12 Sep 2007 at 17:51 - 6
That wasn't my point. I know how assasin's promise works and I didn't say that your skill setup isn't effective.
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Best of all, the Rit can no longer be excluded from any party as long as the party leader is not a moran and knows how useful the new PvE skills can be.
My point is that you use non-rit elite to recharge non rit-exclusive skills. Yes, its good mix but it hardly makes Rit class bettter or more enjoyable.
12 Sep 2007 at 20:06 - 7
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Originally Posted by akh
That wasn't my point. I know how assasin's promise works and I didn't say that your skill setup isn't effective.
My point is that you use non-rit elite to recharge non rit-exclusive skills. Yes, its good mix but it hardly makes Rit class bettter or more enjoyable.
No.. Definitely not better. When I was talking about "usefulness" I meant that thanx to new PvE skills the Rit can find a place in more PUGs. That doesn't mean that the Rit class itself is somehow made better or more useful. It means that those who have a Rit, and cant find a good use for their skills or are simply bored with the way a Ritualist is played, now have something new to try.
More enjoyable? Well, maybe until you get bored with the new PvE skills? 
Like I said, I was actually having some fun recently which is not typical for me these days. The constant spirit dependence really killed it for me.
12 Sep 2007 at 22:02 - 8
you state anet are neglected by anet because because of constant nerfs when infact that is quite the opposite as it shows how much attention they bring to the devs. Also i believe Rts have some of the best armour in the game and would prefer to play a Rt as intended.
you may not enjoy it, but some people do like playing Rt for the use of spirits+weapon spells.
12 Sep 2007 at 23:51 - 9
All this really comes across as is an underhanded swipe at Rits, if you don't like them or find them enjoyable, ok; as has been stated the Rit build does nothing to really influence the new PvE only skills particularly when combined with an Assassin Elite.
You are letting your opinion of the "lack of anything good for Rits" overrule any possible proper judgment on it
13 Sep 2007 at 00:53 - 10
Why would I ever need the OP's idea when the Ritualist is already great?
13 Sep 2007 at 03:08 - 11
How did this turn into a thread where we argue about the Rit usefulness and greatness? Look guys.. Whether you agree or not, there are many people that think the Rit is indeed neglected, crippled and not well thought out class. My "non original" idea is meant for those people so they can have some fun without deleting their Rit just because they are bored with a Rit as a class.
This thread is not designed to whine about how I'm unhappy with the Rit. This is not my intent at all. I've already done that in the past.
I emphasized the "neglect", "nerfs" and boredom to accentuate the main idea here... A change of pace for those who had enough of the Rit class the way it is at the moment.
Why are some people still arguing the fact that Assasins promise doesnt bring anything new to the Rit class? By new you mean exactly what? The "new" factor here is a "new" play style! Assasin's promise is NOT changing the Rit, it is not making the Rit a new class! It is meant to bring something new and fun to the table for those that never heard of Assasin's promise used in this way. For those that know about this already, it's nothing new off course, but then what are you even doing replying to this thread?
Maybe we are arguing for the sake of arguing?
13 Sep 2007 at 09:57 - 12
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How did this turn into a thread where we argue about the Rit usefulness and greatness? Look guys.. Whether you agree or not, there are many people that think the Rit is indeed neglected, crippled and not well thought out class. My "non original" idea is meant for those people so they can have some fun without deleting their Rit just because they are bored with a Rit as a class.
This thread is not designed to whine about how I'm unhappy with the Rit. This is not my intent at all. I've already done that in the past.
I emphasized the "neglect", "nerfs" and boredom to accentuate the main idea here... A change of pace for those who had enough of the Rit class the way it is at the moment.
Why are some people still arguing the fact that Assasins promise doesnt bring anything new to the Rit class? By new you mean exactly what? The "new" factor here is a "new" play style! Assasin's promise is NOT changing the Rit, it is not making the Rit a new class! It is meant to bring something new and fun to the table for those that never heard of Assasin's promise used in this way. For those that know about this already, it's nothing new off course, but then what are you even doing replying to this thread?
Maybe we are arguing for the sake of arguing? 
Despite what you think though, many people believe the Rt is a decent and fun profession to play and those who dont simply don't play one, not use skills from a different profession so they can play a Rt just for how it looks (which you also stated you dont like).
So to people here, what you posted makes no sense whatsoever as it can be done by any profession, and in the case of the assassin even more efficiently.
