Yesterday i was omw to do Selpuchre of Dragimmar with a friend and while w8ing in Sif i noticed a message "GLF Derv", that was the first time ever that i saw any1 asking for a derv. I asked what do u need derv for, he said to kill the boss, then i asked why derv, but didnt get an answer. Later on after we killed the boss i still didnt understand why did he want a derv.
Since in my experience all i ever see is LF OF, MM, SS, SV, SF, SH, monk, im asking u "Were are dervishes welcomed/wanted?"
thx in advance.
"LF derv!" ?
Narfolik
~ Dan ~
O_O
*stops to catch breath*
.. say that again.
*stops to catch breath*
.. say that again.
Pick Me
I've seen the following:
GLFM
GLF Nuker
GLF Tank
GLF SS
GLF MM
GLF Monk
GLF Healer
GLF Interupt Ranger
GLF Mesmer
GLF Assassin
GLF Dervish
GLF Monk or Rit
GLF SV
GLF SF
I think the only profession I have not seen is Paragon.
Some people like seeing Avatar Dervishes or Dervishes with Scythe Elite.
GLFM
GLF Nuker
GLF Tank
GLF SS
GLF MM
GLF Monk
GLF Healer
GLF Interupt Ranger
GLF Mesmer
GLF Assassin
GLF Dervish
GLF Monk or Rit
GLF SV
GLF SF
I think the only profession I have not seen is Paragon.
Some people like seeing Avatar Dervishes or Dervishes with Scythe Elite.
Abraxas Fafnir
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Originally Posted by Narfolik
"Were are dervishes welcomed/wanted?"
thx in advance. The main role of the Dervish is to fill holes in the front line. If the team is lacking a tank, the Dervish can play a tank with their brilliant enchantments. If the team is lacking spike or DPS, the Dervish can fill that role with the high damage scythe and brilliant IAS. If the team is lacking AoE damage the Dervish can fill that role too.
However, Dervishs require a lot of micro managing ie. enchantment juggling and energy management, which is why you get a lot of players who are new to the class not really using a Dervish to its full capabilities. Which is why you get teams not really looking for Dervishs because they think that another proffesion can do the job better, when IMO, I think Dervishs can beat a warrior or sin in the frontline jobs anyday, IF PLAYED CORRECTLY (O.K. a bit of an exaggeration because a Dervish can't kill a target as quickly as a sin).
I wouldn't be able to tell you why that person was looking for a Dervish specifcally for that boss but it might be because Dervishs can deal damage through AoE spells up close so being blind wouldn't have an effect on the damage dealt.
thx in advance. The main role of the Dervish is to fill holes in the front line. If the team is lacking a tank, the Dervish can play a tank with their brilliant enchantments. If the team is lacking spike or DPS, the Dervish can fill that role with the high damage scythe and brilliant IAS. If the team is lacking AoE damage the Dervish can fill that role too.
However, Dervishs require a lot of micro managing ie. enchantment juggling and energy management, which is why you get a lot of players who are new to the class not really using a Dervish to its full capabilities. Which is why you get teams not really looking for Dervishs because they think that another proffesion can do the job better, when IMO, I think Dervishs can beat a warrior or sin in the frontline jobs anyday, IF PLAYED CORRECTLY (O.K. a bit of an exaggeration because a Dervish can't kill a target as quickly as a sin).
I wouldn't be able to tell you why that person was looking for a Dervish specifcally for that boss but it might be because Dervishs can deal damage through AoE spells up close so being blind wouldn't have an effect on the damage dealt.
Jaide
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Originally Posted by Pick Me
I think the only profession I have not seen is Paragon.
I think that's a real shame, because I will scarcely travel without one. Granted, my friend has one and we usually duo, so it's not really an issue, but... I guess the problem is that so few people seem to know how to play a Paragon correctly, so people assume Paragons are useless. >.< My friend plays a great one, however, and I never leave home without one. :P
/off topicness >.>;
/off topicness >.>;
Sir Pandra Pierva
Dervish when blinded will still miss.
The reason you never see paragon is because no one can play paragons right. Except in a few extreame cases. Though mostly I don't like that class.
The reason you never see paragon is because no one can play paragons right. Except in a few extreame cases. Though mostly I don't like that class.
Abraxas Fafnir
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Originally Posted by Sir Pandra Pierva
Dervish when blinded will still miss.
Not their AoE enchantments, like dust cloak and staggering force. Maybe the guy wanted a mystic sandstorm build.
