Should survivor title be account, or char based upon completion?

wolfwing

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Before anyone jumps on my case I'm saying upon completion, as in, you still need to get the 1,337,500 exp on one char to get the title...but it occurs to me that any char that finally gets this, will probably be lacking in any other titles, especially since it's a title thats restarted alot so your not likly to be doing wisdom/drunkard/treasure hunter and such on it. Meaning you will have a char with 1 title and thats it.

What I was thinking, since this is a title I doubt anyone be doing multiple times, why not make this title showable on any char once you've completed it, and can be put in the HOM one time with the char of your choice.

It just seems to me that after spending months/years getting this title, it seems odd to have it on a char that has no other titles and isn't really your main char and was only made for this title.

Winterclaw

Winterclaw

Wark!!!

Join Date: May 2005

Florida

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I know people who have gotten survivor 3 multiple times.

If you use the right build, it'll only take you about 15-20 hours of gameplay once you have gotten the skills.

wolfwing

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Hmmm, my only real point thuogh is, it's not something you can retroactivly get, and once you get it, thats it for that char probably, least for me.

Arkantos

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

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Yeah, lets make LDoA an account based title too... /sarcasm

This is quite an awful idea. It doesn't take long to get legendary survivor by farming it. Anyone could easily farm it on a monk and show it off on their assassin or something. It would also mean all your characters would have 1 maxed title in the Kind of a Big Deal title track, which is bad. /notsigned

I also don't know what you're talking about saying they'll have no other titles. Once you get it, you're free to die, so you can go and get other titles without fearing you'll lose the legendary survivor.

Res Ipsi

Res Ipsi

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

Canada

Angel Sharks [As]

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/not signed

wolfwing

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Yeah, cept that you would likly not be identifying any golds on it, or opening any chests with that char among any other title thigns that you wouldn't want being lost if you fail the legendery survivor.

Arkantos

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by wolfwing
Yeah, cept that you would likly not be identifying any golds on it, or opening any chests with that char among any other title thigns that you wouldn't want being lost if you fail the legendery survivor.
Sure, you won't specifically go chest running (until you reach legendary survivor) , but you'll still be casually opening chests when they pop up, and theres nothing stopping you from iding the golds you get.

FelixCarter

FelixCarter

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arkantos
It would also mean all your characters would have 1 maxed title in the Kind of a Big Deal title track, which is bad.
Please explain why people on Guru (even the mods, apparently) view accessable titles to the majority as a "bad thing"?

Is this for the grind? The appeal of "1337ism"? A combination of both or something else entirely?

Arkantos

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by FelixCarter
Please explain why people on Guru (even the mods, apparently) view accessable titles to the majority as a "bad thing"?

Is this for the grind? The appeal of "1337ism"? A combination of both or something else entirely?
No, actually. It's because if the legendary survivor title was account based, every single character you have would benefit from one relatively easy task. You do it on one character, that one character deserves it, no other character.

wolfwing

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Nothing preventing you from Iding the golds except that they be wasted on a char that may or may not get the survivor title, I would likly transfer them over to my main char to ID. And any keys I found, least in the high end chest range I transfer too.

Arkantos

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by wolfwing
Nothing preventing you from Iding the golds except that they be wasted on a char that may or may not get the survivor title, I would likly transfer them over to my main char to ID. And any keys I found, least in the high end chest range I transfer too.
Solution: Wait until the character becomes legendary survivor.

HawkofStorms

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

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/notsigned

No reason to do this. If you wanted it on a character, you should have done it.

FelixCarter

FelixCarter

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arkantos
No, actually. It's because if the legendary survivor title was account based, every single character you have would benefit from one relatively easy task. You do it on one character, that one character deserves it, no other character.
If it's not "grind" or "1337ism" and is so "relatively easy", then what's the difference between:

One person droning to get it on 8 seperate characters.
and
One person getting it on one character and being able to show it on all 8.

It's a title. Not a skill that effects PvP. Does a single title really hold that much power in Guild Wars? I didn't realize how much this one title effects everyone around it... Sugoi.

Arkantos

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by FelixCarter
If it's not "grind" or "1337ism" and is so "relatively easy", then what's the difference between:

One person droning to get it on 8 seperate characters.
and
One person getting it on one character and being able to show it on all 8.

It's a title. Not a skill that effects PvP. Does a single title really hold that much power in Guild Wars? I didn't realize how much this one title effects everyone around it... Sugoi.
The difference is that one character did it, not all 8 or however many characters you have.

It's not that it effects everyone around it, it's just all the characters you own don't deserve it. It would also effect the HoM, which is going to effect GW2.

wolfwing

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

well thats sort of the point I was thinking, with HOM allow you to chose one char that gets it. If bonuses are char based and not account based then your going to have survivor bonus one some char with nothing else.

R!ghteous Ind!gnation

R!ghteous Ind!gnation

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

N/

It shouldn't be account based due to the fact that not all characters survived.... you don't get cartographer on all characters because 1 char explored... the others didn't.

