101 cart points for master of the north title?

crazybanshee

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

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I see on guildwiki that we can supposedly get 316 points on the master of the north title track so far, and that 101 of those points are for cartography. I'm at 315 points. I've done all the missions, quests, dungeons. I've been to every town and scraped every area (I have legendary cartographer so I know how to scrape) I still only have 315 points. Is guildwiki wrong (I mean, how can you get 101 cartography points, if it's 1 point per %?) or did I miss something? I've never used one of those map fog color things that people were talking about but this would tempt me to do it if I'm missing something.

sykoone

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mystical Chaos

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Most people assume the extra 1 point is the leeway allowed in gaining 100%.

bloodvayne

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2007

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I personally think it's a bunch of photobucket fun, and atm it's not like there is anyway to prove it ISN'T, so... yeah

Meat Axe

Meat Axe

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

Brisbane, Australia

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Yeah, I also only managed to get 100 points for cartography (although I'm nowhere near 315 or 316 points in the title, since I haven't done any of the dungeons except the snowman one and heart of the shiverpeaks). But even if it is true you can get that extra point, I doubt it'll matter. Once the max tier is determined, I really doubt that the leeway in the cartography title will really make any difference at all. Don't waste your time on it unless you have a specific reason.

TideSwayer

TideSwayer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

We Farm Your [?????????s]

So Anet goes to all the trouble of splitting up the older titles only to eventually put in one that is a smorgasbord of various EotN things?

Pretty consistent way of thinking. Not.

Lord Feathers

Lord Feathers

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2007

ROAR - Rangers of Ascalon Return

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Have 316 here myself so that number is possible.

TyrianFury

TyrianFury

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Join Date: May 2006

UK

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I have ended up with 315, wall hugged each area. It must be leeway since the only way to max the title track further is by completing the primary quests and dungeons in hardmode.

freekedoutfish

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

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Just another reason we should have had a seperate exploration title for GWEN!

crazybanshee

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by TideSwayer
So Anet goes to all the trouble of splitting up the older titles only to eventually put in one that is a smorgasbord of various EotN things?

Pretty consistent way of thinking. Not. Well, I can see why they did this. On the one hand I would be really annoyed if all of a sudden any legendary titles I had were no longer legendary, probably causing me to drop in kind of a big deal rank, and forcing everyone to buy gwen just to get back what they had before. I guess having it all lumped under 1 title was their compromise, making it all matter in some way but not taking away from people who have the titles already.

freekedoutfish

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by crazybanshee
Well, I can see why they did this. On the one hand I would be really annoyed if all of a sudden any legendary titles I had were no longer legendary, probably causing me to drop in kind of a big deal rank, and forcing everyone to buy gwen just to get back what they had before. I guess having it all lumped under 1 title was their compromise, making it all matter in some way but not taking away from people who have the titles already. The thing is though, they wouldnt have needed to add GWEN to the legendary cartog title. The area is too small and easy to explore to do that!

All the had to do was add a seperate title called "Northern explorer" and problem solved!

I have LC and I wouldnt have complained at having a seperate GWEN exploration title. It would have made alot more sense then combing GWEN exploration with dungeon completion.

It goes agains the pre-existing system and you have done a % mark to work with in GWEN.

They should have just used a mission title for dungeons, like in previous campaigns and just counted when you have done them all!

I dont really see the need or reason for the GWEN title. its not even one that I can see anyone displaying with pride beacuse its so damn easy to get.

oljomo

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by freekedoutfish
The thing is though, they wouldnt have needed to add GWEN to the legendary cartog title. The area is too small and easy to explore to do that!

All the had to do was add a seperate title called "Northern explorer" and problem solved!

I have LC and I wouldnt have complained at having a seperate GWEN exploration title. It would have made alot more sense then combing GWEN exploration with dungeon completion.

It goes agains the pre-existing system and you have done a % mark to work with in GWEN.

They should have just used a mission title for dungeons, like in previous campaigns and just counted when you have done them all!

I dont really see the need or reason for the GWEN title. its not even one that I can see anyone displaying with pride beacuse its so damn easy to get. Hi

you really copntradict yourself there.... noone would display it with pride cos it was so easy, but it should have its own title...

