Between Now and GW2: New Armors?

As some of you might discover by observing my avatar, my main characters are an Elementalist and a Dervish. Now, I'm quite happy with the selection of armors I may strive and work for for my Ele; certainly a goal I can work for in the coming months. With over thirty armor sets to choose from, many of them interchangeable, the possibilities are quite vast and pleasing. The same is true for any core character I might choose to create and work on. For instance, my little used Warrior is itching for a set of 15k templar; my ranger wants some Ancient And Kurzick armor (She's very demanding).

Even should I choose to create a Ritualist or an Assassin I will still have a great mix to chose from. Nineteen sets in all, again many of them interchangeable.

However, when I look at the Dervishes (or Paragons for that matter) selection of only a paltry twelve sets, it makes me wonder; will the Nightfall proffessions ever have the same assortment of armor sets to choose from that the other proffessions enjoy?

Certain Nightfall armorers will craft armors for the factions characters. And even in their own game the Factions characters enjoy a much wider selection than the Nightfall proffessions do based on various storyline elements or otherwise.

Basically; wouldn't it be nice if over the next few months, in between finishing GW:EN and GW2's initial beta, if new sets of armors would appear that would make the Nightfall proffessions at least on par with what Factions characters can select from? Or, dare I say, that armorers would acknowledge the spreading of characters to even the farthest reaches of the known world, and you could get Droknars Paragon, Marhan's Grotto Assassin, or Luxon Dervish armor?

Anyway, just something I was thinking about. Thanks for reading.

Non core professions won't likely get the same amount of sets as core professions. Whenever they add armour, they add the same amount to each profession - with warriors sometimes getting a bit more. Probably due to how much this community whines, leaving out whole classes in an expansion would cause a riot. However, I'm doubtful that EotN will be the last expansion. While Dervishes and paragons may not have as many armour sets as older professions, they will probably get more (along with the older professions).

Whilst I doubt that Dervishes/Paragons will ever get the same amount of armours as core characters, it would be nice to see some armours for them in Factions at least, in the same way that Assassins and Ritualists can come to Elona and get their Elite Armours, I would personally LOVE to go and get some Kurzick Dervish Armour, or Paragon for that matter, as I would highly doubt it would be shiny white like the rest of them...

I would rather have them FIX some armors and then start worrying about new armors or they keep making the same mistake.

I hope they will pay attention to stuff like this in GW2. Q.Q

Wiki:

Elementalist Sunspear:
when running in High-quality texture you can see the edge of the boots pass through the pants, it is very visible when your character is far.

Elementalist Elite Canthan:
There seems to be a glitch when you move your mouse over someone with this armor dyed black; the armor disappears and you can see through that person

Monk Ancient, Monk Elite Sunspear,Monk Primeval, Monk Vabbian, Warrior Primeval:
Clipping Issues.

Mesmer Obsidian:
Wierd bug when running.

That makes me want to go out and get those armors so I can see.

And yes, I have a feeling that if GW is going to last in the void between now and GW2's official release that there will have to be some manner of expansion that people will want to buy. Even if all it does is add new armors, guild halls, and the ability to change your hairstyle. I know one of the main selling points for GW:EN in my case was being able to get new armors for my characters. That's really the only way I spend my money, not on weapons or minipets.

Agreed, and the cynic in me says that's why the armors in GWEN sucked so bad... so we'd go out and buy an "armor pack"...

That said, I'd do it in a minute if it counted towards the bonus missions... still need to spend $15 on the online store, and rather not buy 2 character slots.

As much as I'd like to see more armors for non-core classes, I think I'd prefer more skills so they'd all have an equal number of skills and a little more variety in what they can do. Let's face it, dervs and paras are going to remain essentially the same since NF came out with less oppertunities for new builds largely because they have the smallest selection of skills.

And I'd refuse to buy an armor pack because they dropped the ball on the GWEN armors so badly. I paid for 40 new armors when I bought that game, and Anet still owes us at least 30.

They might. I mean, they added 15k templar and 15k glad helms and 15k tormenters. Granted, it took like 16 months, but it did happen... eventually.

I agree with that. I hope they make new armors available to us (for free) to make up with the lackluster armors we got in GW:EN.

Not to mention that we didn't even get the full 40 sets we were promised.

I could say I'd agree with you. Then again complaining doesn't really matter anymore these days. People just have to be happy with what they have gotten for their money /sigh

I have agree, especially with the Obsidian armors. It is the most expensive armor set with the most clipping and modeling. Seems like more effort should have been put into this particular armor set to eliminate bugs and rendering problems given its prestige.