Shadowmoon

Shadowmoon

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

N/A

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by HawkofStorms
/notsigned

No reason to do this. If you wanted it on a character, you should have done it.
Except that the game existed a year b4 the title, and it like everything else is NOT retroactive.
Also remember HoM is character based, so unless this just happens to be on your main character you get surviver it is worthless, which is my case. Same for LDoA, usually it a character specifically designed for this purpose of getting this title. For the HoM it is worthless, unless it happens to be your main.
I just wants some means for my Main to get this title, who was made b4 the title system. Either change surviver system, make it account base, or add a title transfer system similar to skill point tranfering that exist now.
My suggestion is a system that you transfer surviver title from one character to another in the same account, but that character that the title is ripped off is delited. Sorta like killing the surviver to steal credit for the achievement:P

Snow Bunny

Snow Bunny

Alcoholic From Yale

Join Date: Jul 2007

Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadowmoon
Except that the game existed a year b4 the title, and it like everything else is NOT retroactive.
Also remember HoM is character based, so unless this just happens to be on your main character you get surviver it is worthless, which is my case. Same for LDoA, usually it a character specifically designed for this purpose of getting this title. For the HoM it is worthless, unless it happens to be your main.
I just wants some means for my Main to get this title, who was made b4 the title system. Either change surviver system, make it account base, or add a title transfer system similar to skill point tranfering that exist now.
My suggestion is a system that you transfer surviver title from one character to another in the same account, but that character that the title is ripped off is delited. Sorta like killing the surviver to steal credit for the achievement:P
Oh god. Quit the QQ fest.

Who cares about your main? Sure you put a lot into it, but really, that doesn't make validation for a title to be accessible to it.
I have R3 survivor on four characters. It's actually a semi-fun title to get. But it takes work, more work than Koabd as far as I am concerned, seeing as you actually have to consciously be careful about it.

/notsigned


and the OP's arguments regarding other titles are void.

Shadowmoon

Shadowmoon

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

N/A

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More work than KoaBD, i call BS, i made a surviver paragon, at lvl 1 had max armor, thanks to ferry to dock, every skill i needed for my build, thanks to tomes. Made it to Lutz for the FFF at lvl 12 from runners and friends, then Hero FFF to r3. The title is really easy, the easiest to get imo when you focus on it, easer to get than protector even...
I just want my main to have excess, y do i have to delite him complete to have excess to it. Mb they should change protector that is u don't get bonus on first try, then u have to delite ur character then start again. I just want access, not a title given to me, access.

FelixCarter

FelixCarter

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Snow Bunny
Oh god. Quit the QQ fest.
Who cares about your main? Sure you put a lot into it, but really, that doesn't make validation for a title to be accessible to it.
I have R3 survivor on four characters. It's actually a semi-fun title to get. But it takes work, more work than Koabd as far as I am concerned, seeing as you actually have to consciously be careful about it.
/notsigned
and the OP's arguments regarding other titles are void.


EDIT: Edited because I'm laughing my ass off.

HawkofStorms

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

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Keep in mind that with a rank 3 survivor, you have over a million exp on your character. Not only does it show that you got survivor, it also is an indicator that you've played that character a LOT, and are probablly pretty good with that class.

Ie, my ele has 3.5 million exp. My ranger has 120k. Am I a good ele? Hell yeah. Am I a good ranger? Hell no.
If my survivor title is on my ranger, which I earned on my ele (theoretically, I don't actually have the title, my ele was made pre-Factions) I would be seen as a better ranger then I am.

Winterclaw

Winterclaw

Wark!!!

Join Date: May 2005

Florida

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Instead of making survivor an account based title, create a new account based title that you can max by getting one LS of every class?

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

Your character that has died should not be allowed to show a survivor title since he's not a survivor. Even if he gains millions of xp later on without dying, because he died.

Likewise, a character that gains Legendary Survivor but dies later should lose the title, because he's not a survivor either.

See what I'm getting at? Survivor should be based on how much xp you can gain at a stretch without dying, otherwise logically all survivors should completely lose their title if they ever die even after achieving it.

Razorblade Monkey

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

A/

/notsigned

I have 14 PvE characters and 1x PvP character, 3 of which are Legendary Survivors, one has about 300k xp to go at being my 4th. The remaining characters are not survivors and have died quite a few times (especially the PvP). Sooooo, they deserve Legendary Survivor how?

My first 2 Legendary Survivors (Warrior & Assassin) took about a week, thanks to elite capping like a madman. The third (Paragon) took a bit longer because I used HM Wurm farming to get the xp instead of skill caps (not gonna spend 150k on skills I have already capped =oP). My 4th in the works atm is another Assassin (male this time), and have done pure killing & questing and only capping assassin elites, no others, and I am 300k short of target.

Basically, with the generous Factions and Nightfall quest XP rewards, Hard Mode Wurm Farms and easy-as-pie Faction Farming repeatables, not getting Legendary Survivor is now a case of lack of skill/tact more than ever (for those that are trying for it, I understand some don't care about the title). Take offense if you wish, but seriously, I am not an awesome player, so it is more than possible. Yes, I know this game has existed longer than the title, but I also bought a nice pair of jeans for $25 only to see them for $15 two days later. Point being, shit happens, grin and bare it, I rerolled my main (Assassin) after 6 months so she could have the title, and I'm glad I did, I didn't piss and moan on a forum, I JUST DID IT! One month later I got her to KoaBD, so what did I lose? Not much...

PS: No, WAMMO CHAAAAARGE! is not a good method for surviving...

cellardweller

cellardweller

Likes naked dance offs

Join Date: Aug 2005

The Older Gamers [TOG]

All titles should be account based. They were achieved by the player, not by the character.

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

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Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

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I would agree with making it possible after death, but NEVER account wide. It's not the same getting survivor with an assassins than with a monk.

thezed

thezed

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

Iowa, USA

HoTR

Quote:
Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
I would agree with making it possible after death, but NEVER account wide. It's not the same getting survivor with an assassins than with a monk.
Romor from Gails ingame chat last night is that they are working on making Survivor possible after death. No details yet but people were assuming that means the exp "counter" would reset each time you died. So you dont have to get over 1mil exp without EVER dieing, just 1mil exp BETWEEN deaths.

Only a romor at this point though.

EDIT: Reading FTW!! I failed to read the related thread in Riverside before posting this. This romor has been denied by Gail. So you can go about ingnoring my BS.