"What do you expect from the PvP expansion?"

Ever thought it's because maybe you just suck?

Rit is still used widely....as a secondary prof


flesh of my flesh FTW.

I expect sixaxis control on the PVP expansion.

Read the bolded words. ._>

@lutz

RA/TA is PvP, in fact TA, could potenially bet the 2nd best form of PvP in the game (After GvG) if only A-net would give it some attention. And RA is PvP (Bad PvP), it cannot be denied.

Also, Rts don't fail at PvP, they fail at balance, the only way to solve the problem is to not let them in PvP.

Ok expansion is a bit more than what was intended. Major PvP-focused update would have been a better term.

Still, there seems to be a lot of pessimism floating around. Or maybe it's realism, I dunno. Difficult to tell those apart.

doubtful we will ever see such things... about as likely as Anet giving the buffs back to paragons that make them worthwhile with only one in a group

same people complain each time, "Oh rits are too overpowered, nerf them please Anet" Then they do and two month down the road, it's the same bullshit complaint about another profession being too overpowered.

Face it PvP sucks because all the good players left and were replaced by a bunch of noobs, noobs who for the love of god suck at countering any build. They just want an easy build to win, win, win, with little to no effert.

You don't need an expansion, you don't need nerfs, what you need is to use your brain. What would be nice is an update with extra weapon and armor skins.

PvP is balanced, all you need to do is learn to adapt and play.

GWEN skill pack - $4.99

Do you play PvP?

I'd like a true PvP expansion but I'm not holding my breath for it.

I have 2 years waiting for a solution for the CONSTANT full faction problem, I have months full, nothing to do with that faction, the 1000 faction needed for the tournaments totems return in 2 fights.

Really? PvP is infinite, and PvE is finite. I think you are just repeating a popular comment.

I see what you did there.

Anyway, it's unfortunate, but it is extremely unlikely that any sort of PvP expansion will be released. It became apparent early on that the majority of Guild Wars players weren't playing because of the innovative new PvP style (skill over grind, which technically still holds true in PvP, though skill tends to increase with grind), it was because of the innovative new business model in which players didn't have to commit to spending $10-$15 a month, instead being able to just play whenever they wanted. I admit that's how I got started.

Then when people tried out the PvP, they found out it required a very large time investment to get good at, and didn't want to have to make a commitment (one of the original reasons for the purchase of the game), so they decided to PvE. Then time passed, rank inflation occurred, elitism got worse, you know the story. PvP began to decline even further in popularity, and Anet's support for the gametype declined along with it. That's perfectly understandable, of course; offer support proportionate to the revenue each gametype brings in.

It's just been getting worse since. Due to the nature of the ranking and ladder systems used (only being able to increase instead of being able to fluctuate), inflation occurred quickly. Rank 3 groups turned into Rank 6 groups, the best players quit the game due to boredom and lack of support, etc. As such, it's become increasingly difficult for new players to break into the PvP scene, leading to a steady decline in the PvP community as players quit and aren't replaced.

When your skill-showing criteria can inflate so easily, it only gets harder for new players to get into the game as time passes. This was an original flaw in my opinion, especially with HA rank: the value of a rank decreases over time. In order to support the addition of new players in the community, a system needed to be devised that would not inflate, and unfortunately this one has. People complain about how HA rank does't necessarily show skill, and this is because of the design of the system (in that it can't decrease). If the ranking system was more dynamic, it would very likely be a much more accurate measure of player skill.

But now I'm getting off track. My point is this: the game's two selling points contradicted each other. Casual play with no commitment vs PvP play that requires lots of practice and commitment to be good at. The business model was advertised more than the "skill > time" point, and so more casual gamers and non PvP-enthusiasts were attracted to the game. PvP thereby started at a disadvantage, and only got worse due to poorly-designed ranking systems that discourage new faces in the community. This inability to replenish PvPers lost due to quitting the game, coupled with a steadily-increasing PvE population caused PvP support to go down the drain, understandably so.

As a result, no, a PvP expansion pack probably won't happen.

If anything, give us REAL sealed play online (not the lame card shuffling we have right now). For example, the next GvG tournament (should it ever come >_>) should have ONE sealed play deck of, say, 70 cards per guild, and they have to come up with builds from that. Before the battle, a program checks their equipped skills and if any are not in their deck that person gets kicked.

Ya know it just might work >_>

I would actually say the other way around. PvP only exists as long as there are people there. If there's no one to play against, you have no PvP - see Jade Quarry as a perfect example. PvE can exists beyond that, as long as Anet decides to keep up the servers.

Riiight...

The only thing that's even close to infinite in PvP is the number of people running a FOTM build or the wait time on some AB maps.

why do u all saying pvp is dead?

i hope u all know in HA ur supposed to go to international dist lol

Yeah to bad HA is full of degenerate skilless button mashing cushion builds and the idiots that abuse them and think their skillful. Awesomesauce.

That's part of the problem. In HA you used to be able to stay in ANY dis and have it full. That's what people mean by dead. Almost no people playing HA, GvG teams are quickly disappearing, etc etc.