Also on Paragons, I hardly travel anywhere without my general morgahn and the shouts he produces, but whenever I try to play a Paragon it never works out.
Also on Paragons, I hardly travel anywhere without my general morgahn and the shouts he produces, but whenever I try to play a Paragon it never works out.
BlackSephir
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Originally Posted by Pick Me
I've seen the following:
GLF Mesmer
GLF Assassin
Screen or it didn't happen ;p
GLF Mesmer
GLF Assassin
Screen or it didn't happen ;p
bungusmaximus
Hmm one of the very good thing about GW:EN is that you have no trouble getting whatever kind of class through. It's no DOA where only one build works. I've played it succesfully with muh different characters.
BlackSephir
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Originally Posted by bungusmaximus
Hmm one of the very good thing about GW:EN is that you have no trouble getting whatever kind of class through. It's no DOA where only one build works. I've played it succesfully with muh different characters.
I did 1 quest with PUGs and so it happens there was an E "we don't need A, take someone else"
It doesn't matter if it's DoA or not, stupidity is everywhere
It doesn't matter if it's DoA or not, stupidity is everywhere
bungusmaximus
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Originally Posted by BlackSephir
I did 1 quest with PUGs and so it happens there was an E "we don't need A, take someone else"
It doesn't matter if it's DoA or not, stupidity is everywhere True, but DOA is truly awfully rigid, and the people in the pug you were in just didn't know what they were talking about. Assassin hate in Pve is FTL anyways, it made kinda sense when factions just got released (afflicted soul explosions), but since feigned neutrality there isn't much that can go wrong anymore with sins in PvE.
Which reminds me of PUGing gates of madnesss yesterday (the one with Shiro in it), some stupid tool wanted to kick the SS necro because 'they needed a nuker' LMAO.
It doesn't matter if it's DoA or not, stupidity is everywhere True, but DOA is truly awfully rigid, and the people in the pug you were in just didn't know what they were talking about. Assassin hate in Pve is FTL anyways, it made kinda sense when factions just got released (afflicted soul explosions), but since feigned neutrality there isn't much that can go wrong anymore with sins in PvE.
Which reminds me of PUGing gates of madnesss yesterday (the one with Shiro in it), some stupid tool wanted to kick the SS necro because 'they needed a nuker' LMAO.
Pick Me
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Originally Posted by BlackSephir
Screen or it didn't happen ;p
Sadly, I never thought about getting screen shots of these 2 instances.
I was in THK mission when our group leader did an all chat "GLF Mesmer". I laughed in our team chat and said, "I've never seen GLF Mesmer before". The rest of the team laughed too. There were a few warriors and mesmers in the area (I was a monk in the group - 1 of 2 and we had enough warriors).
As for the Assassin, we were in either Abaddon's Mouth or Ring of Fire mission when the team leader asked for an assassin. Strong dp in those areas, as long as you had some good protectors/healers. I think I was a Mesmer back then.
There were two parties on Fire Island that I've been on what wanted Assassins. One time, I was the assassin, they never specifically asked for an assassin then, just, GLFM. When I joined, people were elated that I joined. I think I only died once in Hells Precipice.
So it does happen, just very rarely.
I was in THK mission when our group leader did an all chat "GLF Mesmer". I laughed in our team chat and said, "I've never seen GLF Mesmer before". The rest of the team laughed too. There were a few warriors and mesmers in the area (I was a monk in the group - 1 of 2 and we had enough warriors).
As for the Assassin, we were in either Abaddon's Mouth or Ring of Fire mission when the team leader asked for an assassin. Strong dp in those areas, as long as you had some good protectors/healers. I think I was a Mesmer back then.
There were two parties on Fire Island that I've been on what wanted Assassins. One time, I was the assassin, they never specifically asked for an assassin then, just, GLFM. When I joined, people were elated that I joined. I think I only died once in Hells Precipice.
So it does happen, just very rarely.
Dr Strangelove
*Shrug* My hero hench death squad almost always includes a derv, so I'm more than happy to take one in a PuG. Amazingly enough, most warriors are really bad frontliners, taking a bunch of worthless tanking crap and weak attack skills like power attack.
Dervs can almost always be counted on to at least do some damage up front. Melandru dervs are downright godly in condition spam areas or in areas with lots of burning. However, they're useless if they're one of those stupid Balthazar dervs with a bunch of earth prayers.
