuzick for LOD if I'm dungeon hopping* and Finish him. This is relaly going to be a pain as I was planning on getting the elite skill title at some point for my dervish.
TheRaven
I haven't been using more than 1 or 2 PVE skills at the most so that's not a problem for me. Hey, a month ago you didn't even have them so adjust! Are you telling me your dervish was unable to cope a month ago?
However, I have another gripe with the Cap Sig. When I get back to town now the new capped elite stays and my normal elite is kicked from the bar. That's new and annoying!
However, I have another gripe with the Cap Sig. When I get back to town now the new capped elite stays and my normal elite is kicked from the bar. That's new and annoying!
wolfwing
Well the point is that the capture signet really isn't going to be all that useful most times, and really is a pain when working on the title.
toon-a-loon
I'm really confused on what your whining about.
Yanman.be
It's PvE, who cares about balance? Remove the 3 skill limit
lg5000
Confused... does that mean you can only use 3 pve only skills at any one time? And capture of signet has always replaced 1 skill on your skill bar.. can you still run 6 of them in perdition rock?
Also, move the signet to the other side of where your elite is sitting and it won't kick your current elite, unless that got changed too.. haven't capped anything in a while due to spending gold on armor and having maxed out the skill hunter title.
Also, move the signet to the other side of where your elite is sitting and it won't kick your current elite, unless that got changed too.. haven't capped anything in a while due to spending gold on armor and having maxed out the skill hunter title.
Darkobra
There's a 3 PVE skill limit on your bar. Sunspear rebirth signet and capture signet counts as two.
Inger
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Confused... does that mean you can only use 3 pve only skills at any one time? And capture of signet has always replaced 1 skill on your skill bar.. can you still run 6 of them in perdition rock?
Also, move the signet to the other side of where your elite is sitting and it won't kick your current elite, unless that got changed too.. haven't capped anything in a while due to spending gold on armor and having maxed out the skill hunter title. |
They seemed to have changed it so now the elite on the right side of ur bar remains while the left is kicked... frustrating as i've always had my elite on the left.
Chicken Ftw
Do you really need three PvE skills on your bar at the same time? o.o
Loviatar
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wolfie???
cap it and zone back to town and put your precious 3rd one back on and sheeshh
Coloneh
the three limit is VERY easy to reach when cap sig and rebirth sig both count.
Crom The Pale
I think the limit is not needed.
I've never wanted to run 8 pve only skills, but I have wanted to use the rebirth signet in combo with 3 or 4 other pve skills.
As a war I like running the Whirling attack + "I am the Strongest" + Urasa Blessing. With the limit I can't add the sunspear signet to this combo or the "Save Yourself" shout.
It's bad enough that Urasa Blessing is an elite, with the three pve limit I'm really restrained in what I want to run.
3 seams to be Anets favorite number - 3chapters - 3heros(out of 25) -3elites in GW:EN(why no dwarf/asura/vanguard elites?)
I've never wanted to run 8 pve only skills, but I have wanted to use the rebirth signet in combo with 3 or 4 other pve skills.
As a war I like running the Whirling attack + "I am the Strongest" + Urasa Blessing. With the limit I can't add the sunspear signet to this combo or the "Save Yourself" shout.
It's bad enough that Urasa Blessing is an elite, with the three pve limit I'm really restrained in what I want to run.
3 seams to be Anets favorite number - 3chapters - 3heros(out of 25) -3elites in GW:EN(why no dwarf/asura/vanguard elites?)
TwinRaven
Quit yer whining....back when my character was brand-spanking-new, we had to cap skills while the boss was using it! A dead boss meant you had to re-run the mission and hope to catch it next time....sheesh....kids today.
psycore
hehe i remember trying to cap barrage off markis like that
"DONT KILL HIM"
"DONT KILL HIM"
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"Ah SH..."
Do Iron Mines AGAIN
"DONT KILL HIM"
"DONT KILL HIM"
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"Ah SH..."
Do Iron Mines AGAIN
Chicken Ftw
It's old-timer time eh. Fame sticks! rawr.
Sekkira
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Quit yer whining....back when my character was brand-spanking-new, we had to cap skills while the boss was using it! A dead boss meant you had to re-run the mission and hope to catch it next time....sheesh....kids today.
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RPGmaniac
So how on earth were you supposed to cap a stance? Was it even possible?
And to the OP: there is a giant list of normal skills for you to use. Find a couple and use THEM instead of relying on PvE skills.
And to the OP: there is a giant list of normal skills for you to use. Find a couple and use THEM instead of relying on PvE skills.
Sekkira
Oh, back then stances didn't show as being used, so you had to guess 
RPGmaniac
*shudder* Glad I wasn't far enough in the game back then, hehe.
