I only own two campaigns, Factions and GWEN
I noticed the bosses in GWEN use elite skills from all the campaigns... Can i cap and use those skills? Or will they be locked?
Someone save me the 1k it would cost to buy a cap sig and figure it out the hard way...
Elite Capping in GWEN
I_Eat_Haoles
Omniclasm
You can't use it unless you own the campaign.
A11Eur0
You can't cap a skill in EOTN that belongs to a campaign you don't have access to, much less use it. I tried to day in Rragar's Menagerie to get Burning Arrow...no such luck. It let me use signet, but the accept button was grayed out when I clicked on the elite, which itself was grayed out with the Lock symbol.
Nemo the Capitalist
wow that sucks i feel bad for u
Sleeper Service
huh, i would have thought otherwise....Anet should consider changing this imo.
After all even though its an expansion you did PAY for the content in it (all of it)
edit: actually im really shocked at this, someone should start a poll and get the pressure on. Its bloody outrageous.
After all even though its an expansion you did PAY for the content in it (all of it)
edit: actually im really shocked at this, someone should start a poll and get the pressure on. Its bloody outrageous.
Melkorium
It's not really outrageous, GW:EN came with it's 150 skills. You paid for that.
Equally, NF came with all it's skills including these elites. Those skills belong to NF and if you didn't buy that then you have purchased the right to sue that skill.
By combining all the skills from the 3 campaigns plus expansion they've created some great AI skillbars so I'm happy with the way it is.
Equally, NF came with all it's skills including these elites. Those skills belong to NF and if you didn't buy that then you have purchased the right to sue that skill.
By combining all the skills from the 3 campaigns plus expansion they've created some great AI skillbars so I'm happy with the way it is.
Sleeper Service
You can cap Chapter one and two elite skills in NF, they named them "core" skills.
Chapter spanning skills skills should ALL be moved into the "core" skillset.
say you buy a packet of M&Ms and then some dude who works for the M&M marketing department comes up and takes away all the red ones from you. you PAID for it if they didn't want you to eat the red ones why did they put them in there in the first place.
Chapter spanning skills skills should ALL be moved into the "core" skillset.
say you buy a packet of M&Ms and then some dude who works for the M&M marketing department comes up and takes away all the red ones from you. you PAID for it if they didn't want you to eat the red ones why did they put them in there in the first place.
A11Eur0
Sleeper, this is where I stand. Why put NF elites into a game and not allow us to cap them?
Why: because it would have taken more effort for them to come up with new elites for GW:EN, that's why. And to give those people without nightfall another stab in the side for not buying all three campaigns.
Why: because it would have taken more effort for them to come up with new elites for GW:EN, that's why. And to give those people without nightfall another stab in the side for not buying all three campaigns.
Bankai
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleeper Service
You can cap Chapter one and two elite skills in NF, they named them "core" skills.
Chapter spanning skills skills should ALL be moved into the "core" skillset.
say you buy a packet of M&Ms and then some dude who works for the M&M marketing department comes up and takes away all the red ones from you. you PAID for it if they didn't want you to eat the red ones why did they put them in there in the first place. Sorry to say, but that's RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing bullshit. With Prophecies and Factions, you've got the right to Core skills, Prophecies skills and Factions skills. It doesn't matter whether enemies or bosses use other skills, you didn't pay for them, so you shouldn't get them.
Chapter spanning skills skills should ALL be moved into the "core" skillset.
say you buy a packet of M&Ms and then some dude who works for the M&M marketing department comes up and takes away all the red ones from you. you PAID for it if they didn't want you to eat the red ones why did they put them in there in the first place. Sorry to say, but that's RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing bullshit. With Prophecies and Factions, you've got the right to Core skills, Prophecies skills and Factions skills. It doesn't matter whether enemies or bosses use other skills, you didn't pay for them, so you shouldn't get them.
A11Eur0
Then don't put them into the game. Don't make us go up against a boss with that elite that we want but can't have.
Why couldn't they have removed some of those useless nonelite 150 skills and replaced them with new elites? That would make more sense in a gameplay pov, but I guess not in a business sense. My statement stands: they want us to go pay them another $50 just for these new skills, even if we don't really feel the need to play that campaign.
Why couldn't they have removed some of those useless nonelite 150 skills and replaced them with new elites? That would make more sense in a gameplay pov, but I guess not in a business sense. My statement stands: they want us to go pay them another $50 just for these new skills, even if we don't really feel the need to play that campaign.