The reason its combined is cos it would be too easy otherwise.

Charge Thunder

Charge Thunder

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2007

Can't Touch [This]

R/Me

People who have 315 or 316 mastery points... i now have 301 i still need to do 1 dungeon and i scraped every area but i am still missing 5 points then... is it possible the get on the big spikey thing in the middle of charrhomeland? i saw ik completely uncoverd on screenshots of the map but i tried every possible way to get there and i just cant!... plz help me

R!ghteous Ind!gnation

R!ghteous Ind!gnation

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

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Well there will obviously be more content before long anyway. (as 316 isnt max regardless.

Charge Thunder

Charge Thunder

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2007

Can't Touch [This]

R/Me

yeah i know but still it satisfies me to get everything explored

Matrix

Matrix

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

E/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Charge Thunder
People who have 315 or 316 mastery points... i now have 301 i still need to do 1 dungeon and i scraped every area but i am still missing 5 points then... is it possible the get on the big spikey thing in the middle of charrhomeland? i saw ik completely uncoverd on screenshots of the map but i tried every possible way to get there and i just cant!... plz help me Seems like you are missing the quest.
5% is like a full area so check your quests..
You get 5 point for quests.

Charge Thunder

Charge Thunder

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2007

Can't Touch [This]

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Yeah well i explored a bit more now and i got 1 point more so now i am missing 4 i did all primary's and i do have all areas... so now i am scraping everything again... but is there a way to get on the big spikey thing in the middle of charr homeland?

freekedoutfish

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by oljomo
Hi

you really copntradict yourself there.... noone would display it with pride cos it was so easy, but it should have its own title...

The reason its combined is cos it would be too easy otherwise.
If you want to talk about these titles + pride in having them + their usefullness....

...the main GWEN title is completely pointless because it doesnt really display anything to be proud of. It only shows that you have done dungeons atleast once or several times and explored really easy territory.

In theory you could replay one dungeon over and over again and max that title (from the way I understand it).

You can also argue the reputation titles are pointless, because their only of use inside GWEN. The norn and asura titles dont take effect anywhere except in their own territory, the Vanguard only works with char and the Drawf one against destroyers.

And even after that small snag, their mostly useless anyway! Its only really the drawf title which could be concidered critical, and thats only in glints challenge and maybe the odd dungeon or quest.

You have little contact with Drestroyers in GWEN for the drawf title to be of huge use! The char can be defeated easily without using the vangaurd title, the Norn extra health doesnt come in that handy, and Asuran extra energy add much (from an ele perspective).

The bottom line IMO is that none of the titles in GWEN (except maybe the Drawf one when fighting the few destroyers you meet), arent that important, critical or impressive!

If the reputation titles could be used outside of GWEN it would be a different story, but you cant!

Note: im sure alot of players will dictate that these reputation titles are vitally important and certain aspects need them, and thats their right. But IMO nothing in the game is critical upon those titles!

Anyhoo...

...so yes, none of the GWEN titles hold any real pride to them, but it wud be nice if they atleast all made sense. A seperate GWEN exploration and Dungeon completion title would have been nicer IMO.

Combing the exploration and dungeon completion just doesnt seem right to me. Id have much rather had seperate ones. Plus whats easier to read when exploring.. 301 points or 99%? 301 points means nothing because you dont know what the max is!

As an explorer, id rather have %s to read!

And a dungeon title might have been more fun to display, and maybe add an effect to it (no idea what).

bloodvayne

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2007

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Feathers
Have 316 here myself so that number is possible. Proof?

You can't give proof, as any image you post I will just say is photoshopped, and it's not like you can show me in-game. I explored everything, even after I got the 100 points I found more to explore, and it still didn't go up by that 101st point, so I don't believe that there are currently 316. Call it my loss if you want, but I don't believe it until there is solid proof.

