under 2 hour beat GWEN?! WTF?(spoiler)

just re-did it. nothing....

anyone else able to skip the primaries with this trick? or is it just me that can't =/

the main problem is that it doesnt show that destruction's depth is completed. and when i beat it i don't get the reward.

You aren’t the only one unknown1. Either the OP and support post didn’t really skip the primary quests on the characters or they are doing something in addition to the steps the OP listed.

When a player groups up with someone who is “unqualified” for a quest, the “unqualified” party member simply doesn’t get credit for completing the quest. So when that “unqualified” party member reaches the Central Transfer Chamber and attempts to piggy back into the battle against the Great Destroyer, the party leader (or whoever is qualified to accept the quest) receives a message stating that the unqualified party member "...is not ready to face the Great Destroyer."

If you guys are really getting past the unqualified message to engage the Great Destroyer, how are you doing it?

I have all of my characters there, and only my monk completed the normal way to get there so far. Thanks for the tip. A single snow man run gets you to R1 and the only requirement for that is the map quest (or follow a friend in if you can't get a hold of the maps yet). You can get to R5 and up so quickly.

Haven't had many chances to play any other classes than monk so far in Glint's Challenge. I think it's fun though.

If you guys would read through the thread and not just the OP's message then you'd all know that the bug has been fixed and doesn't work anymore...

If you look at post #39 - trobinson97 says that he was able to do it and that there wasn't a fix. Which is why unknown1 was still trying.

So ur saying it still works for those people that have completed the game?

Odd, since my ele 'ran' to the end, after my monk completed GWEN, and he can do quest from Alkar. My Ranger and Assasin also ran, but they cant do the quest from Alkar. Should I finish the quest from Alkar on my ele first, before my other characters can continue??

Monk finished normal way
Ele did HoS + DD in one run, yes Time for Heroes
Ranger did DD first and then HoS, no Time for Heroes
Assassin did HoS and then DD in seperate groups, no Time for Heroes
Dervish, Ritualist, Warrior, Mesmer, Necromancer, Paragon still waiting to start on the green light to go.

Agreed. The main story line does not need to be long and mandatory, tons of optional content are better.

I also fail to see the use of this "shortcut":

1. You do not get all "tapestries" for the HoM
2. You do not get most PvE skills
3. You do not get the heroes

OK, so you killed the great destroyer but still have everything else to do? GREAT SHORTCUT!

I always think, if you really want to play as a level 20 so fast why spend money on runs? Make a PvP character.

Mainly because PVP characters can't do anything in PVE. I'd be quite impressed if I saw a PVP only character fighting Abaddon.

I beat the game already with one of my characters and did practically all the quest with him and prior to someone saying it was broken it worked and after people saying it was broken i couldnt get in.

The main problem is that after you complete destructions depth, the actually mission isnt completed in your character (the flag doesnt appear over the mission location) and i dont know how to fix that. I did it with 5 characters or so and no flag, except the one i was talking about prior to the "broken" comment. He does have the flag and has beaten the game with the trick.

So just to clarify, if i just want to get to the CTC, all I need to do is:

1. Get a char to 20.
2. Get to the Eye.
3. Join a group where someone has HOS quest. Finish that.
4. Get Destruction Depths mission. Finish Destruction Depths.

I should be in CTC?

Sounds like a good idea for people with all professions, Like me i only took my necro through eye of the north and i've basicaly been avoiding it with my other characters once i've got the first few heros.

All the point grinding on one character is bad enough never mind another 11 professions.

So I finally cracked it:

To get to CTC:
Get a lvl 20 character to Eye of the North (town) and find a group doing 'Destructions Depths'
(not sure about a prerequiste that ur accound should have at least once have beaten GWEN)

To get to CTC + be able to do 'A Time for Heroes' (last quest and gives u endgame item):
1 Get your lvl 20 character to Eye of the North (town)
2 Get a Hero's and Dungeon's Book from the guy in the center
3 Find a team with Heart of Shiverpeaks and do the Dungeon
4 Find a team with Destructions Depths and do the quest
5 Ur in CTC with ability to talk to Alkar for next quest ^^
(probably you need at least 1 character on ur account with GWEN done)

I am not sure if you have to see aftercinema when you talk to Jalis, but with any luck your fellow questees will have that when they get near to Jalis. If not, that might interfere.
I am sure you need at least a Hero's Book with Destructions Depths completed in it or you wont get to talk to Alkor. However, you do not need Heart of Shiverpeaks completed in your Dungeon Book, though it might not hurt picking up the DB when you get the HB.
I do not think you need to complete HoS before DD per se, but maybe this is tied to the first maybe of having to talk to Jalis before DD to get the start for it in your HB.

Just the most important for all ppl that dont get this to work: You need DD in your HB. Its really odd, what if someone decides not to take the HB at all, or never finds it. That person would be unable to start some quests, since he doesnt have the HB. Or maybe you get send to one of the 3 NPCs to get it first... I dunno.

I agree it hink its the book, i didnt retry it with the book cause i was lazy. but yeah te characters i did get through had the book =/

Well i did it on 4 characters now, you really need the book to get the DD quest done. Tho you do not have to be able to start the quest. :P Just have done HoS before. It doesnt seem you need to see the cutscene that turns the Dwarves to stone after u done HoS and talk to Jalis for the first time.