Riot Narita
Yeah! And let us cap their monster-only skills too! I want Shiro's stances, but I can't have them! Don't make me go up against Shiro when he has skills that I can't have! They're in the game so why can't I have them?!
-_-
-_-
Sleeper Service
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bankai
Sorry to say, but that's RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing bullshit. With Prophecies and Factions, you've got the right to Core skills, Prophecies skills and Factions skills. It doesn't matter whether enemies or bosses use other skills, you didn't pay for them, so you shouldn't get them.
1. are you so unable to express yourself without being offensive.
2. i already own all 3 chapters (LSH so uh..its not about me k?)
3. you go buy a burger from some fast food chain, and when they give it to you they refuse to give you a bun because its only the second time you go there, yet you still pay the same price as the person standing beside you even though they get the full burger.
2. i already own all 3 chapters (LSH so uh..its not about me k?)
3. you go buy a burger from some fast food chain, and when they give it to you they refuse to give you a bun because its only the second time you go there, yet you still pay the same price as the person standing beside you even though they get the full burger.
Sleeper Service
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hissy
Yeah! And let us cap their monster-only skills too! I want Shiro's stances, but I can't have them! Don't make me go up against Shiro when he has skills that I can't have! They're in the game so why can't I have them?!
-_-
trying to be clever? funny? Either you are trolling or you need to think a little before you type and spout inane idiocy like that.
either way...minus underscore minus straight back at you.
-_-
trying to be clever? funny? Either you are trolling or you need to think a little before you type and spout inane idiocy like that.
either way...minus underscore minus straight back at you.
Riot Narita
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleeper Service
3. you go buy a burger from some fast food chain, and when they give it to you they refuse to give you a bun because its only the second time you go there, yet you still pay the same price as the person standing beside you even though they get the full burger.
No... you bought a cheeseburger, then you saw people eating big macs. Now you want a big mac for the same price as your cheesburger - just because they're made in the same fast food chain. Or at least, that's what A11Eur0 wants.
Sleeper Service
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hissy
No... you bought a cheeseburger, then you saw people eating big macs. Now you want a big mac for the same price as your cheesburger - just because they're made in the same fast food chain. Or at least, that's what A11Eur0 wants.
you go into the restaurant, you order burger X that costs 2£ and get no bun.
some other dude goes and orders that very same burger X that costs 2£ and gets a bun.
can you not see that is just wrong ?
For as much as me and A11Eur0 have our disagreements what you are trying to make him say there is simply not correct.
some other dude goes and orders that very same burger X that costs 2£ and gets a bun.
can you not see that is just wrong ?
For as much as me and A11Eur0 have our disagreements what you are trying to make him say there is simply not correct.
Argon Draeth
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleeper Service
You can cap Chapter one and two elite skills in NF, they named them "core" skills.
very true. BUT...Not all the skills from prophecies/factions were made core skills with the release of nightfall. You wont find many 55hp monks that dont own Prophecies. Prophecies only elite Shield of Judgement for example? If you want that elite skill, you have to buy prophecies. Each campaign has its campaign specific skills.
Buying Gwen entitles you to all the NEW content. There are already loopholes (however limited) in the system with heroes (imagine you own prophecies and GWEN, and are walking round with xandra, hayda and anton in your party?)
Just because you've bought an expansion which spans all 3 campaigns shouldnt entitle you to everything available to those campaigns. What next? there are dervish mobs in EOTN, so you should be able to change your secondary prof to dervish without owning NF? and then of course you'll want access to derish skills without owning NF...and what was the point in me buying NF again?
see my point?
Buying Gwen entitles you to all the NEW content. There are already loopholes (however limited) in the system with heroes (imagine you own prophecies and GWEN, and are walking round with xandra, hayda and anton in your party?)
Just because you've bought an expansion which spans all 3 campaigns shouldnt entitle you to everything available to those campaigns. What next? there are dervish mobs in EOTN, so you should be able to change your secondary prof to dervish without owning NF? and then of course you'll want access to derish skills without owning NF...and what was the point in me buying NF again?
see my point?
Riot Narita
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleeper Service
you go into the restaurant, you order burger X that costs 2£ and get no bun.
some other dude goes and orders that very same burger X that costs 2£ and gets a bun.
can you not see that thats just wrong ? If your analogy refelected what was happening in GW, you'd have a point. But it doesn't, and you don't.
some other dude goes and orders that very same burger X that costs 2£ and gets a bun.
can you not see that thats just wrong ? If your analogy refelected what was happening in GW, you'd have a point. But it doesn't, and you don't.