Exoudeous

Exoudeous

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Honor Warriors

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Quote:
Originally Posted by freekedoutfish
In theory you could replay one dungeon over and over again and max that title (from the way I understand it). you only get points for completeing something once, which is why every other post in this topic says you can only get 315-316 points now

Charge Thunder

Charge Thunder

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2007

Can't Touch [This]

R/Me

I got 304 now but i still need a dungeon so its 314 ectualy... sinds it was 304 i explored allot of pieces... making use of a texture mod i swore not 2 use but i realy couldn't find things to explore anymore i think if i do a bit more i wil get 305... but i still wonder if you can get on the big spike spine like thing in the middle of charr homeland... and what bothers me even more... WTH is it!

pkodyssey

pkodyssey

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

In a cardboard box with Internet

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Quote:
Originally Posted by bloodvayne
Proof?

You can't give proof, as any image you post I will just say is photoshopped, and it's not like you can show me in-game. I explored everything, even after I got the 100 points I found more to explore, and it still didn't go up by that 101st point, so I don't believe that there are currently 316. Call it my loss if you want, but I don't believe it until there is solid proof.
I NEVER reply to stuff like this, but with the constant spam of negativity, I had to put my thoughts down.

It's always safe to assume that everyone lies and is trying to deceive the community. Just because "you" can't do it, then it can't be done. Talk about arrogance!

How about giving credit where credit is due. Lord Feathers, gratz on getting what others are having difficulty with.

bloodvayne

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2007

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Quote:
Originally Posted by pkodyssey
I NEVER reply to stuff like this, but with the constant spam of negativity, I had to put my thoughts down.

It's always safe to assume that everyone lies and is trying to deceive the community. Just because "you" can't do it, then it can't be done. Talk about arrogance!

How about giving credit where credit is due. Lord Feathers, gratz on getting what others are having difficulty with. Or maybe, just maybe...

I don't want to believe it, because if I do believe it, and it ends up being wrong... I would end up exploring forever, yet not getting anything because that extra 1 point doesn't exist?

I'm not being negative, I'm being smart.

Like I said, I'll gladly change my side of things if/when proof is available

Evilsod

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

How picky is this Cartographer title? As it as picky as the old Cartographers were where you had wall hug every square inch to get what you want.

I'm currently on 306 points... i was first thinking that maybe it just hadn't counted something i did before Gwen or somet, because looking at the map there is no way in hell i've missed 10% of GWEN without wall hugging every square millimetre...

Carinae

Carinae

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

Inside

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I'm thinking there's a bug, because I've finished GWEN, done all the quests, edgewalked the whole thing and I have 271 + 4 dungeons left to do. That comes to 311.

I suspect there is a bug with a quest and may possibly have something to do with the preview weekend.

cyber88

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2006

Actually, I may know where the 5 points may come from. There is 2 Gwen exclusive quests & 1 of them is only available to prophecies characters. The "Fire & Pain" quest which just need a preserved iris flower or iris flower or tattered cape. This is available to all characters.

However, the "Then & Now, Here & There" is only available to the prophecies characters & the additional conditions are that character must received a tapestry shred from Gwen herself at pre-searing & must pass a tapestry shred to her @ Hall of Monument for that quest.

I am not too sure this could be the "bugged" 5 pts. Hope it helps though.

Matrix

Matrix

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

E/Me

I am at 305 at the moment and still have to do one dungeon.
I wall huged every area. So i am not sure why it doesnt let you gus get a full set of points.
Maybe check wiki for quests that give points. As well i dont remeber doing any quests with Iris flowers, maybe i am missing something:S

Carinae

Carinae

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

Inside

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

Quote:
Originally Posted by cyber88
Actually, I may know where the 5 points may come from. There is 2 Gwen exclusive quests & 1 of them is only available to prophecies characters. The "Fire & Pain" quest which just need a preserved iris flower or iris flower or tattered cape. This is available to all characters.

However, the "Then & Now, Here & There" is only available to the prophecies characters & the additional conditions are that character must received a tapestry shred from Gwen herself at pre-searing & must pass a tapestry shred to her @ Hall of Monument for that quest.

I am not too sure this could be the "bugged" 5 pts. Hope it helps though. Yea, I've already done both, still 5pts short. Thx tho

crazybanshee

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Look out!

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Quote:
Originally Posted by cyber88
Actually, I may know where the 5 points may come from. There is 2 Gwen exclusive quests & 1 of them is only available to prophecies characters. The "Fire & Pain" quest which just need a preserved iris flower or iris flower or tattered cape. This is available to all characters.

