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makosi

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

Me/

13 Sep 2007 at 20:27 - 1

I like to faction farm in RA because I'm not a big PvPer but I like unlocking odds and ends for my account.

There have been too many occasions that I have encountered obvious synchronized joiners who are, of course, more co-ordinated and probably using TS/Vent to communicate to their advantage. As a result of this, my team inevitibly loses and also lose our chance of gaining a gladiator point. It is especially evident that the opposition have sync-joined when their tags are identical.

I believe this is cheating but I'd like some other people's views on it although I am all to aware that many people do not think very highly of RA but that is not what is being discussed. If I remember correctly, RA/TA proposed changes have been talked about but still not been put in to practice as of yet but I can only hope that it will stop the need for sync-joins or make it impossible to do so.

I am sure a lot of people have had this problem or can at least understand the frustration of getting to 8 or 9 wins out of 10 to face a co-ordinated guild team of 2 SP Assassins, a ZB monk and a Spirit Spammer to whom a random team stand little chance. I've turned my nose up at this sort of thing far too often and dismissed it as a one-off but it's getting extremely irritating now and I'm tired of being the good Samaritan. It's very tempting to start abusing these exploits myself for my own benefit instead of complaining although I'd probably get banned knowing my luck.

I'd love to provide some constructive advice as to how to solve the problem but my ignorance of programming prohibits me so any ideas are welcome.

This is not a QQ thread, despite how it comes across, and I think its worthy of discussion.

dunky_g

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

[SNOW]

13 Sep 2007 at 20:42 - 2

RA is supposed to be random, so i guess people that sync would annoy me, but i dont RA much but i can see your point.. maby just go TA with a good team and rack up the glad points

Skuld

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Thousend Tigers Apund Ur Head [Ttgr]

A/

13 Sep 2007 at 20:57 - 3

Where are the rules? ... Exactly.

Retribution X

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Check behind you again.

N/

13 Sep 2007 at 21:00 - 4

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skuld

Where are the rules? ... Exactly.

Um, in the title? Random arenas means you shouldn't be able to get in a game with friends...

It's not very random when people run a coordinated team in RA...

Divinus Stella

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Wales

Steel Phoenix

13 Sep 2007 at 21:10 - 5

It is annoying when it happens, but i synch enter sometimes and its good fun so i cant hate on anyone else who does it.

I don't see any reason why synch entering is wrong, as Skuld said theres no rule book.

Lord Natural

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Canada

Black Crescent [BC]

W/

13 Sep 2007 at 21:21 - 6

Doesn't really bother me to see 2 people synching. I've tried it a few times in the past, if I knew someone in the district. To be honest it's more trouble than it's worth. It's pretty difficult to land the same team if you're playing at peak hours. I gave up on it, but if other people are into it, whatever. Takes more than 2 people to get a streak anyway.

I do find it a little sad when it's 3-4 people trying to synch together. I tend to think with 2 people it's not as big a deal because you're only half a TA group as it is. It's much more work to go to TA (or the f list) and try to find 2 more, than it is to hit enter battle on 1. When you've got 3-4 though, it's a bit more pathetic, as there's really no good reason not to go to TA. It pretty well says: we have no shot at a single point in TA, so we're going to sit here all night until we all land the same group (and probably still lose before 10).

Skuld

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Thousend Tigers Apund Ur Head [Ttgr]

A/

13 Sep 2007 at 21:37 - 7

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retribution X

Um, in the title? Random arenas means you shouldn't be able to get in a game with friends...

It's not very random when people run a coordinated team in RA...

And it isn't very PvP when people run heroes. Is this cheating? There is no rule book, anything goes.

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match...

Dark Alley [dR]

13 Sep 2007 at 21:45 - 8

Quote:

Originally Posted by makosi

...my team inevitibly loses and also lose our chance of gaining a gladiator point...

This, whats quoted, is the problem with random arenas and why you see people trying to synch into it.

BlackSephir

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

A/N

13 Sep 2007 at 22:58 - 9

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skuld

And it isn't very PvP when people run heroes. Is this cheating? There is no rule book, anything goes.

Common sense
Not very often used skill but very useful, trust me.

AlienFromBeyond

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Heros of Titans Realm [HotR]

W/

13 Sep 2007 at 23:35 - 10

I don't consider it to be cheating, but I do think it is gaming the system.