Argon Draeth
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleeper Service
you go into the restaurant, you order burger X that costs 2£ and get no bun.
some other dude goes and orders that very same burger X that costs 2£ and gets a bun.
can you not see that is just wrong ? lets apply this to GW. i have all 3 campaigns and gwen...i get my burger with a bun (or in actual terms, access to all skills from all campaigns, campaign specific proffesions etc...basically i get everything i paid for)...wahey!
original poster has factions and gwen...he gets the burger no bun. (access to the content hes paid for...)
how is that wrong?
some other dude goes and orders that very same burger X that costs 2£ and gets a bun.
can you not see that is just wrong ? lets apply this to GW. i have all 3 campaigns and gwen...i get my burger with a bun (or in actual terms, access to all skills from all campaigns, campaign specific proffesions etc...basically i get everything i paid for)...wahey!
original poster has factions and gwen...he gets the burger no bun. (access to the content hes paid for...)
how is that wrong?
Sleeper Service
Quote:
Originally Posted by Argon Draeth
Buying Gwen entitles you to all the NEW content. There are already loopholes (however limited) in the system with heroes (imagine you own prophecies and GWEN, and are walking round with xandra, hayda and anton in your party?)
Just because you've bought an expansion which spans all 3 campaigns shouldnt entitle you to everything available to those campaigns. What next? there are dervish mobs in EOTN, so you should be able to change your secondary prof to dervish without owning NF? and then of course you'll want access to derish skills without owning NF...and what was the point in me buying NF again?
see my point?
Of course im NOT saying "access to all chapter skills" that would be just stupid just the skills that come with the game that these people BOUGHT.
Following your logic a person who only owns Chapter One (no Rt) and who buys GWEN should result in one of these two things:
1. Has no access to Xandra (no quest triggered, cant get the hero at all)
or
2. Has Access to Xandra but she has a EMPTY skillbar.
As it stands people can use the heroes even if they dont exist in whatever chapter they own, they can use the skills that these heroes have on their other heroes and finally i think but im not sure that they can use these few skills in a secondary profession in PVP. (if someone can check that it would be cool)
They cannot however use these same skills on their character. I can accept that since they cannot change their secondary profession to whatever is required AND they cannot create a primary for the same reason.
no problem there.
the issue is when an El comes up against a El Boss in GWEN who uses SF for example and the player cannot cap (or can cap but cant use) that elite because they dont own the corresponding chapter....but that player PAID for GWEN! (and EVERYTHING that comes in it)
It makes no sense lore wise,it makes NO sense economically wise although it may give the impression of being good marketing it is just WRONG.
Hissy go troll somewhere else, your input is irrelevant.
Dingo Dave
I think some may have misunderstood the burger/bun explanation.
2 years ago I bought a burger and it was whole, I then bought another, another and finally one extra special new burger, (for a total of 4 burgers)
Someone else has just found that they like burgers as well, so they buy 1 intial burger and then pay for the extra special new burger.
Everything seems equal to start with, but eventually - the other person finds that they are not allowed to eat all of there extra special burger - the staff come and clear it away before they have had a chance to eat it all. There reason, they have not bought the other 2 burgers, and so are not allowed to eat there gherkins!!!
2 years ago I bought a burger and it was whole, I then bought another, another and finally one extra special new burger, (for a total of 4 burgers)
Someone else has just found that they like burgers as well, so they buy 1 intial burger and then pay for the extra special new burger.
Everything seems equal to start with, but eventually - the other person finds that they are not allowed to eat all of there extra special burger - the staff come and clear it away before they have had a chance to eat it all. There reason, they have not bought the other 2 burgers, and so are not allowed to eat there gherkins!!!
Riot Narita
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleeper Service
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Sleeper Service
Hissy go troll somewhere else, your input is irrelevant
Unable to counter? So your last resort is to call me a troll, and tell me to go away?
Read Argon Draeth's posts. He is putting things more nicely than me.
Sleeper Service
there are 63 Elite skills available in GWEN that is FAR less even Chapter 1 (ninety something if i recall) a person who does not own all chapters will not be able to use the skills that they dont have the professions for (using the new professions was one of the major or THE major incentive for buying those chapters in the first place) so it will be even less.