However, the "Then & Now, Here & There" is only available to the prophecies characters & the additional conditions are that character must received a tapestry shred from Gwen herself at pre-searing & must pass a tapestry shred to her @ Hall of Monument for that quest.

I am not too sure this could be the "bugged" 5 pts. Hope it helps though. although I play a tyrian char, I never did any of the gwen quests in pre because I didn't know about them. I bought a tapestry shred off a guildie who was running them from pre, and I did the quests from the hall of monuments. it would be interesting to see if other chars could buy shreds and do the quests.

cyber88

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2006

No problem. It is always good to share infomation.

Meat Axe

Meat Axe

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

Brisbane, Australia

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Charge Thunder
I got 304 now but i still need a dungeon so its 314 ectualy... sinds it was 304 i explored allot of pieces... making use of a texture mod i swore not 2 use but i realy couldn't find things to explore anymore i think if i do a bit more i wil get 305... but i still wonder if you can get on the big spike spine like thing in the middle of charr homeland... and what bothers me even more... WTH is it! As far as I know, you can't get on the spiney thing in the Charr homelands. I think that the maps you've seen with it full uncovered would be maps that have been modified to not have the fog overlay (I'm pretty sure you can pull one out of the .dat file, or use texmod to get rid of the fog or something). As to what it is, no one really knows for sure, but the concept art on the official site for this has something to do with a dragon in the title (at least, that's what it's called in the fansite concept art kit you can download).

Phoenix Tears

Phoenix Tears

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by TyrianFury
I have ended up with 315, wall hugged each area. It must be leeway since the only way to max the title track further is by completing the primary quests and dungeons in hardmode. false ..

316 points is the absolute maximum any player can reach atm.
No one can reach 350 points for R3 in GW:En in the moment, because nothing lets you reach it, Anet has to put in more dungeons or more Quests for this per next Add on or by a FoS like update ... so that the title can be maxed, and who know, if r3 is even max ?
i personally would find this title cheap, when we could max it with 350 lousy points...

I see this as perfect way to introduce some dungeons to into south tyria (proph) and to cantha/elona, what woukld be nice, when al over the world are some dungeon.
through netx add on anet could use this then to give us again new explorable areas and to make certain areas on the old maps that were before untravelalbe > travelable, like they did in GW:EN
then do in again some new PvE only skills and normal/elite skills, which lower a bit the big difference in # of skills for the newer classes (core classes have enough skills per class), or maybe introduce 2 new profs with like 100 start skills each.

However, it brings nothign to discuss in the moment about master of the north title, because its atm simple unmaxable, you can all read this in the official Guil Wiki

PS: GW:EN has/gets no hardmode, because GW:EN is still like hardmode .... or what want you see, that monsters in GW:En get even more tougher ? thta you have to fight vs. hundreds of lvl 35+ monsters, where destroyers get like certain monsters of the underworld > unbeatable, unti u kill something special, or that they can double themself, short before they die or that more come, when you kill them ike the big titans ?
that dungeons have then no rezz shrines anymore and that rezz skills wont work in dungeons in HM ?
guy, please think first on, that casural players want to play GW:En too, and not only the absolute hardcore freaks, with love to get perma instant full party wiped -.-

mcsumo

mcsumo

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

SOS

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Phoenix, I like your thought of more content coming our way. It is something I have been thinking about since finishing the game so quickly. But some of your ideas are plain wrong.

We already know that there are no new classes coming and we were told from the start that not many new PvP usable skills were coming. It is all to do with the current business model making everything too bloated and hard to balance.

Oh and there is a thread somewhere, in which Gaile has confirmed hard mode is coming to GWEN.

Phoenix Tears

Phoenix Tears

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2007

hmm, can you link me this thread ?
i would love to know, what we can really expect from the GW:EN HM, when GW:EN is still like HM of the 3 campaign's HM.

I personally don't want to see, how more unbalanced this in HM for GW:EN should become, when mosnter groups get even more bigger, mosnter levels get even more unfairer vs us. that we stay ever at stupid max of 20, where i would see for fairness finally a rise of to at least max lvl 25 to get in a bit more balance again, when we would have to fight then vs. enemies that are far beyound the strength of lvl 30 bosses.