Female Derv Obsidian:
The hands seem to be missing rists in towns, as visible they do not cleanly attach to the arms. Also there is a gap when between the hips and the waste on the side when viewed from certain angles as the mesh looks torn.

Female Elementalist Obsidian:
When dancing the top of the her leggings pertrude through her chest piece.

Just give us the hero armors.

Also, I'm a female warrior and I must have Captain Langmar's warrior armor. It's absolutely fabulous.

Paragon armor that you get in the command post that has the thing going behind their head, that is glitched also. Sometimes it just disapears, or your head goes through it while running, and sometimes you can see through the paragons head.

Agreed.

And not just for new sets - I'd like to see some new sets that aren't the same as the existing ones. Even counting just Factions, the Assassins and Ritualists had several styles to choose from, while the Nightfall professions mostly just get subtle variations on the same style.

Eye of the North is essentially a Tyrian expansion... maybe there's room for an Elonian expansion? Or an Elonian/Canthan expansion set in the seas in between?

ArenaNet is focusing 100% on GW2 right now, and I'd like to keep it that way! Give us something good or don't give us anything at all!

You actually expect them to add more content to Guild Wars at this point? They already have all your money, what motivation do they really have? GW is dead in the water until GW2, so you'd better get used to what you've got, because you're stuck with it.

lol while it's tru that they're completely 100% focused on GW2 right now (thank god) i would like to see a full set for Deldrimor armor. I mean right now they're only missing the hand armor, the other pieces fit pretty nice but i would like to see my ranger's dwarf vest in the HoM --- looks pretty nice dyed red =D

1) Keeping people interested

2) Proving themselves not to be liars - they have stated that the removal of the campaigns system will allow the introduction of content that they would have liked to incorporate into GW but couldn't because they were busy "reinventing the game for each campaign", which they'd be looking to introduce.

Concentrating on GW2 doesn't necassarily mean they've given up on GW1 entirely.

A few points:

1. If they don't need all of their 140+ people working on GW2 then Anet should have at least some of them supporting GW1. They had 2 teams working on the GW1 games, they can have the A team work on GW2 and the B team to continue to support and improve GW1.

2. Anet's most recent product GWEN is something that's fun and added dungeons as new features, but left people feeling that it was composed of too much optional stuff and grind and left people feeling partly gypped. A short storyline, recycled armors, not enough new PvP skills to reinvigorate places like HA and GvG, a HoM that is a mixed bag (but not as bad as it was) and no new char slot leaves people with the feeling that GWEN is fun at it's core, but is missing the extras. If this is their last product before GW2, it's going to cause them some sales shortfalls.

3. Their ongoing customer support of the game is a key to their company's success according to Jeff Strain. Not continuing to support GW1 according to his publicly stated theories would be a big mistake on Anet's part.

4. GW2 is 2-3 years away. That's plenty of time for people to either get bored with the GW franchise or forget about it/move on.

5. Continuing to work with GW1 would allow them to gain more experience to put to use for GW2. If possible they could have another expansion to try out some of the things they want to do in GW2 (like player crafting if they want to do that in the next game) and figure out how to best work that in.

6. Prior to GWEN releasing ANet sold 4 million games... that should have been enough to break even if not turn a small profit. With GWEN's release they should be even better off. They also have the potential to sell even more games as GW1 gets cheaper or sell more character slots.

7. Adding it all up, they should have enough reasons to at least provide a small amount of continued support for GW1. If they don't, while I can't speak for anyone else, I will feel like ANet abandoned the fanbase after they made their quick GWEN buck.

agreed mortakai and i dont know if this hasss been said but holy crap anet warrior armor is all f****** reskins probably with other armor to. so ya i think theres between 15-20 real origianl armor sets while the rest are all reskins. for example. i got monument armor second day of gwen thinkin o im gona look so leet then guess what happens. i notice that the helm is a reskins and slightly uglier templar helmet. then i see the chest peice, wait a second this looks exactly like my sunspear/kurzick armor, then i see the gloves they didnt even bother to change the elbow spike coming off the primeval armor all they did was cover it in white!!! then the boots which are basically luxon with a few missing scales. im not sure about the leggings they may be original but they are so ugly it does really make a difference. theres my rant...

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Originally Posted by draxynnic 1) Keeping people interested 2) Proving themselves not to be liars - they have stated that the removal of the campaigns system will allow the introduction of content that they would have liked to incorporate into GW but couldn't because they were busy "reinventing the game for each campaign", which they'd be looking to introduce.

1) They don't care.
2) They don't care.