Its a minuscule amount of material compared to what they would get if they bought the corresponding chapter anyways. before someone brings it up, yes i know you can use sigs to cap non elite skills as well. Even so its naught but a drop in the ocean. If anything it would give these people an actual incentive to go buy the other chapters once they try out the skills.
arcanemacabre
Wait, so what's the problem? The elite skills for each campaign are content for their respective campaigns. The only exception is the core skills, which are content for owning any campaign. Now, that said, GW:EN is an expansion, not a campaign. It apparently follows different rules, and thus, has no elites of its own. I don't see how anyone is cheated or jipped or anything like that just for not being able to steal content from other campaigns they don't own, just because the monsters can.
I mean really, is that the reasoning, here? The monsters can use 'em, so why can't I? Seriously? sykoone
You're forgetting one thing. Nightfall set a precedent for putting in content that people without Factions couldn't access...capping of sin and rit skills. This is just an extension of that. The campaign specific skills should not be capable by people who don't own the originating campaign. If you allow that, what incentive would they have to go get it if they haven't already? Furthermore, if you remove the campaign specific skills from GWEN, it'll gimp the monster skillbars severely, so removing them is absolutely out of the question. So the only option left is to have them in game, but locked for those who don't own the campaign.
Besides, if they do allow the capping of elites for non-campaign owners, then someone's going to gripe how they can't cap the non-elites. Then you'll have campaign owners mad that the non-campaign owners got these skills for free.
Sleeper Service
Quote:
Originally Posted by sykoone
You're forgetting one thing. Nightfall set a precedent for putting in content that people without Factions couldn't access...capping of sin and rit skills. This is just an extension of that. The campaign specific skills should not be capable by people who don't own the originating campaign. If you allow that, what incentive would they have to go get it if they haven't already? Furthermore, if you remove the campaign specific skills from GWEN, it'll gimp the monster skillbars severely, so removing them is absolutely out of the question. So the only option left is to have them in game, but locked for those who don't own the campaign.
Besides, if they do allow the capping of elites for non-campaign owners, then someone's going to gripe how they can't cap the non-elites. Then you'll have campaign owners mad that the non-campaign owners got these skills for free. you can only cap Rt or Sin or any class skill if you have the profession in the first place. there is a difference between doing that and not letting any of the CORE professions or any profession you might own cap a skill that is THERE, VISIBLE and being used in game. Im getting the impression i'm talking to a bunch of people who own all the chapters and simply cant accept the fact that other people gain access to a FEW skills from a campaign they don't own. GWEN IS NOT FREE http://www.plaync.com/us/games/gwen/. sheesh! that and the disagreeable feeling that you either are skimming through not paying attention to what is being said or not caring. Either way i've explained as clearly as i could, since most of you seem hellbent on paying for stuff that should be rightfully already yours i'll leave it at that. Where the hell are you guys when people are proposing viable pay for content ideas ? Belicosos Finos
This is no different to some of the shiroken bosses that appear in nightfall that have factions skills. If you don't have factions you can't use them.
Star Burst and Auspicious Parry.
Saphatorael
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleeper Service
you go into the restaurant, you order burger X that costs 2£ and get no bun.
some other dude goes and orders that very same burger X that costs 2£ and gets a bun. can you not see that is just wrong ? For as much as me and A11Eur0 have our disagreements what you are trying to make him say there is simply not correct. K, allow me to kill the burger analogy. Guild Wars is the amalgame of the burger, consistent out of 4 parts. 1. The buns (Prophecies) 2. The meat (Factions) 3. The veggies (Nightfall) 4. The sauce (Eye of the North) You mentioned paying full price, though actually, you have only paid for the meat and sauce. And that is what you will get, even if the sauce contains little bits of the parts (e.g. bread crumbs, gravy from the meat, a tomato seed) So, if you want a complete burger, you pay for all the parts. Long story short, you don't have the entire burger, nor have you paid for it (You only paid half, and you're only getting half). People with all 4 parts can fully enjoy their meal, you can't. Even if you have the little bits of the other parts in your own burger, you'll hardly taste them. That's just the way GW's marketing strategy works, and you don't hear me complaining, for I have paid for all the parts, and they're letting me enjoy my burger. EDIT: clarified the text a bit, had a few bad word choices; also, turning the tables ftw.
Kryth
I think A.Net should allow the skillscaps, but not allow us to use them. Why? Cuz heroes can use locked skills as well. I had a 10day/14hour trial for nightfall and I unlocked all the necro skills when I was rushing thru, now Livia can summon shambling horrors. I still don't own Nightfall. Lucky me I guess.
