The use of Macros/auto command settings, is there a limit to it?

Alexandra-Sweet

Alexandra-Sweet

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Join Date: Dec 2006

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Today I went to the PlayNC Support site to see if they updated anything. In the help section I came across the topic: Healthy Gaming.

PlayNC claims that you should avoid repetitive actions.

PlayNC:
Take advantage of shortcut keys, macros and auto command settings - these vary by game, but can save you relentlessly hitting a combination of keys (and can also give you the edge when it comes to combat).


What's considered Healthy, and what's considered botting?

Chicken Ftw

Chicken Ftw

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexandra-Sweet
Today I went to the PlayNC Support site to see if they updated anything. In the help section I came across the topic: Healthy Gaming.

PlayNC claims that you should avoid repetitive actions.
Actions like... pretty much all of PvE? o.o

Alexandra-Sweet

Alexandra-Sweet

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Join Date: Dec 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chicken Ftw
Actions like... pretty much all of PvE? o.o
I think Guild Wars is 100% against that guideline of PlayNC, just look at how titles are obtained.

Stormlord Alex

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chicken Ftw
Actions like... pretty much all of PvE? o.o
This post is full of win.
Chicken, my hat goes off to you, sir!

Firebaall

Firebaall

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Join Date: Sep 2006

I'm sure that macros, and keybinds are all ok to use.

However, once they get into the level of complexity or automation that doesn't require you to be in front of the computer to operate, then it's a "bot".

If you can leave the computer while having the macro or keybind operate the game in your absence, you're botting.

If you are required to be in front of the computer in order for a macro, or keybind to function, you are not.

You can't see me

You can't see me

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

USA

P/W

0.o I thought GW disallowed Third Party Programs period.

Oh well. Still, I wouldn't use them unless you personally created them for risk of downloading harmful material.

Crowell The Fallen

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Join Date: Jun 2006

Australia

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexandra-Sweet
PlayNC:
Take advantage of shortcut keys, macros and auto command settings - these vary by game, but can save you relentlessly hitting a combination of keys (and can also give you the edge when it comes to combat).
Wow. Just wow. Macros? Shit, isnt that pretty much the same as botting? lol.
I could make a macro that farmed for me, through a combination of well timed key combinations... however, that would be considered a bot.

I think they should define a few things a little better, because if i had tunnel vision i would go off right now, make a nice cute little 'macro', hit my super key combination to active the macro, and away i go!

Slap in the face when they ban for using a 'bot'. >.>

BlackSephir

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Join Date: Nov 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chicken Ftw
Actions like... pretty much all of PvE? o.o
Here goes my R5 with Norn... Good thing I managed to get R5 in Ebon Vanguard earlier.

Nemo the Capitalist

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O_O chicken ftw

DarkFlame

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexandra-Sweet
Take advantage of shortcut keys, macros and auto command settings - these vary by game,
Vary by game is the key term. NCSoft(and by extension PlayNC) owns a operates a number of games, of which GW is just one. So what applies to those other games, would end up getting you banned on GW.

=DNC=Trucker

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Join Date: Apr 2006

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a macro that types "/stuck" would probably be OK I need this but am way too afraid to use any 3rd party program to macro this

Alexandra-Sweet

Alexandra-Sweet

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Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkFlame
Vary by game is the key term. NCSoft(and by extension PlayNC) owns a operates a number of games, of which GW is just one. So what applies to those other games, would end up getting you banned on GW.
But what applies to Guild Wars? Thats where this thread is for, to discuss what's acceptable and not.

immortius

immortius

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rules of Conduct
22. You may not use any third-party program (such as a "bot") in order to automate gameplay functions, including playing, chatting, interacting, or gathering gold or items within Guild Wars. You may not assist, relay, or store gold or items for other players who are using these processes.
Quote:
Originally Posted by EULA
You agree not to use any hardware or software, including but not limited to third party tools, or any other method of support which may in any way influence or advantage your use of the Service which is not authorized by NC Interactive, including but not limited to the use of 'bots' and/or any other method by which the Service may be played automatically without human input.
That's the official rules.

rohara

rohara

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Join Date: Nov 2006

Rt/

seems to me like the legalese is only there to fall back on when banning farmbots or people who are just "up to no good".

seeing as they sell gw zboards...which come preprogrammed with macros for gw.

i myself have a logitech g15 gaming keyboard, which can't be installed without installing the macro editor/enabler with it. its part of the package.

looks like macros are ok to use, as long as you don't use them to replace yourself at the computer.

Firebaall

Firebaall

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Join Date: Sep 2006

Looks like folks are here are having problems understanding the spirit of the Rules of Conduct or EULA.

If you are using a Macro, or keybind ask yourself one thing:

"Do I need to be in front of the computer when I use the macro/keybind for it to do what I want?"

If the answer is "yes", you're fine. If the answer is "no", then you're botting. It's pretty darn clear.

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

I use macros for quick emotes and for a quick getaway when using a survivor character. I doubt it inconveniences anyone.

Firebaall

Firebaall

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Join Date: Sep 2006

Oh, you are so banned!

big papi

big papi

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macros ftw


i personally don't see the harm in them

Roshi_ikkyu

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Join Date: Apr 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by rohara
seems to me like the legalese is only there to fall back on when banning farmbots or people who are just "up to no good".

seeing as they sell gw zboards...which come preprogrammed with macros for gw.

i myself have a logitech g15 gaming keyboard, which can't be installed without installing the macro editor/enabler with it. its part of the package.

looks like macros are ok to use, as long as you don't use them to replace yourself at the computer.
Correct, I also remember a post at ign or someother fanforums about gaile mentioning if you at your key board to activate the G15 keys, its considered ok. Plus to programme a G15 to do bot activties take amzaing skills, boredom, and every instance to be exactly the same.

but it is awesome for having a key assigned to do the emotes