You payed, you played, and you can pray, but let's face it, they simply don't care anymore. Their PR is too scared to comment on the expansion beyond useless tidbits and snippets here and there, their design team is made up of blind zombies, and their programmers are still as lacking as they have always been. They have our money, and that's all they wanted to begin with.

Ladies and Gentlemen of Guild Wars, we have been scammed.

I would be quite happy to PAY for this expansion if it gave me new armors, along with a multitude of very popular ideas like hairstylists, a selling town or other trade augmentation, and really anything else.

The storylines where you have to save the world is finished, at least with GW1. Now it's about your characters and their daily lives afterwards. I think it would be fitting that there be an expansion that follows that idea.


But, getting back to the point of the topic, It would be very nice if they brought the number of armors for Elonian Professions up to par with the Canthan Professions. And possibly, they might bring both of those campaigns up to par with what the Core Professions have. We have another two years, at least, before GW2 officially comes out and they start making money from it. I doubt that during that time they would completely abandon GW1 becuase, probably, a very large majority or the initial buyers of GW2 will be us. People who take the time to come to forums and ask for updates. They won't get those initial buyers by turning their back on a game that they have spent so much time crafting for the last 3+ years.

Yeah, letting us make Heroes' or Henchmens' armour would be a big increase in the number of armour available, with no rework needed. They can even be lazy and make it gender specific, like only females get a set of Margrid-style Corsair Ranger armour.

Does my Norgu-style armour make me look fat?

That's something I've been pondering as well (ever since I saw mysterious armour sets), there are some very nice hero-only armour skins.

Hands up all those with female Dervish characters who would pay 75k for Varesh's outfit. (You've killed her, might as well go through her wardrobe while you're at it and make it look like a break-in.)

My vote for female Warrior armour that would be so nice if available for players: You're one lucky gal, Lieutenant Murunda!
http://gw.gamewikis.org/images/9/90/Murundanpc.jpg

Since we're coming to the end of the game, perhaps A-net should let their hair down a little and overlook some of the rules they enforced on their design team.

I can see it now, lots of warriors doing synchronised dancing in Kamadan, dressed just like Koss. (MY EYES!)

True sadly enough, only reason i can come up with to add new armors and/or features is to convince the player base to buy gw2.

but even then they might just want to make advertisements for gw2 when it comes out, and ignore gw....

Exactly. So long as they stay silent, Anet can pretty much skate by without much effort over the next few months: October (Halloween Event), November (Bonus Pack), December (Wintersday), so don't expect any big GWEN-related announcements or changes. I think that all people are looking for is some sort of announcement, whether it be a conformation or a denial of what is going to happen: like green items in the valor monument (I would love to know if my green are going to be allowed, so I can finally decide to sell them or not), new armor, hardmode, SF-like expansion, minipet customization fix, better drop rate... the list could go on and on, but the I think we would feel better if we could just get a timeline or some sort of info as to what is going on.

I fear people are right, GW1 will get nothing more.

I feel sad - the huge, empty Tyria map hurts me!

We never got a free content expansion that mattered after Sorrow's Furnace. I hope they at least bother to work a bit harder on fixing GW:EN and adding a bit more nice little things than usual - they owe that their image, as GW:EN was all in all the worst GW ever.

Perhaps we should get new armors instead of reskins too.

STOP!!!

...ok now that I have your attention lol...

We have heard 2 perspectives on this:

A) That ANET could possibly add more content to keep players/fans happy

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B) That ANET has your money and thus has no inscentive to add new content.

And before you get all depressed as you lose hope, or angered that you got ripped off, let us look at this objectively for a moment.

Yes, ANET does have your money. Yes, ANET has turned a profit. Yes, they are focusing on GW2.

But don't forget, this is not WoW. As you can no doubt assume, sales of GW:EN are limited to players with a GW campaign, so there is already a cap on the profit that can be acquired from sales that is directly proportional to the number of campaigns out there. What I am saying is that eventually ANET will stop turning a profit from GW:EN.

We cannot realistically expect GW2 for another 3/2 to 2 years. I think that sales of GW:EN will simmer down by then. Consider the expenses ANET incures daily (wages, utility bills, stationary, communications, etc). Now think of the costs to operate vs the income from GW:EN...

And I think you got the picture...ANET is betting on GW2 sales to cover their intermediary costs!

SO! This means that ANET cannot afford to lose its client base to boredem. In fact to cover their expenses they need an even larger client base than they have now! A bad release of GW2 yielding less profit then they need to cover their prior expenses could put them under. Its a somewhat risky business I think.

What does this mean for us you say? It means that neither A) or B) are fully correct. Instead, I think you can realistically expect ANET to very closely montior the state of GW1, while they devote as much time as they can to GW2, and you can expect that ANET will release some add-on(s) in the future. If there remains serious outcry for new armors I am sure ANET will provide them, but not right now.