Dervs can almost always be counted on to at least do some damage up front. Melandru dervs are downright godly in condition spam areas or in areas with lots of burning. However, they're useless if they're one of those stupid Balthazar dervs with a bunch of earth prayers.
Raccoon
I always make sure there is a Mesmer in my team (If i'm not playing mine).
Especially when I know that we are going to kill a boss. When it comes down to it, no prof is better at 1v1 extremely tough boss monsters then a Mesmer. During the gate of pain mission, when the rest of my team was dead on the floor, I took down Shiro single handedly with my Mes (shiro been on 70% health at the time).
Especially when I know that we are going to kill a boss. When it comes down to it, no prof is better at 1v1 extremely tough boss monsters then a Mesmer. During the gate of pain mission, when the rest of my team was dead on the floor, I took down Shiro single handedly with my Mes (shiro been on 70% health at the time).
Retribution X
I always have an assassin when I play mine.
I never use a dervish. More frontliners = bad IMO. full caster team FTW!
I never use a dervish. More frontliners = bad IMO. full caster team FTW!
Coloneh
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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove
weak attack skills like power attack.
get with the times. Power attack kicks ass
visitor
Funny thing that they asked one for that dungeon since i have tried it with a dervish(me) and a hero/hench team. Well they used corrupt enchantment. Had enough?
Chocobo1
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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove
However, they're useless if they're one of those stupid Balthazar dervs with a bunch of earth prayers.
Balthazar form isn't that bad, why the hate? 
Stormlord Alex
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Originally Posted by Chocobo1
Balthazar form isn't that bad, why the hate?
Because it's bad.
It honestly does... very little, apart from show the rest of your team you're an idiot.
Because it's bad.It honestly does... very little, apart from show the rest of your team you're an idiot.
Narfolik
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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex
Because it's bad.
It honestly does... very little, apart from show the rest of your team you're an idiot. maybe, but when u want to mock a wammo doing his dance....
avatar_of_grenth_just_for_the_dance_ftw!
It honestly does... very little, apart from show the rest of your team you're an idiot. maybe, but when u want to mock a wammo doing his dance....
avatar_of_grenth_just_for_the_dance_ftw!
Tyla
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Originally Posted by Pick Me
I've seen the following:
GLFM
GLF Nuker
GLF Tank
GLF SS
GLF MM
GLF Monk
GLF Healer
GLF Interupt Ranger
GLF Mesmer
GLF Assassin
GLF Dervish
GLF Monk or Rit
GLF SV
GLF SF
I think the only profession I have not seen is Paragon.
Some people like seeing Avatar Dervishes or Dervishes with Scythe Elite. never seen GLF interrupt ranger,mes,sin,derv or rit then again all people want is a tank,nec,monk and ele....
but playing ranger i still get into parties....
i say:non-core profession(and mes) hate in pve FTL!
GLFM
GLF Nuker
GLF Tank
GLF SS
GLF MM
GLF Monk
GLF Healer
GLF Interupt Ranger
GLF Mesmer
GLF Assassin
GLF Dervish
GLF Monk or Rit
GLF SV
GLF SF
I think the only profession I have not seen is Paragon.
Some people like seeing Avatar Dervishes or Dervishes with Scythe Elite. never seen GLF interrupt ranger,mes,sin,derv or rit then again all people want is a tank,nec,monk and ele....
but playing ranger i still get into parties....
i say:non-core profession(and mes) hate in pve FTL!
Str0b0
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Originally Posted by tyla salanari
never seen GLF interrupt ranger,mes,sin,derv or rit then again all people want is a tank,nec,monk and ele....
but playing ranger i still get into parties....
i say:non-core profession(and mes) hate in pve FTL! Did you play factions? Everyone wanted interrupt rangers for Unwaking waters. Interrupt rangers are in high demand wherever there is an enemy with a particularly nasty skill that needs to just not happen. I play a BHA based interrupt now in place of my old flaming barrage build. D/W are great against Shiro in NF. Mesmers just don't get enough love. Rits get picked up rather often now. Sins rarely get groups but that's because 80% of the people playing them try to tank and end up just being a burden on the party.
but playing ranger i still get into parties....
i say:non-core profession(and mes) hate in pve FTL! Did you play factions? Everyone wanted interrupt rangers for Unwaking waters. Interrupt rangers are in high demand wherever there is an enemy with a particularly nasty skill that needs to just not happen. I play a BHA based interrupt now in place of my old flaming barrage build. D/W are great against Shiro in NF. Mesmers just don't get enough love. Rits get picked up rather often now. Sins rarely get groups but that's because 80% of the people playing them try to tank and end up just being a burden on the party.
