Let us earn Asura, Norn or vanguard points in dungeons or add new dungeons!!

At the minute its relatively (excuse the language) piss easy to get Drawf points due to the 'secret lair of the snowmen' dungeon. Which is also quite fun and takes a very small amount of time to do.

Its also relatively easy all-round because all dungeons give drawf points, and dungeons are one of the main repeatable aspects of the game! (But im using the snowman dungeon as an example, because its fun and gives a high return on points very easily).

So its just a case of re-playing it and you soon increase rank. With the introduction of HM (eventually) those points will increase!

Now unfortunately the same cant be said for Asura, Norn or Vanguard points. Yes we have polymock, boxing and Norn tournaments but they are more pvp and not everyone likes that kind of thing.

I find the those games frustrating because im not good at close combat and polymock can result in banging your head off the desk!

Also they give back a very small rewards for points and even the repeatable quests for those races either dont give points or very few!

So im suggesting that...

1) We either be allowed to choose which reputation to use dungeons likes in the snowman dungeon (which is unlikely), or...
2) We get 'fun' dungeons similar to the snowman one, dedicated to the other races.

I accept that Drawf points could be concidered more important to fight against the destroyers, but it cant be denied that its unfairly easy to get drawf points compared to any other race.

I also accept that Drawfs dont give bounties above ground, like the other races. But there is no real incentive to farm an instance with a bounty for the Asura, Norn or Vangaurd.

Your not completing a quests or dungeon... your just farming an instance. Its not the same as replaying an enjoyable dungeon underground with some challenge and a chest at the end as a reward.

So we either need a way to earn alternative race points in dungeons, or we need new dungeons that give Asura, Norn or vangaurd points through bounties.

All you would need is an Asuran, Norn and Vanguard NPC at res points in dungeons to give alternative bounties. Or have the res point allow you to choose with bounty to take!

That would be easier then adding whole new dungeons, but that is another option! I think that would help remove this dislike of the grind for ranks!

Drawf ranks cant really be considered a grind because you earn those by re-playing dungeons, which is the main aspect of GWEN. And you get a chest to open at the end, which is a huge insentive!

But other races require nothing more then farming to increase ranks, or getting a tiny 100 points from a mini game, or no mini game for the vangaurd!




This might not make 100% sense to give other race bounties in dungeons which the drawfs dug! But its the only way I see to make it more enjoyable to earn race points for others!

I agree that doing the dungeons, especially with the rewards the offer, is so much more fun that running Magus Stones 100 times, but they should keep the dungeons to the dwarves, to at least keep the plot element with the title secure. They should, though, add new Master or Elite quests in the other territories. For instance, a quest that puts you up against like 500 Charr, so you'd have well over 5k worth of points after completing it. That would be hella-fun.

However, I don't think we'll need too much help maxing the titles, seeing as I've done all the quests and cleared each territory, putting me around 40k in each title. And we're still on week 2. We've got more than a year to milk this expansion, and HM will make title grinding a bit easier too. I would like to see other Elite missions besides Slaver's Exile, that go for each other title.

I accept that earning points isnt hard, I mean im on rank 5+ on them all after just a few weeks. But the difference with the Snowman dungeon is that its fun... unlike alot of other dungeons or quests which are (as they should be) frustratingly hard at times.

The snowman dungeon pits you against lvl15 creatures, unlike any other dungeon and it makes it unfair on other race points.

What other race can you earn points for by facing up against such easy foes?

I would assume your char idea would be lvl20-24 creatures and probably alot harder then the snowman dungeon. That would the clash IMO!

If they added new quests which gave decent rewards similar to that, they would have to make it fair by adding creatures of similar strengths to the snowmen. Otherwise it would still be alot easier for drawf points.

For once, I agree with you, Freek.
/Signed.

Well, I think those repeatable dungeon quests should give rep points for reward. That Ebon Vanguard leader guy told me he's going to put in a good word for me to Captain Langmar when I handed him the hammer of kathandrax, so why didn't I get any points?

Well, IMO, the Snowman lvl is a bit buffed like the original Secret Cow level in Diablo II was. Making them all that easy wouldn't say much to maxing GWEN titles.

Here's another suggestion: Why don't they make the 11 repeatable primary quests have an automatic hunt active for the reputation they belong to, like the 'A Land Of Heroes' quest in Nightfall? That way, those quests are worth repeating. The way it works now, I get more reputation from cleaning out a single explorable than from filling out an entire Hero book.