I'll tell you why. It's because Glint's Challenge is fun and a good way to make money.

I've done this on a couple of characters now but 2 days ago i finaly noticed a warning.



Nothing that we don't already know but still nice to let everyone know before hand.

You can go from Eye Of The North, save time running to Grotto

Can you please explain how you were able to get into the Great Destroyer battle without having the proper prereqs? We'd like to reproduce that, but we do not think it's possible, so your help would be appreciated.

Thanks.

All that was need to be done was:

Get to Eye of the North
Go and Do HoS (was done with someone who already beat the game)
Do Destruction Depths, which got you to Central Transfer Chamber
Beat Great Destroyer

It has been fixed now as you cannot go into the battle with the Great Destroyer, but you can still get as far as the Central Transfer Chamber!

And Hello Gaile!

ahhh, it is fixed, thx for the info gaile, and guess we kinda have to the normal way from now on

Well still, getting to CTC early could be nice.

Personaly i think once you have completed the game on (Atleast) (1) character this was a good thing, i can't see how it hurt anyone?
Either way we still have got to go and do all the other quests and stuff at some point anyway so it makes no difference i suppose

Well you paid for your own copy so play it how 'you' like to. No one is standing behind your back hitting buttons for ya man. Sure they probably didn't intend that but so what? Affects other people 0%, next !

Sorry But WRONG. I did it tonight with my last character the rit and did it with no problem Eye to Green key in 1hr 30 mins. Not my record but I was playing with a group of Pugs.

And now, All my comments on this process have been removed from this thread. I just do not care anymore.

I'm sick of being told one thing then they say wait WHAT? oh no no no.. This did NOTHING unfair or unjust. If I wanted a character to have access to all dungeons and not have to deal with the grind more then once so I don't need the skills I have no interest in, Its no different then playing the kurzick side and ignoring the luxon side of the game and going straight to the end. Its no different then getting a run for droknars forge, or no different from getting a taxi to elite missions, or taxi to docks in NF. Or more importantly, Finishing the game on the account and getting access to HM on all lev 20s after that. Point is this will Always be possible as long as the books come with Against the Destroyers completed on it by default once you have done it once on your account. Its become hypocrisy, and I want nothing more to do with it. Case closed.


PS: OK more rant here cause I'm a bit pissed off that NOW they are thinking of nerfing this and want to know how to do it. This is 100% harmless and does not give people unfair advantage indeed it actually locks you out of 1 critical PvE skill unless you go with a buddy again when they are about to get it. It basically allows you to get access to content that you have unlocked on your account, and unless you WANT to grind out the titles you get nothing in the form of PvE skills or titles. Nor would a player using this give a flying fig about HoM in any form, as its unneeded and inconsequential for non-primary characters, Especially if you plan on NOT getting GW2. So the tapestries don't matter.

I have taken 11 of 12 of my characters through in this way and basically moved on to better things now. I have also took many guildies and allies though in the same way, so they too have the advantage of skipping the grind when PvE skill content is unwanted and undesired.

In all reality I know how to get this to stop but I will not tell the programmers how to do their job. Add to that the code would make a lot of people very upset in that all the sudden primaries are not only not repeatable, but suddenly will become unable to appear in the books automatically when remade. Thus making books useless for repeatable rewards. Which in my opinion is the way it should have been from the beginning. 1 book 1 reward Done... never again to happen on that character. Just saying. If they would have made it that the book was turned in for access to armor then prob solved, and 0 grind for titles required. if you wanted armor you filled in a book and turn it in, if not, you trashed the book, and played the game where ever you want.

Anet's phylosophy: you can play the game like you want to.

The game mechanics allow it, so it's NOT a cheat, it's thinking out of the box and such behaviour should deserve more respect cause normal is only normal and nothing more.

Why do so many people refer to this as "beating the game"? I'd call it circumventing the game. [I wasn't trying to single Valeria out here, it's just that this post made me thing about it.]

it was never a beating teh game route. it was avoid what you do not want to do route...

Now I did get an PM about this apologizing for the misleading information. The problem Anet had was not that AtfH was completable early, but that people were able to power grind a character and get it rushed into the end for a End game key. and then turn around and sell that for uber gold. Rinse and repeat. I guess that was what was happening for some players 4 or 5 times a day using this this method, And they were in turn selling the keys for upwards of 30k each or more, So it had to stop. So basically the Few were abusing the system, and because of it the many are punished. Its a shame, but ultimatly if it was being abused as he said, then I can accept this as a good reason for the change.

They were good enough to allow anyone that had a book prior to the nerf to still be able to do it. But after that book is filled in and you attain another one its no longer possible. Luckily I had all my characters over there already with their original books, so I was able to do it after the so called nerf. But I took a guy through today and it is no longer possible with new books.

Its a bit upsetting yes, but ultimately this was for the better. I agree under the circumstances. Its good that they at least let you go to CTC still. so that's cool. For the record the change is now on the Destruction Depths prereq. It no longer looks at the account flag, but the character flag. As it should have been I guess. I'm just glad I had the opportunity to get them all through, and now I do not have to bother with it now, on characters I hardly ever play...