Devona WTF????
OlMurraniKasale
I love the "We rezzed! Let's run back across the mobs inbetween to go fight the beast that killed us! Damn the monsters in the way, I want REVENGE!" henchie mentality.
xcenic
my olia never use the combo: echo+ss anymore!!! hes so damn idiot now!! whit out mention the time he "echo the blood is power"...man!! wtf hell is going on whit the Ai??
and about devona...dude i just make one solution for that: "dont take devona or talon heach again" or untill Anet dont Fix they Brain.
and since were talking about Ai: is me or give mhelo deliverance elite was the worst Idea ever since Faction Edition??
healer heachy realy sux this time, i miss the Nf Monks heach...they really have one 100000000 IQ!
and about devona...dude i just make one solution for that: "dont take devona or talon heach again" or untill Anet dont Fix they Brain.
and since were talking about Ai: is me or give mhelo deliverance elite was the worst Idea ever since Faction Edition??
healer heachy realy sux this time, i miss the Nf Monks heach...they really have one 100000000 IQ!
Croco Clouds
Zhed and Mhenlo can take a break from being yelled!
Edit: Grammar lol
Edit: Grammar lol
SuperDave
I hate Lina so very, very much. She gets hit by some melee, and starts to kite. Now, she kites all over the place, and neglects the whole team while doing so. She usually ends up right in the middle of all the little red dots. I try to get close enough to her just to hear her dying screams... you deserve it you dumb cow
I believe hero/hench have been out on a few drinking binges with Kilroy ><
I believe hero/hench have been out on a few drinking binges with Kilroy ><
Lord Natural
H&H are more aggressive if they are set to attack instead of guard, making them more prone to chase things beyond your agro range. This can be helped by setting your heroes to guard instead of attack, but there's no such function to change hench behavior. The best thing you can do is aggressively call targets, so the hench doesn't have an opportunity to select its own targets.
Corwin_Andros
Thankfully I've only had an occasional problem with Devona doing the Leeroy thing and she's always pretty good about coming back to the flag if I set one.
I did have to put Dunkoro on an unpaid leave of absence though. I took him out the other night and the bastage refused to res me even though I flagged him right on top of me and keyed his rez skill with me as the target. I ended up having to flag him over to where the prot henchie was also dead.. far far away and let him rez her and then SHE rezzed me. I guess Dunk's issue was that she was dead, she had a higher priority than I did regardless of the fact that I told him to do otherwise.
My biggest gripe though has to be Mhenlo. I dunno if it is some sort of joke by Anet, but he seriously get's stupid around female enemies. I had to restart Ruins of Morah a few times the other night because Mhenlo was apparently trying to put the make on Varesh while the rest of us were right where I put the flag up near the gate. He seems to have similar issues at times around any mob that has a "female" in it, regardless of species.
I know he's like the Mac Daddy Pimp of GW, but damn.. save that crap for when you are in town, Dude!
I did have to put Dunkoro on an unpaid leave of absence though. I took him out the other night and the bastage refused to res me even though I flagged him right on top of me and keyed his rez skill with me as the target. I ended up having to flag him over to where the prot henchie was also dead.. far far away and let him rez her and then SHE rezzed me. I guess Dunk's issue was that she was dead, she had a higher priority than I did regardless of the fact that I told him to do otherwise.
My biggest gripe though has to be Mhenlo. I dunno if it is some sort of joke by Anet, but he seriously get's stupid around female enemies. I had to restart Ruins of Morah a few times the other night because Mhenlo was apparently trying to put the make on Varesh while the rest of us were right where I put the flag up near the gate. He seems to have similar issues at times around any mob that has a "female" in it, regardless of species.
I know he's like the Mac Daddy Pimp of GW, but damn.. save that crap for when you are in town, Dude!
Corwin_Andros
Double post thanks to the net.. blah
gloria vander belt
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Originally Posted by FelixCarter
Welcome to Hard Mode. 