Those repeatable quests are quite pointless right now: no reputation per kill, no spawning chests, just 100-300 reputation at the end and 2,500 for a full book. (And, the linear play of these quests is actually more boring to repeat than going with guildies and rampaging the $%#@ out of an explorable, but that just my opinion.)

Ebon Vanguard mini game is needed (other race has their mini game) especially clearing the area for Ebon Vanguard is harder than other races.

I'd like to see asura/norn/vanguard points included in the dungeon quest rewards. That would be a super easy thing to put in, especially considering that it was in place during the preview (to the best of my knowledge). Also it would make complete sense from the perspective of lore.

It's pretty obvious to me that the way the system is right now is deliberately set up to to keep people playing GW:EN longer than they otherwise would. Otherwise they would have made weapons and armor available at rank 3.[Personally, it's not a big deal to me because if I don't want to grind for a higher rank then I won't do it. And if I do want to then I have plenty of time before GW2 comes out.] Because rep rank seems intentionally difficult to increase, I don't believe they'll improve things soon (except with the addition of HM bounties).

And there's no way they're adding extra content anytime soon.

I'd be happy if the end reward for dungeons was the same each time you went through. 5k norn points for Slaver's each time? Sign me up.

Is that all you get for slaves? doesnt seem all that impressive to me! You can get 3-4k from one run of Drakka lake!

Slap a bounty on the missions and id be happy, or just keep the shriners (heh) there

Let the secret lair be total random experience. As you enter it randomly decides which one you get.


1. Dwarves Points – Snowmen (just like it is with same rewards)
2. Norn Points- Halloween theme with appropriate creatures same level. (Halloween event items for rewards)
3. Asura Points- Dragon festival theme with appropriate creatures same level. (Dragon fest style rewards)
4. Vangard Points- Can’t think of any theme at the moment maybe With Lucky St Patty day style rewards.

Wow that's actually a really cool idea. Too bad it'd never get implemented

/Signed

Thanks!
TabascoSauce

Well what would make sense is if the dungeon had two points in it, dwarven and the regions species. If your in CHarr lands it's dwarven/vanguard, plus maybe have dungeons give the bonus for the lands they are in. Right now the dwarven bonus is really only good in like 1 or two dungeons and even then it's not super great.

According to wiki there are dungeons with rep rewards already...
You get 3000 vanguard points for completing Rragar's Menagerie for instance.

Well you also get the quest reward of 15k experience, 2750 gold, and a total of 7 chest drops (one of which is always onyx and they're like 10k right now).

I particulary liked a dungeon that always gives event items.
But many other event items are left out:

We already have.
Wintersday: Snow. Dwarves.

Halloween: Creep. Vanguard.
Dragon Festival/Canthan new year: Spirituality. Asura.
Rest of themes (Easter, Saint Patric, etc): Many different things, those that fight alone. Norn.

i really like that idea

Was this how it was during the preview event?

I seem to remember making 20k Norn points without really trying in the preview, and getting req9 golds with useful mods from chests, (because i'm a Ranger main and having 3294634 bows is my birthright dammit,) and thinking that actually maybe the title grind wouldn't be so bad.

And then the actual release came, and i looked at my ten characters, and thought actually maybe i won't take them all through, or maybe not even many of them.

Summary: i'd really like for Dungeons to give the fixed first-time faction points every time. Faction points for actually playing the game? Yes, please.

The problem is that the LOWER tiers of the titles right now require far too much work. It should be those top 2 or 3 levels that separate the pack, the ones that should require hours of dungeon crawling and hunting. The first 5 levels or so should really be a breeze that get covered through doing normal quests and the primary story chain. It shouldn't require clearing explorable areas for 90 minutes a time. That stuff should be saved the the real top-level titles. It would at least allow casual players to have some sort of title to be proud of for following the story and not spending hours farming reputation points.

After completing the game and all quests I was short on every race title. I had to exchange my hero book for points to get lvl dwarf for crappy armor which i didnt know wasnt going to go into the HoM. I spent 3 times vankquishing falls, and two times vanking stones to get lvl 5 in those. I am currently working on vanking the valley to get lvl 5 ebon.

I would say that unless you really worked at getting the points through the game you would not have the points at end game to get even lvl 5 without farming.

Not that that is a bad thing. Consider their point of view, why give every pleeb your armor. You would want to ensure they were of some type of quality before you gave them access to your armor.