Juicey Shake

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

CA

in it for the trimmmm

R/

13 Sep 2007 at 23:47 - 11

cheating? no. A flaw in the system? surely. who's to blame, the player for being clever in it's use of the system, or anet for designing it?

I'm inclined to blame anet

makosi

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

Me/

13 Sep 2007 at 23:59 - 12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juicey Shake

cheating? no. A flaw in the system? surely. who's to blame, the player for being clever in it's use of the system, or anet for designing it?

I'm inclined to blame anet

The same can be said for duping.

??Ripskin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

Mo/

14 Sep 2007 at 00:22 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juicey Shake

cheating? no. A flaw in the system? surely. who's to blame, the player for being clever in it's use of the system, or anet for designing it?

I'm inclined to blame anet

Two things.
1. LoL
2. Don't bite the hand that feeds you

Andrew Patrick

ArenaNet

Join Date: Aug 2006

Washington

Zealots of Shiverpeak [ZoS]

Mo/

14 Sep 2007 at 00:29 - 14

Even when a team tries to synch, it doesn't always work. It does sometimes though, so I will see if the designers feel it is a serious issue, and if there is a way to fix it.

Inger

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2007

R/Rt

14 Sep 2007 at 00:44 - 15

well RA is random, I don't believe syncing is a problem unless the ppl attempting to sync are leavers and leave games continuously until they successfully end up on the same team.

If ppl attempt to sync but end up on different teams, as long as they don't leave that game then its not a problem IMO. If they happen to get lucky and end up on the same team in one of their attempts than I consider them just lucky.

Syncing is a problem however if ppl continually leave games where they don't successfully sync.

D E C E P T I V E

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2007

14 Sep 2007 at 00:45 - 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by MistressYichi

This, whats quoted, is the problem with random arenas and why you see people trying to synch into it.

Agreed. This is one of the ways in which the title system has hurt the game overall. There are alot of other downsides to all of the titles PvP or PvE that should be thought about that have been broght up by other people and myself before in other threads that point this kind of stuff out.

I read somewhere that Arena Nets original intention was to create a game that didnt depend on grind (time spent in game) but would rather depend on how skillful one can be at playing the game for rewards. I dont understand at all how the title system fits into that intention.

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match...

Dark Alley [dR]

14 Sep 2007 at 00:49 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by D E C E P T I V E

Agreed. This is one of the ways in which the title system has hurt the game overall. There are alot of other downsides to all of the titles PvP or PvE that should be thought about that have been broght up by other people and myself before in other threads that point this kind of stuff out.

I read somewhere that Arena Nets original intention was to create a game that didnt depend on grind (time spent in game) but would rather depend on how skillful one can be at playing the game for rewards. I dont understand at all how the title system fits into that intention.

You failed. Its not the title system to blame for this, its thae fact that you can EARN gladiator points by farming noobs in RA thats the problem. Why else do you think that most of the people do RA? The gladiator title would be a great and probably one of the most respectedly earned titles if it was left to only TA and not have been degrated by the RA noobstomp its mostly known for.

Alex Morningstar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

Team Asshat [Hat] leader - [GR] Alliance

Mo/

14 Sep 2007 at 00:52 - 18

I have a bigger problem with people rage quitting than I do syncing up. Syncing doesn't mean they will win, your team ragequitting does.

makosi

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

Me/

14 Sep 2007 at 00:53 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Patrick

Even when a team tries to synch, it doesn't always work. It does sometimes though, so I will see if the designers feel it is a serious issue, and if there is a way to fix it.

I understand. Like I said in my OP, I don't have any solutions to the problem so I'm pretty helpless although I greatly appreciate your effort to forward the issue.

Nevin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2005

14 Sep 2007 at 01:17 - 20

Well.. if you think about the title more in depth. Random Arenas truly WOULDN'T be random if a synchronized team didn't have that slim chance of slipping in. Random to me, means you'd be going up against anything, including the chance of 4 friends who luckily got stuck together.

Thats just some blatant wordplay though, personally I'm more pissed off at the lack of res sigs in RA. Hahah

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

14 Sep 2007 at 01:25 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by makosi

...my team inevitibly loses and also lose our chance of gaining a gladiator point...

Quote:

Originally Posted by MistressYichi

This, whats quoted, is the problem with random arenas and why you see people trying to synch into it.