Optional? No. Well Hard Mode isnt available for GW:EotN 'YET', so its not welcome to hard mode, and as for being optional, it soon will be!!
Optional? No. Well Hard Mode isnt available for GW:EotN 'YET', so its not welcome to hard mode, and as for being optional, it soon will be!!
gloria vander belt
[QUOTE=xcenic]and about devona...dude i just make one solution for that: "dont take devona or talon heach again" or untill Anet dont Fix they Brain.[QUOTE]
easy enough said but what am i gonna do for a tank in the meantime?
i play as a warrior, i use 2 necros(mainly) and 1 monk as my heros or, 1 necro 1 monk and 1 ele or, 1 mesmers(gwen) 1 monk and 1 ele, the rest are made up of henchies.
oh and just to make shore Prophecies henchies were working i successfully did glint in hard mode today/yesterday(see Glint Defeated Thread) and did not have 1 problem with the henchies, but am having the same problem in Night Falls and GW:EotN and i also had no problem with Devona in Factions at all either, so its only Night Falls and GW:EotN
P.S I'm having no problems with my heros(any of them), although i did notice tahlkora(who is set to flight) did not heal me until i was very close to death but kept rest healed(mehnlo was dying like crazy), Oh and i have noticed(always have) Mehnlo has always sucked, not 1 campaign he has been good in, atleast alesia was a good monk(in prophecies)
easy enough said but what am i gonna do for a tank in the meantime?
i play as a warrior, i use 2 necros(mainly) and 1 monk as my heros or, 1 necro 1 monk and 1 ele or, 1 mesmers(gwen) 1 monk and 1 ele, the rest are made up of henchies.
oh and just to make shore Prophecies henchies were working i successfully did glint in hard mode today/yesterday(see Glint Defeated Thread) and did not have 1 problem with the henchies, but am having the same problem in Night Falls and GW:EotN and i also had no problem with Devona in Factions at all either, so its only Night Falls and GW:EotN
P.S I'm having no problems with my heros(any of them), although i did notice tahlkora(who is set to flight) did not heal me until i was very close to death but kept rest healed(mehnlo was dying like crazy), Oh and i have noticed(always have) Mehnlo has always sucked, not 1 campaign he has been good in, atleast alesia was a good monk(in prophecies)
vergerefosh
To the above, I believe 'twas a joke
Anyhoo, I don't use Devona anymore, use Gehraz or Talon, not done much factions or proph for some time, as she'd insist on running around and aggroing people when I was going in completely the opposite direction, then coming to show off what she'd caught, and the people had been peaceful till she came along.
However, I have had to revise my opinion of Mhenlo slightly. Still don't like him, but he did a godo job with Tahlkora keeping me alive against a mob of about 10, with some rez in it, so whilst I still don't like him as a "person" I've grown to respect his ability. Slightly
Anyhoo, I don't use Devona anymore, use Gehraz or Talon, not done much factions or proph for some time, as she'd insist on running around and aggroing people when I was going in completely the opposite direction, then coming to show off what she'd caught, and the people had been peaceful till she came along.
However, I have had to revise my opinion of Mhenlo slightly. Still don't like him, but he did a godo job with Tahlkora keeping me alive against a mob of about 10, with some rez in it, so whilst I still don't like him as a "person" I've grown to respect his ability. Slightly
OlMurraniKasale
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Jaceb
Mhenlo makes a great tank, sometimes. It's really.. fun to watch. usually cornered by a huge mob trying to gank him. I just had this happen again in the golem dungeon. Last time it happened i remember thinking to myself "Damn he's tanking more than both warriors combined.".
When i was messing around with Varesh (HM) she KO'd mhenlo first, twice.
When i was messing around with Varesh (HM) she KO'd mhenlo first, twice.
Cyan Rhae
I play with h/h all the time, vanquishing or dungeons like Slaver's.
True, they play a bit differently now, micromanagement and a lot of flagging can be important and they seem to react a lot faster.