Tyla
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Originally Posted by Str0b0
Did you play factions? Everyone wanted interrupt rangers for Unwaking waters. Interrupt rangers are in high demand wherever there is an enemy with a particularly nasty skill that needs to just not happen. I play a BHA based interrupt now in place of my old flaming barrage build. D/W are great against Shiro in NF. Mesmers just don't get enough love. Rits get picked up rather often now. Sins rarely get groups but that's because 80% of the people playing them try to tank and end up just being a burden on the party.
i never do shiro anymore because i just dont do factions as much now,plus theres almost never anyone at unwaking from my experience(considering the fact that kuunavang is almost impossible to interrupt anyway)
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Coloneh
seriously kuunavang is one of the easiest interrupts in the game. i can shut her down with a spinal shivers necro. if you cant do it an an interrupt ranger thats kinda sad.
Bowstring Badass
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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex
Because it's bad.
It honestly does... very little, apart from show the rest of your team you're an idiot. I think the skill should be renamed to Avatar of Uselessness or Avatar of Noobs.
It honestly does... very little, apart from show the rest of your team you're an idiot. I think the skill should be renamed to Avatar of Uselessness or Avatar of Noobs.
rick1027
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Originally Posted by Abraxas Fafnir
Not their AoE enchantments, like dust cloak and staggering force. Maybe the guy wanted a mystic sandstorm build.
Also on Paragons, I hardly travel anywhere without my general morgahn and the shouts he produces, but whenever I try to play a Paragon it never works out. the thing this is one area where the ai plays a para better then most players. ive only seen one para use a build to its full potential but the ai does a wonderful job of it
Also on Paragons, I hardly travel anywhere without my general morgahn and the shouts he produces, but whenever I try to play a Paragon it never works out. the thing this is one area where the ai plays a para better then most players. ive only seen one para use a build to its full potential but the ai does a wonderful job of it
Marverick
AI really sucks at Paragons, actually. They don't understand shout chaining at all. Heck they will cast Defensive Anthem while the previous one is still active for whatever reason. And they will use "SYG!" when the previous one is still active just because ONE party member doesn't have it on, and thus leave ~15 seconds where the entire party doesn't have it on.
And to the OP, most PuG Dervishes suck. They get this "OMG I am a 1337 tank" thing and fill their bar with useless tanking skills and crappy damage, which makes them useless. Therefore no one wants them.
Also every PuG Dervish is using Avatar of Balthazar, which is one of the worst Dervish elites, second only to Grenth's Grasp..
I have seen GLF Rit ads recently in areas like Central Transfer Chamber or Imperial Sanctum. Never seen a GLF Sin ad though... GLF Mes ads do occur. Never seen GLF Para ads either.
And to the OP, most PuG Dervishes suck. They get this "OMG I am a 1337 tank" thing and fill their bar with useless tanking skills and crappy damage, which makes them useless. Therefore no one wants them.
Also every PuG Dervish is using Avatar of Balthazar, which is one of the worst Dervish elites, second only to Grenth's Grasp..
I have seen GLF Rit ads recently in areas like Central Transfer Chamber or Imperial Sanctum. Never seen a GLF Sin ad though... GLF Mes ads do occur. Never seen GLF Para ads either.
Str0b0
Lyssa dervishes are dungeon clearing machines. They spike so much it's insane and she's cheap unlike melandru. Yeah condition immunity is nice but in one attack chain I can take out a bunched up back line before they get to put any conditions on me. I also used my EDA build in a couple of dungeons and it went over very well. Everyone likes a little blind spread around liberally. Not all PUG dervishes suck. Team up with me some time and I'll show you.
bungusmaximus
Dervishes are fine for PvE as long as they do enough damage. An AoE melee char, just think about it, every PvE-er's wet dream if you ask me. I didn't have particular bad experiences with dervs tbh.
I only hate griefer tanks in AB :P
I only hate griefer tanks in AB :P
Avarre
What's that?
You can get infinite Avatar of Melandru using PvE skills, allowing immunity to most melee shutdown and constant heavy DPS and deep wound along with high health?
o ok
You can get infinite Avatar of Melandru using PvE skills, allowing immunity to most melee shutdown and constant heavy DPS and deep wound along with high health?
o ok
Stormlord Alex
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Originally Posted by bungusmaximus
An AoE melee char, just think about it, every PvE-er's wet dream if you ask me.