I hate to disagree, but achieving rank 5 on all races in GWEN isnt hard and cant be done by just doing quests and dungeons. I know because I did it!

I admit there was a tiny amount of points still left to push me over rank 5 (5-10k which isnt alot), but that only took a very small amount of bounty hunting in some areas.

And drawf ranks are a piss take to achieve with the snowman dungeon!

The ranking system to get to 5 is fine. Its just that its not a huge amount of fun to get there. Not all the quests and dungeons have that same level of playfullness to them as the snowman dungeon.

Dwarven, Asuran, and Norn are easy to get.

Just why didn't they have a minigame/more quests for Ebon?

I agree that something must be done too. I actually did take the time to max out all the points on my necro, and by the time I was done, I dispised the game. I have 6 other charicters. Do not think I will be maxing points on those any time soon. After vanquishing all the areas and still not having my points maxed...I wanted to scream. In fact I did, just ask my husband. I was not a happy camper. I just cant see myself bothering with that again. The repeating of the quests and the vanquishing of the same areas over and over and over......no, not again. Something must be done.
Dwarven points are easy to max, but I would rather have my asuran points maxed then dwarven.
As for the mini games, polymock is a bite in the a.., the one in gunnars hold, I have never been able to beat. And besides, so little points for success....and yes, I suffered my way thru polymock as well.

Well honestly getting the titles doesnt seem all that hard to me. So far I have filled NM heros handbooks about 5 times. Only 1 or 2 quest in it that require more than heros and hench. Also I have worked on fillling the Master Dungeon book (which is much harder and I dont plan on doing it more than once in NM and once in HM per char.) Ive been playing GWEN for a little over 3 weeks I think and ive already got Norn and Vangaurd titles at lvl 7 and Asuran and Dwarf titles at lvl 6 getting to lvl 7 quickly. Ive used 2 of the heros handbooks toward Norn 2 towards Vangaurd and 1 towards Asuran titles. Once I finish Master dungeon I will probably do 1 more NM heros hand book and if I havent gone over 60k in Vangaurd I will use it on Vanguard then use the master dungeon book reward on Vangaurd which should put me to high lvl 8 or even lvl 9. Filling NM heros handbook only takes a few hours. I had done 2 of them in 1 day on last Sunday. Each one gives you 20k points in your choice of title. Still dont know how many points you get for a full Master Dungeon book but it seems like its going to be alot considering a half full books gives like 24k in title.

new dungeons! <3
GWEN is too short on stuff for the price you pay
we want more dungeons! <3 (well i actually want more dungeons but i'm sure you'll support me)

It would be great if at least 1 dungeon in each area was revamped to 'elite' status, and would give greatly increased points in HM. Say: Shards of Orr, Frostwurm, Rragar's all get a bit of a difficulty boost but also a 10k reward for the respective area. Slaver's gets changed to dwarven title, with each mini dungeon giving 4-5k reward.

That way good players can get it faster through hard areas with nice drops, people who can't handle these are free to grind varajar/magus/whatever people use for vanguard.

/signed

Heh. I usually disagree with you, but this time I am in complete, 100% agreement.

I think it was rather odd that doing dungeons is probably the worst way to build up faction (Dwarf aside, of course). I've already maxed all my titles, but I'm still all for upping the non-Dwarf faction of the dungeons.

'Course, that would make that CoF run even more popular.

While I sympathise with the opinion that it should be possible to grind points while playing the game, it's really very easy to farm norn etc points by filling in HM books and turning them in. Much easier than clearing dungeons.

Basically the whole mechanic is broken, and norn/vanguard dungeons isn't going to fix it.

Not to mention doing norn points by repeating the final cipher quest in HM.

Full Master Dungeon Guide: 40K of rep. 80K of XP.

Full hero's Handbook: 20k of rep. 40K of XP.

Wiki is your friend

The books were 2.5k. This thread was from back when GWEN was just out so obviously there are some changes since this thread was ressed. Once of the biggest changes was the rewards for books.

would now be a bad time to remind everyone that some dungeon maps are used three times.....




:Im using Animate Thread!:

More content would be nice, but I doubt we'll see it.

/signed.. yeah i need those ranks up

/signed

I like this idea Fish. I think if its in norn territory then you get norn points, jungles asura etc.

~the rat~

the idea of getting rep points according to every zone is good
/signed