I often get the impression that they are a little bit messed up cos they still have some old orders in theyre head, simply give them a new order.
If a lot of people are complaining about them then they might be broken but i personally like the way they play now and maybe a-net intended it this way?
True, they play a bit differently now, micromanagement and a lot of flagging can be important and they seem to react a lot faster.
I often get the impression that they are a little bit messed up cos they still have some old orders in theyre head, simply give them a new order.
If a lot of people are complaining about them then they might be broken but i personally like the way they play now and maybe a-net intended it this way?
Vinraith
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Zahr Dalsk
Mhenlo has evidently cleared his skill bar of everything except his res spell. I watch him standing there doing nothing and making Tahlkora do all the work. One battle, instead of fighting I just targeted Mhenlo to see what spells he was casting.
He didn't cast anything.
(On a side note he also seems to think he's a pimp, which I disagree with.)
He didn't cast anything.
(On a side note he also seems to think he's a pimp, which I disagree with.)
Phantom Gun
I pretty much stopped using warrior henchies/heros all together except when the mission requires one. I think the last straw was when I was heading towards the next mob and noticed a little green dot on my mini map running in the exact opposite direction. Needless to say a roaming mob followed the henchie back to us and we got attacked from both sides.
I fired Dunkoro to. Xandra now resides in the healing spot. I got tired of watching Dunkoro stand around and pick his noes all day. The problem with Xandra is she heals all the time unless I disable certain spells or keep moving, but at least she's doing something.
I'm happy with olias though. He's a great MM. Vekk isn't bad, and even though Zhed likes to roam, he manages to hold is own. Well for me at least.
I fired Dunkoro to. Xandra now resides in the healing spot. I got tired of watching Dunkoro stand around and pick his noes all day. The problem with Xandra is she heals all the time unless I disable certain spells or keep moving, but at least she's doing something.
I'm happy with olias though. He's a great MM. Vekk isn't bad, and even though Zhed likes to roam, he manages to hold is own. Well for me at least.
gloria vander belt
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Originally Posted by Cyan Rhae
I play with h/h all the time, vanquishing or dungeons like Slaver's.
True, they play a bit differently now, micromanagement and a lot of flagging can be important and they seem to react a lot faster.
I often get the impression that they are a little bit messed up cos they still have some old orders in theyre head, simply give them a new order.
If a lot of people are complaining about them then they might be broken but i personally like the way they play now and maybe a-net intended it this way?
I do not think Arena Net intended for ur henchie to be fighting a MOB, and for no reason(didnt switch target) she(devona)/he(talon) will run 2cm out of aggro and lure another mob back(from 1 order of fighting the closest monk in the 1 st mob E.T.C)
and i deffinaitely dont think that arena net intended on henchies/hero's pulling Mob's(way out of aggro) for no reason, after promising for so long they were gonna fix mobbing from happening (accidental mobbing)...but it seems for no reason either devona or silverwing will get a new mob out of no where, or a new mob will be a way distant away, soon as u touch a mob(far from the other mob) the distant mob runs in and mobs u, even when its atleast an aggro bubbles away from the patrol area/spot!!!
i think there may be a few bugs and glitches A-Net may need to mop up, so lets all get them a dust broom.....
True, they play a bit differently now, micromanagement and a lot of flagging can be important and they seem to react a lot faster.
I often get the impression that they are a little bit messed up cos they still have some old orders in theyre head, simply give them a new order.
If a lot of people are complaining about them then they might be broken but i personally like the way they play now and maybe a-net intended it this way?