Myeh, not really... Most PvEers hate physicals, hate the idea of physicals as damage-dealers, and generally suck at playing them.
Just look at all the AoB tards with a thousand Earth Prayers, or all the Paras with 3 Spear Mastery.
At least an Ele with triple-Shower and Flare is doing something
Just look at all the AoB tards with a thousand Earth Prayers, or all the Paras with 3 Spear Mastery.
At least an Ele with triple-Shower and Flare is doing something
Tab
People should stop sucking and run SF Dervs imo.
Tyla
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Originally Posted by Coloneh
seriously kuunavang is one of the easiest interrupts in the game. i can shut her down with a spinal shivers necro. if you cant do it an an interrupt ranger thats kinda sad.
and spinal shivers is a hex and you can interrupt lots of times...
it takes more than 1 interrupt you know
it takes more than 1 interrupt you know
iridescentfyre
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Originally Posted by Coloneh
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Originally Posted by Wiki
Kuunavang is resistant to interrupts. It may take two or more consecutive tries to actually interrupt her.
Not saying I personally can't handle Kuunavang as an interrupt ranger, just that its not as easy as it seems like it should be. When you have only 2 seconds and need three interrupts (with only two on your bar), a lot of things just don't get interrupted. Spinal Shivers would be easier, since its possible to have many cold damage hits within the span of her cast times.
Marverick
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Originally Posted by Str0b0
Lyssa dervishes are dungeon clearing machines. They spike so much it's insane and she's cheap unlike melandru. Yeah condition immunity is nice but in one attack chain I can take out a bunched up back line before they get to put any conditions on me. I also used my EDA build in a couple of dungeons and it went over very well. Everyone likes a little blind spread around liberally. Not all PUG dervishes suck. Team up with me some time and I'll show you.
And when you meet the Skeletal Elementalists with their 3-4 per group of 8 and Blinding Surge you'll wish you took AoM.
But yea, for most of the game Melandru isn't that useful, the high energy cost really only pays off when you have excessive (and ONLY excessive) blind or weakness spam. Also Lyssa gives easy +53 Radiant Scythes 
draxynnic
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Originally Posted by Marverick
And when you meet the Skeletal Elementalists with their 3-4 per group of 8 and Blinding Surge you'll wish you took AoM.
But yea, for most of the game Melandru isn't that useful, the high energy cost really only pays off when you have excessive (and ONLY excessive) blind or weakness spam. Also Lyssa gives easy +53 Radiant Scythes
Indeed - for lesser amounts of Blind, you can fall back on Sand Shards. It generally doesn't do as much damage to the target, but affects a larger area, and works on things like block chances as well.Going against Kuunie is generally best off with Daze or a dazelike effect like Spinal Shivers due to the interrupt resistance she has. Str0b0
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Originally Posted by Marverick
And when you meet the Skeletal Elementalists with their 3-4 per group of 8 and Blinding Surge you'll wish you took AoM.
But yea, for most of the game Melandru isn't that useful, the high energy cost really only pays off when you have excessive (and ONLY excessive) blind or weakness spam. Also Lyssa gives easy +53 Radiant Scythes
A competent monk will be able to handle conditions on you with Lyssa. Another thought too. If it bothers you that much to not have a way to handle conditions why not make your secondary necro? Since I rarely find myself using skills from my secondary as a dervish I find you can be almost any secondary without consequence. Dislike all that blind? Take plague touch. 5 e super fast recharge and it removes up to 2 conditions at a time. Or if you want to spend a bit more energy you can do plague sending and hit adjacent foes as well. Granted you sac 10% health but I know that one good Victorious sweep on a single target and that's back. You could also manage conditions with a monk secondary but I like the more offensive touch of the necro plague skills. Kuunavang when I did it with my ranger was before BHA. I think BHA is pretty much standard on an interrupt ranger's bar these days. When I did her though I used Incendiary arrows as my interrupting elite. Sometimes it takes two interrupts to stop Kuunavang so it helps if you can just nail her with whatever and get an interrupt out of her. The recharge time was mitigated by SQ and occasionally QZ if another ranger brought it. It also provided some fairly steady burning damage while you could maintain it.
Coloneh
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Originally Posted by Marverick
Also Lyssa gives easy +53 Radiant Scythes
ANY dervish build can have that. my dwanyay easily reaches max radiant damage every swing.
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