Snap. I've been in Russian all along!

@Relambrien

I appear to be the only one who thinks PvE is more difficult than PvP :P Too much of a commitment is exactly why I gave up PvE.

Some of these idea's were worked out by Tiyuri which can be found in the post here: http://www.guild-hall.net/forum/showthread.php?t=45749

I really like these idea's. I hope that some or all of them will be implemented. Because as a big time supporter of GW and PvP player, I am disappointed that no (expect some skills) PvP stuff was released with EOTN.

PS. I also would like some new maps for HvH. There is only 3 at the moment.

I'd like to see more casual massive PvP grind, but without much thinking (brainless deathmatch ftw). I never have time to learn team builds, strategy to win, I leave it to pro GvGers. I just want to come online and fight till death. Not like RA though, RA is boring (imho). And some kind of reward (not Balthazar/Kurzick/Luxon faction lol) would be nice.

What about PvP districts? oO
(oh forget it, I'm kidding).

PvP is more difficult. That's pretty obvious. I can come to PvE and play much better than average PvEr. PvEr comes to PvP and absolutely sucks, you can notice one from the distance.

The word you're seeking is "time-consuming" and "grind". Yes, PvE is much more time-consuming, but time-consuming which consist of mind-numbing repetitive actions doesn't fit the word "difficult". It's "tedious".

IMO, you should stick to PvE.
PvP is all the opposite of what you're seeking; tactical, strategical, involves intelligence (compared to mindnumbing repetitive action of PvE farming), requires thinking, coordination, obedience, fast reaction, etc.

About the finiteness of PvE: I see already many threads about GW:EN is too short; They rushed it in 8 hours, blah, blah, blah!

About the infiniteness of PvP: You can play PvP everyday, in the same arenas, forever and ever, and that never end, cannot be rushed.

I Agree 100%. I just henchied the 2 last missions in Nightfall both with just one attempt. Anyway, I really enjoy PvE, it's fun. BTW, I am rank 7 hero, rank 3 gladiator, and rank 3 commander.

I can say: "brainless repetitive action of PvP fame/titles farming", but I don't, because I do respect all players, it's everybody's choice; it doesn't matter whether you play PvP or PvE, you can find real teamwork and intelligence anywhere, it depends on your team; of course, if you h/h everything, it can't be compared to high-end PvPing.

I have played enough PvP (GvG/HA/AB/TA/RA) and never took it seriously. Yes, I am able to design a unique and successful team build, to waste hours and hours of my precious gametime on trainings to become pro ingame (lol). But I play for fun. I come online to have fun (as opposite to real life's "tactical, strategical, coordination, obedience..." etc etc etc)... So give me PvP grind. If you dislike grind - just don't do it - go play GvG and farm Champion points, but I personally want grind. That's what I expect from possible PvP expansion.


EDIT.
Imho: PvP can be different, can't it?

"Successful" is a matter of interpretation.

As much as I hate fame farming, and never liked HA myself, you're greatly mistaken. Even the simplest HA builds are more demanding to run than doing some PvE stuff like missions, quests etc. You could play IWAY, and still will have to focus, while in PvE tons of stuff are done by C+Space.

It's really not that difficult to prove. Here, I'll take 3 heroes and 4 henchies and do some average mission in PvE. I will ONLY use C+Space (well, as much as possible). You go and fight an average player in Hero Battles. Only press C+Space. Good luck.


Random Arena, which really isn't even organized PvP, will require 10x more focus and thinking than PvE. And I'd really love to see you braindlessly farm Gladiator title, or Champion title, or just about any PvP title for that matter. On the other hand, guess how I farmed Lightbringer title... I browsed websites, was hitting tab all the time and just C+spacing almost all the time.

No you don't. You just try to gain positive image with "I respect everyone".

I for one am insulted with your opinion.

That's not debatable. But the level greatly varies from PvP to PvE. Teamwork in PvP is on so much higher level than that of PvE, that I think no proof is even needed.

Notice the other people around you? They don't orbit around you they have their own lives, their own desires and goals.

I for one enjoy in making team builds, individual builds, in strategy and coordination. It's fun for me. It's fun for many others (proof is not needed, PvP testifies itself).



btw, I don't have anything against your proposal except I'm not sure how that would look like. Do you want something like deathmatch masacre where people are automatically rezed and they gain points for kill.... something like that? I really don't have anything against it But don't use the word grind, it gives me shivers p

In fact, I mean exactly what I said. I can't seem to finish Hells precipe, or some Nightfall missions, by hench, which are PvE standard nowadays, I can however go to PvP and be better than most players out there, ergo: I consider PvP to be more easy than PvE.

Especially RA/AB, but (relatively low level) Guild Battles, TA and HA as well. It's just so logical in PvP how your build works and what your role in the team is, while in PvE your role is always everything due to failing AI, plus monsters are higher level, are smarter than your henchies/heroes and come in larger groups than in PvP.