I do not think Arena Net intended for ur henchie to be fighting a MOB, and for no reason(didnt switch target) she(devona)/he(talon) will run 2cm out of aggro and lure another mob back(from 1 order of fighting the closest monk in the 1 st mob E.T.C)
and i deffinaitely dont think that arena net intended on henchies/hero's pulling Mob's(way out of aggro) for no reason, after promising for so long they were gonna fix mobbing from happening (accidental mobbing)...but it seems for no reason either devona or silverwing will get a new mob out of no where, or a new mob will be a way distant away, soon as u touch a mob(far from the other mob) the distant mob runs in and mobs u, even when its atleast an aggro bubbles away from the patrol area/spot!!!
i think there may be a few bugs and glitches A-Net may need to mop up, so lets all get them a dust broom.....
gloria vander belt
P.S if ur monk isnt doing anything try putting a BUILD on him, or atleast one that heals, and if u notice he does nothing but fight then heal(only when almost dead), PUT him on flight!, as for me i preffer tahlkora and all other female heros(ele's being the exception)
Tuit
I have problems with Devona, She cannot attack because she is bugged. She is wielding her Hammer really strange :O. It has irritated me for some months.
Oni Firestarter
Yeah, there is something seriously broken with hero's.
I always have a res chant on my Tahlkora disabled so that I can manually res when I really need the res in battle, but otherwise she doesn't stand around trying to res chant while stuff is dying.
Anyways, in short - she will res whenever she feels like it REGARDLESS of whether I have the skill disabled or not. This isn't something that happens once or twice.... this happens ALL THE TIME. Using skills with big X's through them - not normal behaviour.
Olias doesn't use dark bond anymore. Midliners tank. Warriors go all over the map. There is something really wrong with the AI - its fricken terrible.
I always have a res chant on my Tahlkora disabled so that I can manually res when I really need the res in battle, but otherwise she doesn't stand around trying to res chant while stuff is dying.
Anyways, in short - she will res whenever she feels like it REGARDLESS of whether I have the skill disabled or not. This isn't something that happens once or twice.... this happens ALL THE TIME. Using skills with big X's through them - not normal behaviour.
Olias doesn't use dark bond anymore. Midliners tank. Warriors go all over the map. There is something really wrong with the AI - its fricken terrible.
Painbringer
I have had her chase retreating enemy off of radar even when she is flagged. She can be a bad monkey, and the devs need a little look at her AI
I Will Heal You Ally
You know that Attack option in Hero Panel? Well I asume warrior henchies are set to Attack so when you ping a monster or even click on it they're probably triggered... those problems I have... not sure if you mean while you're going somewhere that they just run and aggro (don't have those problems)
Bonaho
i have been having the same problem with her...she will just run off every so often and aggro 2 or 3 groups
Age
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This behaviour isn't new btw, in other campaigns Devona is an intolerable ass-hat too.
Hey she maybe doing that but most AI are all doing that their programming is different that is all.It is unlike the other camps.I always liked Devona esecially in NF to get free run here and there or in Kurzick/Factions.
I have to noticed the AI being sloppy lately hero/hench.They could use a little bit more buffing.
I have to noticed the AI being sloppy lately hero/hench.They could use a little bit more buffing.
SerenitySilverstar
Flakey H/H has always been something I've usually just "dealt" with (Zhed's tendency to front line, Lina's wanding to death, Mehnlo's refusal to cast), but along with the many stories coming to the fore here, I have to agree that the instances of Super-Leeroy Idiocy are becoming more frequent.
Zhed and Norgu are two my "favourites". I have witnessed not only my Zhed, but my husbands, run well off screen or far into the backline of a mob.
But my most recent favourite event was Abaddon's Gate HM. Despite flagging, and swapping between Attack and Passive, Norgu decided to run in the complete opposite direction of our retreating team, placed himself well behind Abaddon (who had by then "disappeared") and proceeded to die quickly. He was as far to the edge of that map, behind Abaddon's area, as someone could possibly be.
It's just mind boggling to watch a green dot run in the opposite direction.
I do find it interesting, sifting through all the threads lately discussing the H/H AI, that people have issues with different heroes and hench. For example, I don't have a problem with Jora, Devona, Talon or Dunkoro, whereas others have interesting stories where they do.