Kakumei
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleeper Service
the issue is when an El comes up against a El Boss in GWEN who uses SF for example and the player cannot cap (or can cap but cant use) that elite because they dont own the corresponding chapter....but that player PAID for GWEN! (and EVERYTHING that comes in it.
This is working under the assumption that these elites came with Eye of the North. These elites did not come with Eye of the North, they are merely used in it--so your conclusion is false.
Bankai
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saphatorael
Bla bla bla
Thank god someone fixed the horrible burger analogy.
I can make a point without cussing, but you're (the op/guys defending him) so retarded that I thought it was the only way I could get into your mind. Coraline Jones
I don't understand this burger analogy...
All I can say is, this is not some kind of new event. For a very long time, Guild Wars will not let you use any skill from a campaign that you do not own. This is extremely apparent if you use a skill like Inspired Hex and you remove a hex off of a player that has a hex for a campaign you don't own: It will replace Inspired Hex with an icon with a huge lock symbol on it. I.e., you get to have a totally unusable skill for 20 seconds. In the above example, it's not like there are fleets of mesmers running around waiting for a monster or player to hex them just so they can "sploit" a skill for less than a half a minute. But ANet made it extremely clear that this was working as designed, despite that many people got very upset about it. As a result, Eye of the North denying players to capture Elites isn't much of a surprise. You can argue endlessly over how fair it is or not, but it will not change no matter how many people petition. Lopezus
Quote:
Following your logic a person who only owns Chapter One (no Rt) and who buys GWEN should result in one of these two things: | 1. Has no access to Xandra (no quest triggered, cant get the hero at all) or 2. Has Access to Xandra but she has a EMPTY skillbar. in fact if you don't unlock GWEN Rt skills either from Temple of Balthazar or from hero skill trainer in gwen she as well can have empty skillbar b/c all her skills (factions based ) are locked.
I_Eat_Haoles
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dingo Dave
I think some may have misunderstood the burger/bun explanation.
2 years ago I bought a burger and it was whole, I then bought another, another and finally one extra special new burger, (for a total of 4 burgers) Someone else has just found that they like burgers as well, so they buy 1 intial burger and then pay for the extra special new burger. Everything seems equal to start with, but eventually - the other person finds that they are not allowed to eat all of there extra special burger - the staff come and clear it away before they have had a chance to eat it all. There reason, they have not bought the other 2 burgers, and so are not allowed to eat there gherkins!!! Thats exactly how I feel! The staff needs let the customer eat the whole burger. I also recall the staff using the same reskinned burgers too...
Yichi
Ok end of this thread discussion.
You're allowed to cap certain skills aka the core skills in every campaign. Prophecies, Factions, and Nightfall all have the same core skills available to all characters. Some elites or skills such as Burning arrow, or Light of Deliverance are campaign only skills that are linked with the Nightfall campaign. If you do not own the Nightfall campaign, then even if you come across the skill, your character will not have access to it, so the cap signet will be grey'd out with the lock button not allowing you to acquire this skill. While you may have paid for Guild Wars: Eye of the North, these skills were added in from a different campaign, so therefore not specifically linked to EOTN. If these skills were linked to only EOTN, then you would be allowed to cap and use them freely. pingu666
i thought they would just use the core elite skills on the gwen bosses, but they didnt, so we have this, sigh
thor thunder
Ok sleeper
your funny but seriously if you only purchased Factions and proph and eye then you have no entitlement to NF skills.. yes it seems unfair to you but to ppl like me who HAVE invested in the hole series its NOT a bad thing, i would get very pissed if the AI's didnt use them most NF skills are overpowered so if the AI didnt use them they would be to easy to kill = boring dont complain about a product you havent purchased you say that its like "buying a burgeer but geting no bun but the guy next to you paid same price and gets his bun" that makes NO sence YOU DIDNT buy NF so you DONT get the skills, others DID buy it so they DO get the skills.. you dont think thru your comments very much.. Yes you did pay for Eye GREAT so now you get GW:EN SKILLS not NF skills... when i buy tokyo drift do i expect to get a car with it HELL NO I didnt pay for the car i payed for the MOVIE... its very simple if they chose to use NF skills in GWen great its THERE choice but if u want to complain about it so you dont have to pay another 30$ for a expansion! Get the hell out of this guys thread. Sry but No you cant cap skills from a champagin you dont have. you dont like its simple quit or buy the full game.
HawkofStorms
There is already a precident for this.
Both double dragon AND shroud of silence could be capped in NF. Since they were both Factions only skills however, they were locked if you don't own the game. |