HM for GW:En would be only a big kick into the ass for casual players, which would be forced to play with other players, becasue with H/H you can still forget like 75% of the dungeons in "NM" of GW:EN, because H/H is simple too weak for GW:En or the AI is as ever simple too dumb ...
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about content for me personally is sure, that there wil follow something, look only on the tyria map, do you find those 2 big ugly black sides nice?
When i want to look on a world map, then i want so see everything and not such 2 huge black holes.
on the right for for example is space for a NF Add on and on the left maybe then a FA Add on, which will bring in maybe some new continents ...
The wrold of GW could have still some continents more

Cantha > Asia
Elona > Africa
Tyria/Kryta > Europe/Greenland

We've nothing for North/South America, nothing for Australia and nothing for the Antarctic/Arctic, would be 3-4 new continents/campaigns to make our world complete. i pesonall< would love, when next continents would receive some names, that end not with "a", what could also be some new professions.
But i think alos, that most new stuff will surely come with GW2

freekedoutfish

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Exoudeous
you only get points for completeing something once, which is why every other post in this topic says you can only get 315-316 points now Do you? I was under the impression you got points again (but less) for redoing dungeons. My mistakes.

Charge Thunder

Charge Thunder

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2007

Can't Touch [This]

R/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Meat Axe
As far as I know, you can't get on the spiney thing in the Charr homelands. I think that the maps you've seen with it full uncovered would be maps that have been modified to not have the fog overlay (I'm pretty sure you can pull one out of the .dat file, or use texmod to get rid of the fog or something). As to what it is, no one really knows for sure, but the concept art on the official site for this has something to do with a dragon in the title (at least, that's what it's called in the fansite concept art kit you can download). ok then i guess that is what i saw...

for the one asking about how picky it is... its the same as other chapters... i compare it to tyria an cantha... but there is less area so less scapping but it is realy picky you need to stand on spots and turn a few time before it unfogs!

puffzilla

puffzilla

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

The Black Hand Gang [BHG]

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If you noticed wiki and gw had the title at a rank 5 or 6 with like 750 points.

I'm guessing that since there's no specific vanq or quardian title track that we'll have to vanq and do all the dungeons in hm to finish off that title track .

thunderai

thunderai

Community Works Moderator

Join Date: Jan 2007

USA

Centre of the Aerodrome

R/Mo

I currenthly have 296 points or so. I have every dungeon but Slavers completed and my maps looks pretty complete.

So my question is:

Does exploring in dungeons count towards these points. I know completing them does but does unvocovering every last hidden part count?

Terra Xin

Terra Xin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Mar 2006

New Zealand

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Quote:
Originally Posted by bloodvayne
Or maybe, just maybe...

I don't want to believe it, because if I do believe it, and it ends up being wrong... I would end up exploring forever, yet not getting anything because that extra 1 point doesn't exist?

I'm not being negative, I'm being smart.

Like I said, I'll gladly change my side of things if/when proof is available Smart? So you have proof that getting 316 is not possible? Let's just see your screenie that you have 315 along with every relevant screenshot that you have explored every area... oh no wait, that could be done with photoshop!! You can't prove that people are wrong just because you refuse their proof to be right.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Talk:... r_exploration

If you're still not convinced then don't worry, 315 is a good achievement *cough* nah j/k.

bloodvayne

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2007

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Terra Xin
Smart? So you have proof that getting 316 is not possible? Let's just see your screenie that you have 315 along with every relevant screenshot that you have explored every area... oh no wait, that could be done with photoshop!! You can't prove that people are wrong just because you refuse their proof to be right.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Talk:... r_exploration

If you're still not convinced then don't worry, 315 is a good achievement *cough* nah j/k. Lol, did I say I was right?
Just like you can believe the 316 people if you want to, you can believe me if you want to.
I'm not trying to influence anyone's choice, just speaking what choice I'm making, and that choice is to not believe that it's possible to get 316 as there is no proof. I'm not trying to prove anyone wrong, just saying there is no proof that they're right.

Brega

Brega

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

The Hidden Nexus [ESP]



well here is my proof. One other person in my guild also has 316pts on this title. Wether or not you choose to believe is up to you.