Zhed and Norgu are two my "favourites". I have witnessed not only my Zhed, but my husbands, run well off screen or far into the backline of a mob.
But my most recent favourite event was Abaddon's Gate HM. Despite flagging, and swapping between Attack and Passive, Norgu decided to run in the complete opposite direction of our retreating team, placed himself well behind Abaddon (who had by then "disappeared") and proceeded to die quickly. He was as far to the edge of that map, behind Abaddon's area, as someone could possibly be.
It's just mind boggling to watch a green dot run in the opposite direction.
I do find it interesting, sifting through all the threads lately discussing the H/H AI, that people have issues with different heroes and hench. For example, I don't have a problem with Jora, Devona, Talon or Dunkoro, whereas others have interesting stories where they do.
Arathi
They need to make the Ai just like the Zaishin Elite, The switch weapons res when needed and run. They also say GG
Woden
I've noticed Devona's recent desire to charge into increasingly bad situations as well. Maybe she's been hitting the dwarven ale in town. Even worse is that at times the hench monks will completely ignore me. The rest of the team will be at or near full health. Meanwhile I'm at death's door, poisoned, diseased, possibly blinded, definitely depressed, and they aren't casting *anything* on me. I'm having to rely exclusively on self heals at times, and that is not right in a party with two monks.
Master Sword Keeper
DEVONA! What does do not go there MEAN?!?!
GAWD can someone please teach this bot how lure correctly...Why cant you be like Jamei and Avoid combat when not fighting and actually do something when in COMBAT? RAGH!
"I swear, I'm going to shove a sword into her chest if she doesnt do what i want her to" E.G Devona Ignores Flag commands when point is selected. All hench except her goto position.
Grrrr Rogue little kindler isnt she?
GAWD can someone please teach this bot how lure correctly...Why cant you be like Jamei and Avoid combat when not fighting and actually do something when in COMBAT? RAGH!
"I swear, I'm going to shove a sword into her chest if she doesnt do what i want her to" E.G Devona Ignores Flag commands when point is selected. All hench except her goto position.
Grrrr Rogue little kindler isnt she?
Bassu
The same thing happend to me, but with Master of Whispers o_O And later with Razah. Like wtf are they doing? It's really pissing me off, since I was in Forgewight and aggroing too much Burning Spirits and Flowstones... well, it hurts.
Karia Mirniman
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Originally Posted by Friday
Devona... Leeeeroy idiocy from her and Talon and Jora on occasion I can handle by setting their targets and flagging them, and they are warriors after all...
but Gwen...
Gwen Leeroys off past the mob we fighting, pulls in more (dies, is rezzed)...
Me: Get back in line you stupid woman!!!! *flag
Gwen leeroys off into the furthest backline of the mob (dies, is rezzed)
Me: GWEN, FFS, you are a MESMER, you're BACKLINE - NOW GET BACK INTO IT YOU RAGING NOOB!!
Gwen ignores flag and target and runs off to die - again...
The hero/hench AI should definitely be overhauled... I've broken most of them down to peeling potatoes back at base for their idiocy!!
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(by the way, I am a woman, so I can call another woman an idiot and get away with it)
Clever a-net for adding damn hormones 
but Gwen...
Gwen Leeroys off past the mob we fighting, pulls in more (dies, is rezzed)...
Me: Get back in line you stupid woman!!!! *flag
Gwen leeroys off into the furthest backline of the mob (dies, is rezzed)
Me: GWEN, FFS, you are a MESMER, you're BACKLINE - NOW GET BACK INTO IT YOU RAGING NOOB!!
Gwen ignores flag and target and runs off to die - again...
The hero/hench AI should definitely be overhauled... I've broken most of them down to peeling potatoes back at base for their idiocy!!
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(by the way, I am a woman, so I can call another woman an idiot and get away with it
ilipol
Maybe this is ANet's way to bring back PUGs, since so many people complained about lack of human parties ...
Targren
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Maybe this is ANet's way to bring back PUGs, since so many people complained about lack of human parties ...