Let me ask you this...what is the sense in adding new armors now? when players/fans will get bored of them in 6 months? From a marketing point of view it makes more sense to release said armors in 6 months to a year to regenerate excitement and interest in the game.

So, really this is about ANET keeping GW1 alive long enough to get GW2 out the door, not about making GW1 super-enjoyable. ANET is striking the balance, between what they would like to do, what fans want, what they can afford to do, and and what they can do. And you can be sure that if GW1 starts to slip, they will redevote their attention to making players happy!

Thats my 2 and 1/2 cents

I would like to see anet improve the Gwen armor (but I actually think norn ele looks pretty good).

I don't want any new armor's that will show up in the HoM. Getting the existing Prestige sets is costing me a fortune as it is. There 10 different sets of armor I can choose from (prestige) more if you count the 1.5k armor.

1. NCsoft is the backer of GW2 and so on, so they really wont be running out of money or profit anytime soon.

2. They probaly are ignoring the public not because they are busy with GW2, its because they want most of the issues to blow over in a few months or so first. Maybe so we will live or accept the problems.

3. Anet said that the rest of the design a weapon entrys will be added in a fun way. I am guessing its the mission pack bonus we get in November. And in that time, maybe they will add ways to purchase more things online, such as armors, weapons, additional content, ect....

The only thing fun now in GW that i do is play with a friend a few nights a week. The rest of the time i have trouble finding something i want to do. I would of really loved to have some new armor or new end game content.

I have to agree with you here. Making new content is time consuming, but, they could make an "Ultra Hard Mode" for the elite areas and 4x the rewards. That would certainly revive some interest in these areas once ppl get bored of GW:EN.

Looks very similar to the Luxon leggings to me. Maybe a few modifications to the model, but that's certainly what it's based off.

Which is all wrong on two counts: First, it just looks silly with the torso and gloves being so heavy and the leggings and boots being light (the female just looks top-heavy) and second because all the Ascalonian and Ebon Vanguard warrior (and even assassin) NPCs are wearing full armour - admittedly mostly leather, but not bare skin and not nearly so top-heavy as the female Warrior Monument.

On adding stuff to GW1: I quote from the PCGamer article: "We have a list of cool things we wanted to put into the previous campaigns but couldn't (due to time constraints on release)". The implication is that they are considering implementing some of them between now and GW2 - and with all the evil eyes that are being directed at GW2 and EOTN, I think, as a previous poster stated, that their incentive is to make sure they still have a fanbase when GW2 rolls around.

Lol. Joke post.

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I got tons of money to spent fron now till GW2, I'll make myself broke from armor.

I'll take screenshot after I spent every everything (the day before GW2)

Echoing one of Gattocheese's sentiments: I wouldn't preclude the possibility of additional new and/or exclusive content being purchasable through the in-game store during the interim between GW:EN and GW2.

I hope that doesn't happen, though. I still have some faith in Anet, despite a number of wrongs that have been incurred on me. (the title-grind turn of EN) Some of our current mish-mashed EN armor sets are... awkward, to say the least. Personally I would like to see something Sorrow's Furnace-styled sprout in a few months or so.

Who knows, though. The developers know one thing, though. They've got to get people interested in GW2 enough to buy it, which makes me think that we haven't seen the last of some type of additional content that leads into it.

Just pray it won't be pay-to-play content.

With the bonus missions they are releasing, it looks like they are trying to move into that direction.

It would be a critical mistake for Anet not to release any more content. As it is, I think the consensus is that EotN is not all that many people hoped it would be.

It might well be good enough, but not great. And there are more than a few people feeling hard done by their $40.

If this is their last hurrah to GW1 players and hope that we'll put up with it for the next year or more, and then happily buy GW2, then they are probably naive or limited by their resources. Anet needs to earn our interest right up to perhaps 3-6 months before GW2 launch, or they risk another EQ2.

I have a deep suspicion that Anet would need to fully support GW1 not just up till the launch of GW2, but perhaps for another 6 months after that. This allows GW2 to be fully reviewed and for fence-sitters to make the choice.

Probably not great examples but PS2 is selling twice as much as PS3, as was Sims 1 for a while after Sims 2 was launched. Because a product near the end of its lifespan, has the most content and has fulfilled its potential.

GW1 will not be GW2's competitor in 1-2 year's time when it will be launched. The competitors will be the few MMO launched recently, and possibly WoW still.

I expect something free along the lines of Sorrow's Furnace in the upcoming months. There's plenty of room on the Canthan map still. /hint