Qouted for Utmost Truth.

kazjun

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

HoVa

W/N

14 Sep 2007 at 03:07 - 22

I don't play RA much, but the times I've played, I was more annoyed at leavers than syncs.

Dallcingi

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2006

USA

The Black Parades [死人死]

Mo/

14 Sep 2007 at 04:37 - 23

NOo its not cheating its just abusing the system.

Henchman

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

A cave in the Shiverpeaks

Mo/

14 Sep 2007 at 07:45 - 24

It's an exploit- because its an abused game bug, just like duping was. The only difference is Anet lets this one pass.
But RA is so broken at the moment due to leavers, that this issue doesn't really make any difference.

Surena

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2007

N/Me

14 Sep 2007 at 07:45 - 25

Most syncers (and many "top players" are among them) sync throughout the alliance so you can't technically blame them, there is no same guild tag. It's a disadvantage for others who can't coordinate over Vent/TS, but then, the same people who sync to gain the advantage are those who on the other hand cry because some 4-man Rit/SS/whatever team rolled over them. So while they preach and moan that the TA-format promotes so-called retarded, gimmick, lazy etc.. builds they on the other hand cooperatively farm scrubs in RA and feel good about it.

glountz

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

W/Mo

14 Sep 2007 at 08:55 - 26

The Eula clearly say that to use an exploit/non-intended advantage is breaking the Eual and deserve a ban.
Synching is exploting thus deserve a ban.
Those who support Synch joining support BTW duping (disconnect exploit) broken skill farming (remember of the signet of Ghostly Might anyone? There was no rule uh? What happened to those who used this to climb ladder?You guessed: banned).
A-Net don't do anything and thus support theur own Eula Breach and thus I will ban them, soon.

BlackSephir

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

A/N

14 Sep 2007 at 09:00 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Patrick

Even when a team tries to synch, it doesn't always work. It does sometimes though, so I will see if the designers feel it is a serious issue, and if there is a way to fix it.

Yeah, and if synch doesn't work now -> leave -> try again ~~ And we have 3 players pissed off because of god damn leavers.

Effendi Westland

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Isle of the dead

[DVDF][LDS]

P/W

14 Sep 2007 at 11:40 - 28

It's abusing the system, and in the process they grief other teams by leaving them if their buddies are not in it.

moko

??uo??o??

Join Date: May 2006

14 Sep 2007 at 11:43 - 29

Izzy syncs as steady stance war.

enough said?

fenix

Major-General Awesome

Join Date: Aug 2005

Aussie Trolling Crew HQ - Event Organiser and IRC Tiger

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W/

14 Sep 2007 at 11:46 - 30

Koreans were doing this 26 months ago. It's not a new occurrence.

Cass

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

14 Sep 2007 at 12:22 - 31

Synchers suck.

It's plain and simple abuse and people who do it are just too shit at the game to win where synching is the standard: in TA. They are selfish individuals who want an easy win at the expense of others who stand no chance without build nor coordination.

Given the effort needed in RA to get a 10 win streak, it's extremely lame to get cheated out of it after 8-9 wins by a synch team.

Failed synch's also cause massive team leaving, in cases where it would normally not be justified, i.e., team has a chance, but buddy is not in it --> leave. It should be stopped, but I fear there won't be an easy solution for it.

In the mean time: avoid Int Districts, where there are fewer players and where synchers thrive.

Divinus Stella

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Wales

Steel Phoenix

14 Sep 2007 at 12:35 - 32

Ive seen several teams in RA from korean and taiwanese servers with 4 matching tags, its likely that theres only 4 people on those servers that arent farming gold.

The only way to stop it is to take players from all servers into teams in RA so theres a larger pool and even lower chance of synching, either that or completely seperate them so if people leave from international districts they only face other international players.

6am3 Fana71c

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

14 Sep 2007 at 13:50 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mokone

Izzy syncs as steady stance war.

enough said?

No. Your point is?

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenix

Koreans were doing this 26 months ago. It's not a new occurrence.

The fact that this is going for long time doesn't justify it.
"Hey, people were doing criminal acts since stone age, why even try to punish them, right?" WRONG!

moko

??uo??o??

Join Date: May 2006

14 Sep 2007 at 14:13 - 34

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6am3 Fana71c

No. Your point is?

my point is that it's not considered "cheating".

sure, it's not fair, and shouldn't be done, but clearly arenanet doesn't care enough seeing how they abuse it themselves.