Wouldn't surprise me. They seem rather heavy-handed in regards of getting people to play Anet's way despite claiming the opposite.
Darkobra
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Originally Posted by ilipol
Maybe this is ANet's way to bring back PUGs, since so many people complained about lack of human parties ...
My thoughts exactly. It won't work. I'll still drag even the most stupid of hench through the toughest of missions. They'll still be better than most real people.
Zahr Dalsk
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Originally Posted by ilipol
Maybe this is ANet's way to bring back PUGs, since so many people complained about lack of human parties ...
Well, it's not working so well. The heroes and henchmen are still smarter than the average human player and they don't whine and swear at me.
GoreTor
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thats a pretty good theory except they don't use "Charge!" as their elite skill in eotn.
we are there. she has nothing.
Chieftain Heavyhand
This is sort of off topic but in the general area concerning AI.
I've stopped using the Hero monks because they have stopped healing, protecting, or what ever you want them to do they stand there and watch you die. WTF
I have since replaced my hero monk with Xandra. At least she cast her spirit spells which help the hench monks keep us all alive.
I flag and pull with H&H so I have not noticed them running off.
I don't use the melee Heroes or Henchmen. My Leeroying around is more than enough to keep everyone in the group busy without adding to it.
I've stopped using the Hero monks because they have stopped healing, protecting, or what ever you want them to do they stand there and watch you die. WTF
I have since replaced my hero monk with Xandra. At least she cast her spirit spells which help the hench monks keep us all alive.
I flag and pull with H&H so I have not noticed them running off.
I don't use the melee Heroes or Henchmen. My Leeroying around is more than enough to keep everyone in the group busy without adding to it.
Shadow_7
LOL, very funny stories. My problem lately is with Vekk. Even when he is flagged, he runs to aggro a group of foes and bring them to our location.
malko050987
I noticed Vekk's tendency to tank, but I quickly learned to deal with it. ^_^ I am Vanquishing and just farming in Old Ascalon in HM right now (great drops) and I use Dunk as a LoD Healer, MoW as a MM and Vekk as a Nuker. I'm a Ranger, so I usually flag Dunk and Vekk into position, and have MoW follow while I lure. Then the mobs hit the Minion wall and we can just destroy them.
It's worked well so far.
I noticed that Vekk and Jora are much more agressive lately. I select an opponent, hit SPACE and Vekk is already running ahead with Met Shower casting. Of course, he gets surrounded and stepped on.
Flagging him works.
I almost never use Warrior henchies, so I didn't notice Devona's change in attitude. ^_^
Targeting priorities are a bit off, though. In the 4-man team I use there isn't much to say, because the minions go for the closest enemy and MoW has no attack skills. Oh, he uses Dark Bond all the time, so maybe that problem is related to Olias only? However, Vekk always goes for Monks first, despite me calling a different target ahead of time.
Oh, and he's really dumb about Backfire. He'll get himself to 10% health by casting under it, and then run to the enemy to wand >.<
It's worked well so far.
I noticed that Vekk and Jora are much more agressive lately. I select an opponent, hit SPACE and Vekk is already running ahead with Met Shower casting. Of course, he gets surrounded and stepped on.
Flagging him works.
I almost never use Warrior henchies, so I didn't notice Devona's change in attitude. ^_^
Targeting priorities are a bit off, though. In the 4-man team I use there isn't much to say, because the minions go for the closest enemy and MoW has no attack skills. Oh, he uses Dark Bond all the time, so maybe that problem is related to Olias only? However, Vekk always goes for Monks first, despite me calling a different target ahead of time.
Oh, and he's really dumb about Backfire. He'll get himself to 10% health by casting under it, and then run to the enemy to wand >.<
tyche7
at the TOP of my want list for GWEN is for them to fix the crappy drops and to fix hero/hench AI.
Burning Blade
This is just 1 way ANET uses to piss people off and play with real players .
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