If you don't like ritualists so much then why do you insist on playing one, especially not as a Rt?
13 Sep 2007 at 12:07 - 13
The reason why people don't think Rit is useful is lack of cookie cutter builds for them. Necros have their SS and MM, Eles = SFers 90% of the time. PUG players don't know what to expect from Rit as the only cookie cutter build (spirit spammer) has been nerfed. I may enjoy playing my channeling/resto hybrid (SW, ancestor's + party-wide heals and condition removal) but I know I won't be welcomed in average PUG party. New PvE skills hardly change anything unless it becomes cookie cutter build, thats what PUGs expect from any class.
25 Sep 2007 at 13:02 - 14
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Despite what you think though, many people believe the Rt is a decent and fun profession to play and those who dont simply don't play one, not use skills from a different profession so they can play a Rt just for how it looks (which you also stated you dont like).
So to people here, what you posted makes no sense whatsoever as it can be done by any profession, and in the case of the assassin even more efficiently.
If you don't like ritualists so much then why do you insist on playing one, especially not as a Rt?
and despite what you think, many OTHER people are not as happy with their Rits.
Did I say that what I described here CANT be done by any profession? Please, show me where I said that! What I meant is, those rits who are not happy with the way things are can benefit from something new. Something that for "cookie cutter" professions/builds simply isn't necessary nor wanted.
I didn't say I don't like my Rit. I said I want having any more fun with him. I'd be glad to try a new profession, but I put too much time and effort into this toon. Starting all those titles over on another one would be a waste of time, an an immense grind. I'm trying NOT to spend more than 2-3 hours in GW per day so I really don't have the time or desire to start over.
Either way, I ask that a mod please close this thread because it didn't receive any positive comments, therefore it has no place here. Thank you.
14 Oct 2007 at 03:25 - 15
I am totally confused. If you are a primary Rit, how can you use an elite from another profession (heroes can of course). Or did I miss an important update somewhere that says you can? I don't see any elites in my drop downs from other professions except those of Ritualists, so you can imagine my confusion.
14 Oct 2007 at 03:50 - 16
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I am totally confused. If you are a primary Rit, how can you use an elite from another profession (heroes can of course). Or did I miss an important update somewhere that says you can? I don't see any elites in my drop downs from other professions except those of Ritualists, so you can imagine my confusion.
Anybody can use elites of other proffessions. That is possible because of secondary proffesions. A Ritualist can choose the secondary of Assassin and have all of the assassin skills available to them; including elites.
This means that a Ritualist can use Assassin's Promise, because they are Rt/A. They simply cap it, and put points into Deadly Arts.
Of course, it is important to mention that you cannot put points into the primary attribute of your secondary profession. This means a Ritualist cannot put points into Critical Strikes, because that is the Assassin's primary attribute.
14 Oct 2007 at 04:05 - 17
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Anybody can use elites of other proffessions. That is possible because of secondary proffesions. A Ritualist can choose the secondary of Assassin and have all of the assassin skills available to them; including elites.
This means that a Ritualist can use Assassin's Promise, because they are Rt/A. They simply cap it, and put points into Deadly Arts.
Of course, it is important to mention that you cannot put points into the primary attribute of your secondary profession. This means a Ritualist cannot put points into Critical Strikes, because that is the Assassin's primary attribute.
I have capped many elites for my heroes, but they never appear in my list of available skills for me - only for the heroes who have that profession primary or secondary. I figured it was an extra for heroes ANet gave them because heroes can't have PvE skills. I have 8 different toons, and never have I seen an elite from a profession available to me when it was a secondary profession.
Dear lord, I've been playing for 2 years and this is the first time I've heard of such a thing. I'm going to redo the screen to see if they show, and if not, I am sending in a note! grrr
21 Oct 2007 at 09:44 - 18
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Why would I ever need the OP's idea when the Ritualist is already great?
I agree, Rits are awsome the way they are. Didnt you try a spiker build in PvE? I'm making my way through GW:EN, finished the Norn and Ebon vanguards quests without partying with other players once. All you need are a few tanks (Koss and a henchie do great) to hold foes off while you spam rifts all over.
Definitely not a neglected/nerfed profession like you mentioned.
And about your idea, using non-rit related skills kinda makes the whole thing pointless. (I think someone mentioned this as well in the thread). Wouldnt it be better to just use an assasin for this kind of build?
But otherwise, kudos on trying a new approach (even if it wasnt your idea).
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