Also, what are fame sticks?
Also, what are fame sticks?
ValaOfTheFens
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And to the OP: there is a giant list of normal skills for you to use. Find a couple and use THEM instead of relying on PvE skills.
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None of the GWEN PvE skills really wowed me. I enjoyed the blessing skills alot but I never used any of the other PvE skills.
Sekkira
To be honest, I don't care whether SoC takes up the PvE skill slot. In fact, it should. It limits things a bit for everyone. Not only does it give you only 7 skills to work with on your bar, it takes away one of your imba pve skills.
PvE skills were placed in to slightly offset the imbalance to the massively overpowered monsters but would be imba in competitive play. Even then, they're not exactly required. If it's so hard that you truly believe you need 3 PvE skills to beat it, you're doing something horribly wrong.
PvE skills were placed in to slightly offset the imbalance to the massively overpowered monsters but would be imba in competitive play. Even then, they're not exactly required. If it's so hard that you truly believe you need 3 PvE skills to beat it, you're doing something horribly wrong.
Onarik Amrak
If you're only going out there to cap a skill, it's not big deal.
But, if you were just exploring hoping to cap a good skill at random, then I can see a problem... (Haven't done that myself since Prophecies.)
I can see how it's inconvenient though. Especially for SS Rebirth Signet. Probably never gonna use it again.
But, if you were just exploring hoping to cap a good skill at random, then I can see a problem... (Haven't done that myself since Prophecies.)
I can see how it's inconvenient though. Especially for SS Rebirth Signet. Probably never gonna use it again.
Engel the Fallen
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Oh, back then stances didn't show as being used, so you had to guess
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kazjun
Don't think its that bad. You hardly need 3 pve skills if you're just capping. Run there, kill, map back to town and stick your other skill back in. Stops you having 3 pve skills and 2+ elites...
Besides, is it so bad to take the res sig instead of the sunspear sig?
Besides, is it so bad to take the res sig instead of the sunspear sig?
MirkoTeran
If you need more then 3 PvE skills you need to revise your build or learn to play.
nunix
Yeah, cos who the heck would want to just use the crazy cool pve skills for fun? -.-
Targren
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Yeah, cos who the heck would want to just use the crazy cool pve skills for fun? -.-
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Fun, indeed.
Mordakai
It's a game mechanic, like limiting builds to one Elite.
You have to chose amoung all your PvE skills for the best ones. That's always been part of the Guild Wars experience.
And of course Sunspear Sig counts, as mentioned, it's better than reg rez. If you want to use it, it will cost a PvE slot. These are choices you must make...
You have to chose amoung all your PvE skills for the best ones. That's always been part of the Guild Wars experience.
And of course Sunspear Sig counts, as mentioned, it's better than reg rez. If you want to use it, it will cost a PvE slot. These are choices you must make...
quickmonty
Dang! No more 4 SOC in skill bar going out to cap in Perdition.
Vahn Roi
Boo hoo. You carry a cap sig for what, 5 minutes?
Diddy bow
Imagine if their was no limit for a sec. Abbadon would be the new shing jea practice arena and there would be almost no variation in builds, and your skills would be inferior. The limit is good, not too much not to little. Stop whinning about carrying a rez sig lol. You keep it on a bar for about 3 minites to cap from a boss and thats it... 
quickmonty
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Originally Posted by Diddy bow
Imagine if their was no limit for a sec. Abbadon would be the new shing jea practice arena and there would be almost no variation in builds, and your skills would be inferior. The limit is good, not too much not to little. Stop whinning about carrying a rez sig lol. You keep it on a bar for about 3 minites to cap from a boss and thats it...
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Originally Posted by Vahn Roi
Boo hoo. You carry a cap sig for what, 5 minutes?
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I do agree that the 3 PvE only skills is a reasonable limit, but this "only for so long" argument isn't valid.
King's Spectre
I've no problem with the 3-skill limit, but I think the signet of capture inclusion may have been on oversight.
I only time this comes into play at all for me is on my characters going for a title. I often run 2 sigs and the wrong secondary so it's a (small) pain.
I only time this comes into play at all for me is on my characters going for a title. I often run 2 sigs and the wrong secondary so it's a (small) pain.
Mordakai
The sig. of capture most likely will become an Elite.
3 PvE skills OR 4 Elites OR a combination of both.
Doesn't sound unreasonable.
3 PvE skills OR 4 Elites OR a combination of both.
Doesn't sound unreasonable.
Wildi
bs & move this to game bugs
bobrath
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The sig. of capture most likely will become an Elite.
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4 elites on a skill bar? That's not at all unbalanced!
Seriously, just make the cap sig not included in the 3 PvE skill limitation and this entire problem goes away.